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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:00 AM
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Warren: Obama’s “Preventive Detention” Plan Goes Beyond Bush Admin Policies
I recall a news article posted here on du about a few rights attorneys leaving the meeting upset. Amy Goodman show interviewed one just yesterday.




http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/22/vince_warren


May 22, 2009

Human Rights Attorney Vince Warren: Obama’s “Preventive Detention” Plan Goes Beyond Bush Admin Policies


We get reaction to President Obama and Vice President Dick Cheney’s dueling speeches on torture from Vince Warren, the executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Warren took part in a secret meeting Wednesday between Obama and several human rights groups. Warren says although he welcomes Obama’s willingness to hear critical views, he’s disappointed in Obama’s new support for preventive detention.


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Guest:

Vince Warren, Executive Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights.

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AMY GOODMAN: Vince Warren joins us now. He’s in San Francisco, though he’s usually based in New York, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights. He met with President Obama earlier this week, the day before President Obama gave his speech at the National Archive yesterday.

Vince, welcome to Democracy Now! And start off—well, explain why this meeting that you, representing CCR, and other human rights groups had was supposedly originally a secret meeting. And then, what happened? And where did you meet? Tell us all the details.

VINCENT WARREN: Well, I’m not—still not allowed to talk about the substance of the meeting, but it was a meeting in which we met at the—in the Cabinet Room of the West Wing. And there were a number of high-level officials that were there at the meeting.

And what was sort of shocking about it is we were told that we should not at all talk about the meeting, but right promptly afterwards, the press started calling us, because the White House Press Office told everybody about the meeting.

But it was—in my sense, it was something that President Obama wanted to do to be able to talk and to hear our views, the views of some of the human rights organizations like CCR, and to really embrace his critics, which I think is a wonderful hallmark of this administration.

The problem is that he goes out the next day, and he has a speech in which he not only embraces the opposition, meaning George Bush’s policies, but then he comes out with things that even George Bush didn’t come out with, like preventive detention.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And, Vince, while you’re saying you can’t talk about the substance of the meeting, were you surprised at all, after the meeting you had, about the positions that he took, or did you have at least some indication that this was going to happen beforehand?

VINCENT WARREN: Well, with respect to how I felt about it, the military commissions piece was something that he had come out with earlier than the meeting. And so, the Center had opposed that very vigorously. You know, putting a few due process protections on an old George Bush policy is like rehabbing a house on a toxic waste site. You know, it really didn’t make a whole lot of difference. And you can’t make the military commissions better................
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:06 AM
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1. Disturbing To Me... NEVER Thought Anything Like This Would Happen....
but then again, quite a few things are going on that I THOUGHT would NEVER happen. I'm NOT to state my opinions about what is going on again, but it DOES disturb me and makes me wonder WHY!!!

:shrug: :mad:
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:18 AM
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2. Amen!
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:40 AM
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4. very disturbing to me also.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 04:57 PM
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24. I am not surprised. He's been flip floppinig like a fish out of water for months. n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 10:38 AM
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3. Damn SHAME. K & R nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:10 AM
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5. K & R
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:11 AM
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6. What Plan? When did Obama release a plan?
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:16 AM
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8. He is referring to Pres. Obama's plan for preventive detention.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:29 AM
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10. What plan for it? He said its worst than Bush's. So when was this plan released?
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:34 AM
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11. Guess you best update yourself on the news for the past week.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:44 AM
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13. I'm up on the news. And Obama hasn't released a plan for Preventive Detention
So how can something that hasn't been released or announced be worst than Bush?
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:08 PM
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14. Call it a discussion then. Whatever you want to refer to Obama's
thoughts -and words related to prevention detention is fine with me.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 05:29 PM
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26. No, and that's a term made up by Pres. Obama's critics to further their strawman argument.
Edited on Sun May-24-09 05:31 PM by ClarkUSA
Warren is being intellectually dishonest. Big surprise. His organization probably needs the tax-free donations based on how much publicity he can drum up.


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 05:26 PM
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25. There is no plan yet tho' Pres. Obama said Congress and the courts can examine it when there is one.
Edited on Sun May-24-09 05:27 PM by ClarkUSA
Which is exactly what Feingold said he would do, though I am disappointed that he has announced NO plans to investigate torture under BushCo.



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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:13 AM
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7. Good To See Some Of Us Feel This Way. I Have Never Done A Poll
here, and I really wonder how many are willing to support these decisions that have been made by this administration that are CONTRARY to what I thought they would be.

I'd bet... WE ARE THE MINORITY! And for me, that's also a shame! I heard "plenty" of rage about BFEE and what they did, yet I see many here supporting Obama who seems to be carrying out the same policies!

I would like to think this will CHANGE, but I don't see it right now... what I AM seeing isn't making my heart go "thump, thump" with glee!
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:18 AM
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9. The opposite of what we heard during the campaign...
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 11:43 AM
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12. A troubling issue of how to actually handle this mess, all the talk, words focus on this.
How about just a little mention of how thoughtful the rest of Obama's speech and reasoning about all of this really is, not about something that won't get enacted without Congressional support and discussion.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:48 PM
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17. What makes you think a bi-partisan Congress won't approve "preventive detention"?
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:18 PM
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18. If we don't talk about, it'll all go away!
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 01:46 PM
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19. Just talking about proportion, focus and actual conideration of problem. Not discouraging talking.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:41 PM
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15. I swear there are some people
Edited on Sat May-23-09 12:44 PM by ProSense
trying to confuse the issue so much so that Bush no longer looks like a problem. All the energy will be focused on Obama and nothing will be done to ensure that a Bush administration never happens again.

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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 12:47 PM
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16. good find --- some people's agenda and M.O. here is clear
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 02:35 PM
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20. We'll make sure the focus is
on the bush-cheney fubar.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 03:43 PM
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21. We Should Call This What It Really Is -- Paranoid Detention
The other labels concede the lie that this is "about them" (and their "threat"), rather than the truth that it is about us (and our fear).

Obama has adopted the core bushcheney/beltway paranoia -- about how to treat "evildoers" on both sides of the permanent "war on terra."

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 05:44 PM
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22. Is it safe to come out from under the bed?
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 09:30 PM
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23. as long as there is a war ..
Obama will retain all the executive powers that Bush grabbed.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 05:34 PM
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27. The Bush-Obama Doctrine of preventive detention.
It rolls off the tongue so easily.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:23 AM
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29. unfortunately its does.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 05:42 PM
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28. these people who "can never be tried" will also then never give testimony about Bushco's torture
--how very convenient! We The People WON'T be worked up into a white-hot rage and converge on Washington DC with pitchforks, torches, gallows and guillotines! Obama WON'T have to finally DO HIS DUTY and bring the fucking TRAITORS to justice! It's a win-win for the Obama-Bush change charade. For We The People, not so much.

"people too dangerous" to be brought to trial by conventional means, my ASS. He means, "people too dangerous" to the status quo of treason without consequences.
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