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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:08 PM
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LAT: Obama Walks a Fine Line Over Mining
Disappointing.
Obama walks a fine line over mining



Environmentalists feel betrayed by the EPA's decision not to block new mountaintop mining projects.

By Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten

May 31, 2009

Reporting from Washington — With the election of President Obama, environmentalists had expected to see the end of the "Appalachian apocalypse," their name for exposing coal deposits by blowing the tops off whole mountains.

But in recent weeks, the administration has quietly made a decision to open the way for at least two dozen more mountaintop removals.

In a letter this month to a coal ally, Rep. Nick J. Rahall II (D-W.Va.), the Environmental Protection Agency said it would not block dozens of "surface mining" projects. The list included some controversial mountaintop mines.

The industry says the practice of using explosives to blast away a peak is safer and more efficient than traditional shaft mining. But critics say the process scars the landscape and dumps tons of waste -- some of it toxic -- into streams and valleys.

The administration's decision is not the final word on the projects or the future of mountaintop removal. But the letter, coupled with the light it sheds on relations between the mining industry and the Obama White House, has disappointed environmentalists. Some say they feel betrayed by a president they thought would end or sharply limit the practice.

The issue is politically sensitive because environmentalists were an active force behind Obama's election, and the president's standing is tenuous among Democratic voters in coal states. West Virginia, for example, voted for George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election largely because Democrat Al Gore was critical of the coal industry.

Moreover, Obama needs support from local lawmakers for an energy agenda that would further regulate home-state industries, but halting mountaintop mining could eliminate jobs and put upward pressure on energy prices in a time of economic hardship.

Coal advocates have solicited help from officials as high up as White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. And the issue has sparked contentious debates within the administration, including one shouting match in which top officials from two government agencies were heard pounding their fists on the table, according to sources briefed on the meeting who requested anonymity when discussing White House dealings.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mountaintop-mining31-2009may31,0,7589633.story






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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:12 PM
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1. Disappointing, yes...surprising? No.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:13 PM
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2. The only good news here:
'one shouting match in which top officials from two government agencies were heard pounding their fists on the table'
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:05 PM
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21. doesn't matter as the WH gave its OK to blow more mountaintops off.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:48 PM
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25. IMO its 'good' news because
it suggests disagreement w/in WH. If we're lucky, more chapters ahead.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:07 PM
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27. I see your point. Would be interesting to say the least to
be a fly on the ceiling.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:14 PM
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31. Yes, indeed!
There are SO MANY players in the coal game, I'm not at all optimistic that it will happen soon or easily.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:13 PM
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3. Actually, it makes me angry. nt
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:18 PM
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4. Me, too.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:24 PM
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19. Yeah, it made me angry when Clinton did it but fortunately Team O hasn't made a final decision yet
Edited on Sun May-31-09 04:34 PM by ClarkUSA
And since Hillary refused to say she would stop mountaintop removal when directly asked last year, which made me angry (and you too, I'll bet), it's good to know that President Obama, who came out against mountaintop removal, is at least wrestling via his cabinet on what to do on this complex issue that will balance environmental aims with the economic conditions in some of the poorest states in the nation during the worst downturn since the Great Depression.

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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:34 PM
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5. It is disappointing and sad. I had hoped for more. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:10 PM
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6. Threads like this just drop like rocks, don't they? No Frenchie Cat or Jackeens to keep them going.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:14 PM
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7. Remember when Obama said 'keeping your promise' was a legitimate criticism in LA last week.
The protesters there were referring to the repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' as well as marriage equality.

I intend to hold his feet to the fire when necessary.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:50 PM
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10. Ouch. Kick.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 03:03 PM by Jackeens
:-)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:18 PM
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13. They aren't the only ones who keep
threads going. There will be the usual ones who jump on to say how not surprised they are and there will be the ones who appreciate the heads up for where the attention needs to go.

http://www.whitehouse.gov
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:52 PM
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20. I doubt any of the other candidates - Clinton, Edwards, etc. would have
done this any differently. I'll tell you why...

WVA is a swing state. JFK fought for it against Stevenson tooth and nail in '60. One of the FIRST things the GWBush admin did was work on coal mining issues to secure that state for '04. One of the FIRST.

This is where we have to press Democratic leaders, hard.

