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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:30 AM
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I don't know all the information about the voter intimidation suit
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:44 AM by firedupdem
that the Obama administration tossed out. I will say this. When people are posting Michelle Malkin links to prove some misguided point, it's getting ridiculous.

The nursing home where the incident happened is in a black neighborhood. I don't think many people in that area needed to be intimidated into voting for the current President. :eyes:

Before the RW talking points start getting pushed here, we may want to gather a little more information. I just talked to a friend from that area who is searching for articles but thinks she remembers that the nut they are showing with the stick wasn't even an Obama supporter! He's some nutjob.

Also, what the hell was Fox doing there filming if it wasn't just to stir some shit? Why wasn't the guy arrested on the spot?

In 2005, when I lived in Detroit, the GOP sent many people into predominantly black area's to harass people. Was it a misguided attempt to get rid of some McCain people dispatched to harass the folks voting? What the hell were they doing there? Why would this guy need to intimidate black people on November 4th. Something stinks.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Panther_vs_Obama.html



I'd been a bit skeptical of the reports that the Black Panthers were out intimidating voters on Obama's behalf, largely because the precinct is in the city's northern 14th Ward, which went (.pdf) overwhelmingly -- more than 95% -- for John Kerry in 2004. You don't typically intimidate your own voters.

But a reader sends over a link to clinch the deal: The Panther in question appears to be one King Shamir Shabazz -- and he's no Obama supporter.

" is a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster," he told the Philadelphia Daily News a few days ago, one of the least crazy things he said amid some straightforwardly racist riffs.

The video is a little grainy, but it sure looks a lot like him, down to the position of the button on his beret. And it's not like there are actually a whole lot of Panthers around these days.

So what was he doing there with his nightstick? Trying to intimidate Obama voters? Just hanging around? There isn't actually any evidence that he tried to chase away any of the ward's (overwhelmingly black) voters.

UPDATE: A reader, defending the honor of the original Black Panther Party, notes that this is the New Black Panther Party, which isn't directly connected to the original group.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:34 AM
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1. TPM report
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_scene_dispu.php



Fox News and other conservatives on the Web are pushing hard on the story that two black panthers may be intimidating voters at a polling place in north Philadelphia.

But an Obama campaign volunteer who's been on the scene since 6:30 AM this morning tells me in a phone interview that there's been absolutely no intimidation of voters at all today. And a Pennsylvania spokesperson for Obama said the two men aren't in any way affiliated with the campaign.

Fox News' story is right here. It says one of two black panthers on the scene was "allegedly blocking the door," says another was "holding a nightstick." and adds that "the concern was that they were intimidating people who were trying to go inside to vote."

But Jacqueline Dischell, the Obama volunteer, tells me by phone that that's false.


Dischell confirms that there were in fact two black panthers guarding the polling place, a nursing home on Fairmont Avenue in north Philadelphia, earlier this morning.

But she says one was an officially designated poll watcher (it was not immediately clear which municipal office had designated him in that role), and the second was his friend. The second panther, who left two or three hours ago, was the one with the nightstick, she says.

Dischell says that earlier this morning a few men who identified themselves as being from the McCain campaign came and started taking pictures of the two panthers on their cell phones. She suggested that they seemed to be baiting the panthers, and that the designated watcher may have given one of them the finger in response to the picture taking.


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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:36 AM
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2. Whether he was a McCain guy or a crazy guy
shouldn't he have been arrested if he was yelling at people and brandishing a stick outside a voting place and wouldn't stop. Who cares who he was supporting.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:38 AM
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3. Exactly? Why wasn't he? There's more to this story and I won't
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:41 AM by firedupdem
listen to Fox and Michelle Malkin's spin to figure it out. I didn't read anywhere that he was yelling at people, but if he was, why did the police drive by and do nothing. According to one report he was asked to leave and did. What's the real story?

I'll tell you what it's not....He wasn't dispatched by Obama and Acorn to intimidate voters. :eyes:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:05 AM
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4. Look, firedup we all know how terrifying black men are.
So you can just imagine the shock and HORROR of two, count'em, TWO of them showing up at ONE voting station in Philadelphia (which went for Obama in a landslide) and the ensuing panic that set into the good folks of Philly and quickly spread nation-wide.

When Fox reported this story on election day, I laughed. Out loud.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:39 AM
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10. Yeah! And they were in "paramilitary gear"!!!11!!1!!
I'm trying to picture the FOX news staff drawing straws for who has to go cover that story...
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:51 AM
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14. I missed this but wondered why in the hell there would be
voter intimidation in a black neighborhood, by a black person, but there would be no victims...

Then we have snowdays pushing michelle malkin? WTF?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:11 PM
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21. Another issue you just brought up...
Where are the victims of the intimidation? LOL!

the RW and racists pushing this shit are so transparent!
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SamCooke Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:26 AM
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5. Wasn't this in one neighborhood in Pa? Lets tally up the votes without Pa
Yep, Obama still has over 300EV
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:22 AM
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6. Here's some info on that jackass who claims there was "intimidation"

Former RFK aide Bartle Bull rallies for John McCain Saturday in Manhattan.


In blistering remarks to a Saturday morning rally, former Robert F. Kennedy aide Bartle Bull embraced Republican John McCain for president, hurled Barack Obama under the bus, and then backed it slowly over the Democratic nominee.

“America needs a president who is grounded in patriotism, not drowning in ambition,” Bull told a crowd of 150 gathered in Lower Manhattan. “I have used that sentence many times in the last three months, and not once — never once — have I been asked which candidate is which.”

