Can't trust the government but the government should run health care?

According to a very vocal segment of people here, the government is nothing but a huge "imperialistic empire" and our president is controlled by "his corporate handlers."

Over and over they complain that the government and the president can't be trusted. They work for Wall Street, they work for big Pharma, Obama is "Bush-lite," nothing has changed, they're all corrupt, all politicians are the same, there is no difference between the political parties, the evil DLC is really in control, Obama is secretly a right-winger, we have a "placebo presidency," Obama hates gay people, Congress is a failure, Obama is a failure, there is no hope, etc.

Yet they turn around and demand that our health care system should be turned over to the government, the same government they loudly and constantly state cannot be trusted under any circumstance whatsoever!

Am I the only one who sees a contradiction here?

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EDIT: I should have made it clear I am NOT against single-payer health care, I'm just talking about what I see as hypocrisy by some of the constant critics of President Obama and the Democratic controlled Congress. I know that despite my clarification some are still going to miss my point, but que sera, sera!

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they just don't know it.

saying things about the corporations running the government and the associated aristocracy that, without Beck's voice, could have been word for word on DU. Then he went on to his racist crap so it did not last long.

I think that's where your theory breaks down.

But you knew that already, didn't you?

That's worked out spectacularly well! :sarcasm:

At least w/ a govt run health plan YOU HAVE SOME SAY IN HOW IT'S RUN!

n/t

if I'm going to get a traffic light at the corner? Or the latest raise the cops got?

Or...

that's how Medicare and Medicaid is done now, extend that coverage to all.

willful ignorance.

determine what is and what isn't covered? It doesn't determine how much the doctor/hospital is paid? Doctors and patients don't need to get approval from the government for certain procedures under Medicare/Medicaid?

I didn't know that!

It cost $30,000 but a letter I got from them said they've paid only $11,000 of it. I'm scared. LOL

fucking crooks.

My wife has Medicare and it works just fine for her, including replacement of both knees, which cost us nothing, and was done by our doctor in his choice of operating/recovery sites.

I have State government backed health insurance, and it is better coverage than the insurance I had when I was working.

Don't believe all you hear about "government is bad" - that is mainly RW bullshit, spread by Republican politicians who all have Government healthcare...... and Government pensions, and Government paychecks, and lots of cash from the private insurers.

mark

I have a lot more trust in my elected representatives, as a group, than insurance executives, who are responsible to their shareholders first and insurees some time after that, with my health.

way up in the works somewhere, there's a bureaucracy making decisions about that school. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. You know there are bad things happening here and there, and you are very vocal about iot as a parent. There are administrative bothers, and problems with curriculum, and oh, boy, not enough physical education. You get a little worked up about it, cuz it's your kid, your neighborhood, your tax money.

But do you ever say CLOSE THE SCHOOLS DOWN, THEY DON"T WORK!

no. You yell and scream and attend PTA meetings where you yell and scream, becasue you want those knuckleheads who run things to do it right.

That's all we want from a healthcare system. One of our own, that we can yell and scream about until we get it right.

Healthcare for all should be no more unusual an American institution than our public schools. We need them both. We're not a bunch of frontier hicks reading books by the fire anymore.

you think they are going to listen to you?

We won't get another chance.

We want the doctor's and nurses to run health care, which they can't do as long as private insurance companies foot the bill and tell patients who and what is convered and who and what is not.

You have plenty of retired folks down there that can spell out the difference for you between medicare (single payer) and private health insurance.

Why not here. As someone on medicare (run by the government) I think they do a pretty good job.

Those who complain that the government/Obama/whoever all else are corporatists/run by corporations are arguing that the Government will never provide an alternative system to the Corporate one already in place. If the Government began running Health Care, then it would be a blow against the Corporate Interests... and would actually "prove" that they were wrong about Obama and his Corporate masters.
Until that happens, however, their theory may have some merit.

The Don't Trust The Government theorists, on the other hand, tend to be referring to matters in which the Government likes to claim National Security Interests in order to keep things Secret. That probably includes Shadow Government Ops, Black Ops, Wet Work, Public Mind Control Ops (like 9/11)... and whatever other theories might be deemed to be too sensitive to trust to a standard PR firm. Again, these people will not see Government Run Healthcare to be a blow against the Shadow Government and its various Covert Ops... and until they get what they want they will also continue to theorize about why in their special way.

In other words, you are playing one suspicion against the other... rather than remaining within either of the two vaguely internally consistent points of view.

It was neatly done though.

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