But this is a case where Prez Obama is just towing the line. It's disappointing.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:22 PM
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8. I'm glad a final decision hasn't been made and hopefully the
environmentalists will be heard. Sounds like they are still fighting it out....that's a good sign.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:38 PM
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16. Also, they turned down 6 project requests so far with 151 still in pending review.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 03:39 PM by ClarkUSA
Bush would've approved them all without a review, so this is still a positive change from what we've had before. And since Hillary never said she'd stop mountaintop removal when she was asked directly about it last year, I consider Team O's intra-WH conflicts about this issue to be a good sign of Pres. Obama's commitment to balance his campaign promises with the economic realities of some of the poorest states in the country which we might not have had if she or McCain had won the presidency.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:09 PM
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22. Turned down 6 out of 48. Approved 42.
But after the EPA's initial announcement in March that it would conduct aggressive reviews, Manchin and Rahall took the coal industry's concerns to White House officials, including Emanuel and Nancy Sutley, who heads the Council on Environmental Quality.

Manchin said he told the White House that "we are looking for a balance between the environment and the economy, and they assured me that they will work with us to find that balance."

Environmentalists were stunned to learn from Rahall's office May 15 that the EPA had given its blessing to 42 out of the 48 mine projects it had reviewed so far -- including two dozen mountaintop removals.

The news came in a letter to Rahall from Michael Shapiro, the EPA's acting assistant administrator, who wrote, "I understand the importance of coal mining in Appalachia for jobs, the economy, and meeting the nation's energy needs."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mountaintop-mining31-2009may31,0,7589633.story



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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:57 PM
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26. Out of which 24 are mountaintop removals. 151 still pending. No final decisions yet.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 07:01 PM by ClarkUSA

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:47 PM
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9. "The administration's decision is not the final word on the projects..."
"... or the future of mountaintop removal."

The White House is "searching for a way to walk this tightrope," said Phil Smith, a spokesman for the United Mine Workers of America. "They have a large constituency of people who want to see an immediate end to mountaintop removal, and an equally large constituency . . . whose communities depend on those jobs."


The fact is that coal as an energy source is not going to leave overnight. It's time for people to get their expectations back to planet earth.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:46 PM
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18. Considering mountaintop removal has been done under both Presidents Clinton and Bush...
I agree with you. At least the Obama administration is not rubber-stamping projects like BushCo.



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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:01 PM
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11. so they made this decision after meeting with coal companies
the article doesn't say if they discussed it with environmentalists as well. It seems like the environmentalists were shut out.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:07 PM
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12. Not surprising at all. Every day it seems as if another betrayal comes from O

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:28 PM
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14. oh please. they've been nothing but great on environmental issues
Whine when you don't get EVERYTHING you want. Then the so called, feel betrayed bullshit.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:33 PM
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15. Not surprising at all: That's been the theme of all of your OPs and replies since he was elected.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 04:22 PM by ClarkUSA
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:45 PM
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17. How petty
are your little snipes since the Inauguration..

Petty Petty Petty Petty...ad infinitum, Petty.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:41 PM
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24. Perhaps not completely surprising but heartbreaking nevertheless. nt
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:18 PM
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23. No surprise. Just more fuckin flim-flam. Fuck the earth. nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:09 PM
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28. Now it's okayed because other candidates allegedly wouldn't have
stopped ruining the area either. Do you know how damaging this is to the other people in the region just so some coal owner can make more money while defying every regulation he can get away with ignoring?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:12 PM
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29. Damn.
That sucks.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:14 PM
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30. Its beyond disappointing. Looking at those pics is heartbreaking and
it must be horrible for folks to live in the areas of toxic sludge.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:32 PM
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32.  “We All Live in the Coal Fields”: West Virginians Step Up Protests as EPA OKs New Mountaintop Remov
amy did a show on this Friday in case you missed.





http://i4.democracynow.org/2009/5/29/coal


“We All Live in the Coal Fields”: West Virginians Step Up Protests as EPA OKs New Mountaintop Removal
Mountain-web

At least thirty people were arrested in West Virginia Saturday as protesters marked a new phase of Operation Appalachian Spring, a campaign to end mountaintop removal mining. The protests came just a week after the Obama administration gave the green light for forty-two more mountaintop removal permits in a major victory for the coal industry. We speak to journalist Jeff Biggers, author of the book United States of Appalachia: How Southern Mountaineers Brought Independence, Culture and Enlightenment to America. Biggers says mountaintop removal is a national issue, not a local one, as many perceive.



AMY GOODMAN: What about media coverage, Jeff Biggers, of Appalachia?

JEFF BIGGERS: Media coverage. You know, this is something that I’m just not quite sure what’s going on. You know, here you have one of the most egregious environmental and human rights violations right before our very eyes. You have little communities in West Virginia, a little town outside called Prenter, where 97 percent of the people have some sort of gallbladder disease. You have Americans who cannot drink their water. You have people who are living under daily explosions and silica dust coming into their gardens and their farms. People are having to be relocated and removed. And yet the mainstream media is not handling it. They’re just sort of acting as if this is something that can wait, that something—that it’s not really an urgent issue.
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