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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:15 PM
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Do you endorse strategic voting?
I vote Liberal,but the polls here in Saskatchewan put them in a distant third. If the NDP and Cons keep neck and neck,I'll probably vote NDP. I don't like it,but for the first time in my life it seems prudent.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:43 PM
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1. Absolutely, when necessary
My riding is currently faux Con and my intent is to vote for whichever party candidate has the greatest chance of defeating the faux Cons and that happens to be NDP. If it were the Liberals, I would be voting for them.

Voting one's heart is a luxury at times, imo, and much as I would like to always do that, as long as the faux Cons are around and are close to getting the numbers needed to form the government, I will vote strategically to keep them out.
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Mother Jones Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:07 AM
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4. Ditto....

And may I add that I am envious the NDP are so close to winning in your riding!


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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:22 PM
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5. Yes, it is great! The faux Cons have held this riding since the
faux Cons were called Reform. The current MP is not running again plus the NDP candidate that almost beat him last election is more well-known while the new faux Con candidate isn't so it sure looks good this time!
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:08 AM
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2. Then Why vote...?
You've given a compelling argument against voting, not much of an argument for 'strategic voting'

A strategic vote implies you want something in compensation for voting against conviction?

I know...it's hard to figure out why the election is so low key and so far pointless.

(Did I read this right; The Liberals want to ban handguns?!??...hard to tell the 'law and order' party from the 'tough on crime' faction...I am confused)
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:26 AM
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3. I'd rather have an NDP MP than a Con.
Like a million times more.
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V. Kid Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:17 PM
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7. Hehe look at this....
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 07:18 PM by V. Kid
...From the Liberal...er Toronto Star no less:


If I were running, I'd make all crime illegal

To my mind, the law doesn't go far enough. What he should do is bring in a law that — and this is the language I would use if I were drafting the legislation — "really, really, really" bans handguns.

But now that I think about it, even that's not enough. If you're going to announce plans to do things that are more or less already done, won't you look more ambitious if you announce plans to do even more things that are more or less already done? I mean, it's not like it's going to involve any more heavy lifting.

Think about it. Who would you rather vote for? A guy with one great idea that's already been implemented or a guy with a hundred ideas that have already been implemented?



So we listen when a politician says: "I'm going to make it illegal for kids to run around with handguns!" Especially if he or she says it with lots of bluster and outrage. We think, whoa, that's a good idea. Why hasn't someone thought of that before?

Now, let's suppose this politician's opponent says: "Uh, excuse me, but we already have laws on the books to deal with kids running around with handguns. What if we just enforced them for a change?" Sounds pretty namby-pamby, doesn't it? Who wants to vote for someone who's reasonable? Would you rather have one law making murder illegal, or half a dozen of them?

(If you and your opponent both support the death penalty, the only way to win is to come out in favour of hanging offenders twice.)



http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1134038830093&call_pageid=970599109774&col=Columnist969907619599
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:43 PM
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9. Before you get a handgun, you should have to pass a psychological exam,
to see how crazy you are. A simple test, with just one question: "Do you want to buy a handgun?" If you answer yes, then you fail the sanity test.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:39 PM
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6. The NDP beats the Cons any day in my view. nt
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:25 PM
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8. Until I can vote for "None of the Above"...
You betcha.

My reasons for choosing whom I vote for are my reasons alone. As are those of anyone who disagrees with me.

Live and let live.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:45 PM
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10. You owe us a vote...
Last election, out of fear of the 'right', I voted Liberal for the first time. Since we lost some long serving NDP members from Saskatchewan, I suspect others voted like I did. Not this time....

It may be too early to tell, but I'm thinking that Harper hasn't impressed the 'soft Tory voter' out here in the heartland. A strong NDP campaign could topple the Liberals. Jack Layton seems like a pretty good guy. We hardly notice that he's from On.:7
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 04:26 PM
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11. I don't like the current version of the Conservatives
but I do favour a proportional representative system of democracy.

The number of seats obtained by each party should be directly proportional to the percentage of the vote, with maybe a minimum requirement of 2% to avoid the fringe elements taking up space in the house. I would also support an elected senate over patrionage appointment. To bad Mulroney never dealt with patrionage after winnign the 1984 election on that issue.

It's funny (not) how policies change when a party gets into power. The elected party is never likely to initiate chance on a grand scale.

I would prefer to vote directly for the leader of party and to vote for regional representation separately. Similar to the Dutch system with which I'm somewhat familiar, each party could submit a lists of potential members of parliament similar to ensure regional representation.
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