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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 01:11 PM
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Proposed Constitutional Amendments - yes or no
Can anyone advise me on what a leftwing, pro-peace, progressive, union-supporting liberal should be voting on the constitutional amendments?

No. 1, campaign financing
No. 2, homestead tax for deployed military (I'm inclined to "no", as I'm against the wars)
No. 4, comprehensive land use
No. 5, legislative redistricting
No. 6, congressional redistricting
No. 8, class size

State Referendum, balancing federal budget
County Referendum (Seminole County), school capital outlay sales tax
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 02:19 PM
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1. Regarding the Florida Amendments on the 2010 ballot:
The short answer is NO on 1 and 8. YES on all the others.



Amendments' descriptions here, and Howard Troxler knows the score.

(3, 7 and 9 were removed from ballot)



Amendment 1 repeals Florida's system of public financing for statewide elections, created in the 1980s and put in the Constitution by the voters in 1998. Candidates for governor and the state Cabinet got $11.1 million in the last statewide cycle in 2006.

The original, reformist idea was to level the playing field against big money. But leaders of the Legislature call it "welfare for politicians." They have made it tougher to get the money in recent years, and now hope the voters will kill it altogether.



My opinion on Amendment 1: Budgeting for, and enforcing publicly-financed elections is the only answer that will put an end to the rampant and secretive spending of billions by unknown, including foreign, entities to influence our elections. Republicans vilify this idea of publicly-financed elections as "welfare for politicians". What they want in its place is the unfettered ability for shadowy, private billionaires to buy off our elections, which is devastating to our democracy. Of course, Republicans want a 'yes' on Amendment 1.



Amendment 2 gives an increased homestead tax exemption (meaning, they have to possess one already) to members of the military and reserves deployed outside the United States. The additional tax break would be based on the number of days of the year they were out of the country.




Amendment 4 is better known as "Hometown Democracy" and might be the fight of the year. Placed on the ballot by petition, it says voters should have final say over amendments to city and county "comprehensive plans," which control growth.



Amendments 5 and 6 also were put on the ballot by citizen petition. Their stated goal is "fair districts" for the Legislature and Congress, saying that districts should not be drawn by the Legislature to "favor or disfavor" one party or incumbent. Opponents say (among other things) that this is impossible to achieve and will automatically throw redistricting into the courts.



Amendment 8 is the Legislature's attempt to change the rules for public school class sizes in Florida that were approved by voters in 2002. The amendment would return to using schoolwide average class sizes instead of a strict per-classroom limit.



My opinion on Amendment 8: This is yet another attempt by the Republican-controlled legislature to water down the voters' desire for smaller class sizes. This has been one of Jeb Bush's "devious plans" since the 1990s. He has never given this obsession up.

Using the 'class average' concept would mean that there could be a class of relatively few students and another class of overflow capacity, that when averaged, you'd think both classes would have an acceptable number of students. Averaging class size numbers is the Republicans' way to hide evidence of larger classes from the public. Of course, the Republicans want a 'yes' on Amendment 8.




Again, the short answer is NO on 1 and 8. YES on all the others.




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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:23 PM
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2. Seafan, Thanks For ALL Your Help Regarding Florida Politics! You've Been
doing such a great job. Just got my absentees today and this is very helpful. I'm still trying to figure out a way to KEEP RUBIO from winning, but MSM and a lot of local news here is depressing me!

I think many already know how I'm voting along with many of my friends and family, but I'm hearing from local stations that Crist is performing "horribly" at the debates. I haven't watched them because my bottom line is to stop RUBIO and I don't feel Meek has been strong enough and remains in THIRD place!

It's just SUCKS!
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-10 05:02 AM
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3. you're giving me great advice here
Edited on Fri Oct-08-10 05:03 AM by ngant17
for making the correct choices on all those amendments. Predictably, the rightwing was airing some local radio ads yesterday, attacking the redistricting amendments as part of a "liberal" agenda. Anytime these conservative repugs are saying vote "no", you can bet I'll be automatically voting "yes" on Amendments 5 and 6.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:27 PM
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4. 21 ESE Pre School Kids?
I am "technically" a 1:1 Pre School ESE TA. Last year we had one teacher and one aide in a class of 18 special needs 3 year olds. It was, to put it bluntly, INSANE in that class. I ended up ignoring my CP child and helping out with all the other kids with their behavior, toileting, etc., issues. I cannot even imagine raising the class size of ESE 3 year olds to 21 kids and only ONE ASSISTANT.








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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 10:48 AM
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6. This is very helpful, thank you, nt
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 06:46 AM
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9. not sure I agree with Amendment 2
"outside the U.S."

That would include service members stationed in Germany, England, Japan, etc.

I was stationed in Germany for 3 years. I simply cannot justify an increased exemption for this assignment. I would give up my primary exemption to be able to do that again.

War zone? That would be a different story.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:08 AM
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10. The League of Women Voters in Florida opposes this amendment.
Amendment 2: Homestead ad valorem tax credit for deployed military personnel OPPOSE

The League believes no tax sources or revenues should be specified, limited, exempted, or prohibited in the Constitution.

http://www.lwvfla.org/pdf_files/2010%20Positions.pdf
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 04:57 PM
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16. Talked to an "elective" teacher today. The class size Amendment only works
for the core subjects, not for the electives. Result? Electives will now have an average of 50 to 80 students per class. The elective classes are very important too.

Why are so many amendments so half assed with no thought for the possible negative effects?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:51 AM
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5. NO on 1, 2 and 8--the Florida Legislature's amendments. YES on 4, 5, and 6.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 08:51 AM by flpoljunkie
Leave it to the Republican legislature to attempt to repeal public financing of their rotten campaigns-financed by developers and every business special interest in the country. The Chamber of Commerce is backing Republicans exclusively for Governor, Attorney General, CFO and Ag Commissioner. That tells me all I need to know.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:46 AM
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7. Kick. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:58 PM
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8. Link to the League of Women Voters of Florida Positions on the Amendments
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 11:06 AM
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11. Kick. n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:22 PM
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12. Kick. n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 02:47 PM
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13. Thanks for the info Seafan.



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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:38 PM
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14. Kick. n/t
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:33 AM
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15. Thanks Seafan
I'm going to vote in 1/2 hour

I love voting Election Day :)

Straight Democratic Ticket today - I can't wait to see the results and hopefully all of the pundits are wrong!!!
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