The New Republic: Why Barack Obama is waging a more effective war on terror than George W. Bush

The Cheney Fallacy
by Jack Goldsmith
Why Barack Obama is waging a more effective war on terror than George W. Bush.
The New Republic
May 18, 2009

Former Vice President Cheney says that President Obama's reversal of Bush-era terrorism policies endangers American security. The Obama administration, he charges, has "moved to take down a lot of those policies we put in place that kept the nation safe for nearly eight years from a follow-on terrorist attack like 9/11."

Many people think Cheney is scare-mongering and owes President Obama his support or at least his silence. But there is a different problem with Cheney's criticisms: his premise that the Obama administration has reversed Bush-era policies is largely wrong. The truth is closer to the opposite: The new administration has copied most of the Bush program, has expanded some of it, and has narrowed only a bit. Almost all of the Obama changes have been at the level of packaging, argumentation, symbol, and rhetoric.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1e733cac-c273-48e5-9140-80443ed1f5e2

Do you also write movie reviews on films you haven't seen?

It is an article in support of President Obama's policies.

We got the memo from rachel last week. obama=bush

okay..got it

:eyes:


:thumbsdown:

<<President Obama has announced that he is closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. By itself, this is not a departure from the Bush >>

"By itself, this is not a departure from the Bush administration, which also stated a desire to close GTMO."

That's true.

Everyone knows that the Bush government also announced its intention to close Gitmo so I don't understand your point.

The statement continued:

"The new administration is implementing this policy with greater vigor, however, and is seriously considering bringing terrorist detainees to the United States. Congress and our allies are throwing up roadblocks to these efforts. Even if the administration overcomes them, closing GTMO may have no material impact on U.S. detention practice. Because the Supreme Court has ruled that habeas corpus rights extend to detainees on the island, the detainees will likely receive no more rights on U.S. soil than in Cuba. The real question is not where the detainees are located, but rather the basis for their detention. On this issue, as explained below, the new president is swimming close to the old one."

And if he did happen to make some vague comment about it sometime or other, who(m) among us actually believed that if he and Cheney could serve another 4 years or if McCain/Palin got elected, they would be doing exactly what Obama is doing?

:shrug:

Wikipedia bio on Jack Goldsmith: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Goldsmith
His TNR bio at the end of this bullshit op-ed: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1e733cac-c273-48e5-9140-80443ed1f5e2&p=4

While you're at it please indicate what parts of the article, if any, you disagree with and why if you can.

If you disagree with the writer and believe that George W. Bush was doing a more effective job than President Obama in fighting terrorism please indicate why.

I'm listening!

NYT conservative op-ed columnist David Brooks and WaPo conservative op-ed columnist George Will were parroting the same talking points as Goldsmith does in the OP. So were the conservatives on MTP this morning. Gee, I guess it's all a coincidence. :eyes:

on this issue?

How does this article help Richard Cheney and how does it hurt Obama's effort to obtain bi-partisan support for his anti-terrorism policies?

Now please post something that deals with this in a serious manner rather than meaningless and empty political rhetoric.

Now please post something that is not a conservative's RNC-spun Obama=Bush hitpiece rather than helping to perpetuate meaningless and empty wingnut memes against our Democratic president.

Now that's just plane nutty!

Is that the very best spin you can put on the article and do you honestly believe that?

Sorry, but you're all by yourself, unless you can cite liberal/progressive credible sources, with the links, that support your desperate and weak political spin on this article.

Links please!

Obama is facing. Put yourself in his shoes with the weight of the world and really say purity upheld over all else.

You'll argue with me, but I'm leaving to try to stop electronic voting in NYS, truly indemocratic.

It's basic to being a loyal and patriotic American.

Do you also think that the quest for racial and sexual equality is also some old-fashioned quaint notion that ought to be abandon by President Obama?

Let's be absolutely clear and intellectually honest on the question of civil, human and democratic rights.

Looking for clever "legal" ways to undermine and subvert those rights represents a betrayal of what this nation supposedly stands for and is a slippery sloop toward tyranny.