The lifelong activist and former Village Voice publisher presented his impeccable liberal-Democrat credentials.

“I had the privilege of serving as Robert F. Kennedy’s New York campaign manager when he ran for president in 1968,” Bull explained. “I was arrested as a civil-rights lawyer in Mississippi, and I campaigned for the Equal Rights Amendment. But in honest conscience, I cannot support the Democratic ticket in this campaign.”

Bull aimed at his target and charged like a longhorn.

“Character in the White House should be more important than charisma on the campaign trail,” Bull declared. “Barack Obama does not want to ‘change’ America. Barack Obama wants a different country.”

Turning to Obama’s financial agenda, Bull minced no words.

“Obama’s notion of economic fairness is pure Karl Marx,” Bull said, “plus a pocketful of Chicago-style ‘community organization.’”


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWNmZDQ4MWE2OTFkOGZlMThmZDJkMWNhNDdhY2UzMWI%3D
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:10 AM
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8. Boy! He is some piece of work!. . . . . . . . n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:46 AM
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12. Looks like another Norm Coleman
Edited on Sun May-31-09 08:46 AM by AllentownJake
Was it ambition, bitterness that he didn't go anywhere in the party, or pure greed that made him turn against the people he once supported so vigorously?

President Obama's economic policies are tame compared to those of the current President. This guy knows that so it has to be one of the above.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:52 AM
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15. you mean he's not a civil rights activist? n/t
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:31 AM
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20. There's surprisingly
little information about this guy, that doesn't come from himself. This paragon of the civil rights movement doesn't even rate a Wiki entry. He's a footnote on his son's Wiki page, a son who shares the same name as his father.

Combined they generate almost 17,000 Google returns. That's with both of them (father & son) being published fictional authors, and the son being a journalist.


I think the only people who consider Bartle Bull to be a "longtime civil rights activist" are Bartle Bull and the right-wingers.

The Village Voice is not very impressed with their former owner.


http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/11/bartles_bull_ol.php


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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:26 PM
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23. Thanks for posting that! "Less than impressed" definitely describes how the Voice feels about Bull
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:16 AM
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7. This is all about making monsters of ACORN
which was started by a campaign that I find it hard to forgive and continued by its most extreme supporters. They call the 70 million who voted for Barack Obama "Obots", I refer to them as bigotbots, they know themselves as some relation of wildcats, it may be some form of cougar. ;-)

The GOP are actually NOT therefore the only ones guilty on this issue. They are joined by a bunch of bitter bigots who they now associate with. They have been running with this story on their various hate sites and have been trying to link this incident with ACORNS involvement with the Census.

Here is just one of the attempts of the Right Bigoted Rev Amy attempting to link the two stories.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/30/what-an-acorn-spokesman-lied-and-justice-not-served/

There are many more examples.

These stories owe more to attempts to cast doubt on the election wins of Barack Obama than ACORN themselves. A group who have been much maligned as a result of these attempts, their haters have accused them of everything from voter fraud to being responsible for the recession.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:36 AM
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9. I wrote an OP about them as it was happening.
I think some folks have never been near the projects, and that they can't understand how invested in this election people were.
And some think that "paramilitary gear" is spooky!

That Philly thing that's circulating, guys with a nightstick.

Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 01:50 PM by NYC_SKP
I don't call it intimidation for the two black dudes to stand in front of the polling place, bad judgement maybe, but they were not talking to voters and the white dude with the cell phone video pretty much started to challenge them. I'm talking about the same video on youtube, the audio of which is on Rush's radio show. They seem like peaceful residences of the housing complex who are not disrupting anything (unless you're intimidated by black men standing on the sidewalk.)

But, When did breitbart become a haven for David Duke types and freepers?

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=213313&comments=1#comments

The comments are outrageous.Text


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7757001

And I stand by my interpretation.

There was no case against them, dropping charges was the right thing to do.

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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:48 AM
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13. I agree with your posts
The Rethugs were and are remain a Party of voter intimidation. They took this on their own to send a message not this time. It may not have been wise, but with continued reports that voting lines in Democratic areas stretched back for 4 hours it should be obvious to see why they thought it was necessary.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:15 AM
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17. Thanks for this....I knew there was something going on with this
story being pushed here, especially when I googled it and nothing but racist garbage came up!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:24 AM
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18. Did you read the replies in the old post?
By DU members?

I mean, fine, I guess a stick is a weapon, and I guess the attire may be too easily associated with the scary pictures of black panthers of the old days, dudes carried shotguns in public in Oakland!

But it smacks of unreasonable fear by people who don't spend much time in the poor parts of big cities.

The guy with the stick was a friend of a poll watcher, and was escorted away by police.

Both guys were very calm in the way they spoke, if anyone watched the video.

And both were, I think, doing what they thought was their duty, to make voters feel comfortable and protected in going to vote (I doubt many white people were going to that polling place) so who would they be intimidating?

I was waiting for this case to be posted, thanks for the OP!

:loveya:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:30 AM
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19. I was just reading through them.....
I guess I was too busy celebrating to notice the story when it first happened. Once this was posted...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8442033

I knew something was wrong. Once I googled it, nothing but racist craziness came up. Once I read fox was on the scene, I knew it was a big set up. Thanks for your post!!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:44 AM
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11. He was probably paid by the McCain campaign or the RNC
This type of shit sounds too convenient.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:53 AM
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16. Exactly... n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:40 PM
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22. There's shit trying to be stirred up
here about Intimidation to vote for Obama?!!

:wtf:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:12 PM
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24. Great post, thanks for this.
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