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cguttman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:49 PM
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Exciting Update and Urgent Actions!
Consider taking a few minutes to send a few email and/or calls to preserve democracy: THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE! Please post and FORWARD this to all who care about making every vote count! Thanks, Cheryl

In this post
(1) Update: Kerry joins lawsuit to protect recount with Greens. Obstacles to real, thorough recount to count every vote (and which could potentially change election results).

(2)New Kerry Action from Insider Legal Source: to increase legal standing to defend and expedite recount he must ask for HIS OWN recount since Green effort to expedite recount failed due to lack of "harm" suffered if recount was inadequate

(3)New Blackwell Action:There is new effort to write AGAIN and call Fri and Mon even if your've done it before: it's now or never!

(4)How you can volunteer for recount and share transportation and housing info

(5)Help the law firm that is making all of this possible

*******you can also find all these actions and more at******** http://stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html

Update: While Kerry is publicly defending the Green recount, inside legal sources tell me he may not have enough legal standing to defend and expedite the recount unless he directly asks for a recount himself instead of just helping the Greens in their recount.

Meanwhile Blackwell has dragged his feet and won't certify until the 6th even though the counties have reported its vote totals on the 1st. After the certification,there are two big obstacles to a real thorough manual count.

First on the 7th, Blackwell is scheduled to send in the results of the certification and choose electors who would choose Bush for president to represent Ohio. What this means is that there would be a slate of Bush electors from Ohio and if enough legal votes are found for Kerry, there would either have to be a Congressional challenge and Congress would have to vote on whether to replace the Kerry electors with the Bush electors or the Bush electors would have to switch to Kerry, which is possible but rarely happens.

As a result, it would be best if Ohio did not recognize this "safe harbor" date which many states ignore and is not supposed to be recognized when an election is being challenged anyway (although that is a matter of interpretation).

Second, under Ohio law, the parties have 5 days to decide to join the recount, so the recount cannot start until then--unless all parties--including the Republicans--waive it! There is a legal hearing on Fri, the 3rd to try to stop these two things in order to facilitate the recount that but it might fail.

The inside legal source who has been giving me great info said clearly,"the only recourse is public pressure!" That's where you come in.

From the information I have gathered from inside legal sources, the key things to do are

(1) Call/Write Kerry Campaign and say,"Legal sources say in order to have enough legal standing to defend and expedite recount Kerry must ask directly for a recount instead of just helping the Greens in their recount. I also urge Kerry to do so. In addition, the Kerry,the DNC, and GAO must actively investigate vote fraud in the election ASAP!"

You can send Kerry, DNC, and GAO a quick message here Note: While this page says something a little different the sample letter above is using information which is up to date and has been confirmed by legal insiders.
http://www.thepen.us/e-fraud.html

--If you wanted to do more you can contact: http://www.democrats.org/contact for the DNC ; Kerry Campaign (not sure if still active) 202-712-3000, try ext.5377 ;Ohio Democrats 614-221-6563 (voice) 614-221-0721 (fax) dan@ohiodems.org


(2)
(a)write Blackwell and say something like, "Dear Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell, the recount should begin immediately in order to have enough time to have a full manual recount. You should waive the 5 day waiting period to notify candidates since all candidates already know about recount. You must not send in certification and choose electors on Tues since the recount would begin after that. Many states ignore this "safe harbor day" and it is not appropriate to recognize this deadline before the recount is finished. Also I urge you to recuse yourself from the recount and appoint someone non-partisan instead."

SEND TO : Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us

(b)people are also encouraged to call Fri and Mon, you can say some thing like, "I urge Blackwell to start the recount immediately, waive the 5 day waiting period since all candidates already know about recount; ignore the safe harbor date like many states do since the recount may change the result of the election, and recuse himself during the recount and appoint someone non-partisan in his place."
Phone: (614) 466-2585 1-614- 466-2655

(c)Contact the press http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=state_search&state=oh
(d) You can contact the Ohio Governor at http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp phone: 1614 466-3555,

*****************
(4)If these measures to expedite recount don't work, expect the recount to start on the 11th and end the evening of the 12th. Both the Democrats and the Greens are asking for volunteers--they both need thousands!

If you have rides, housing or frequent flyer miles or absolutely need them to volunteer for this effort you can list your information and find each other at http://democrats.com/ohio
(if this link doesn't work you can also contact action@votermarch.org )

To Volunteer for Greens
http://web.greens.org/c/cobb/supporters.cgi?function=volunteer&process=7
or www.votecobb.org

To Volunteer for Democrats
http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?display=Join&volunteer=Y
or http://ohiodems.org/

###########
(5)To help the legal firm helping the Greens pay for the legal costs making this all possible go to
www.nvri.org

Thanks and keep checking this page for more urgent action alerts facilitating recounts and investigating vote fraud, as well as vote fraud demonstrations around the country http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html








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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:52 PM
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1. This is at least your THIRD thread on this
You are new, but please be aware, this is NOT how things are done here.

If you feel people aren't viewing it and want renewed visibility when it sinks in the thread list, kick your own thread (by replying to it)

But DO NOT keep posting the same damn thread!

THANK YOU
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:50 PM
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3. As my sainted mother used to say, "Isn't that a little overdo?"
N/T

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cguttman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:53 PM
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5. sorry--does more replies mean it will stay up longer?
just felt this was an urgent action so wanted people to see it--will be over soon anyway, so this is our last chance!
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:56 PM
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2. I'm new here...
I'm very frustrated by the vague subject headings. Would it be too much trouble to be more specific and/or provide dates?

Sorry -- didn't mean to single you out.

Thanks.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:52 PM
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4. Welcome to DU!!
Thanks for posting this. Sorry about the crankly people. Too much caffeine, maybe.

:toast:
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CyberChas Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:57 PM
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6. ACTION for SATURDAY!!!
I looked for a thread for this, but couldn't find anything...

This weekend is the continuation of "ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS OR POSTS" time.

The big event is:
Saturday, December 4th,
Columbus, OH
1:00 PM,
Ohio Statehouse Lawn
East Broad & South High Streets,
Columbus, Ohio


If you can't be there, do what you can to make sure that anybody you know in Ohio is.

Make sure it is covered by your local news media, and ask "WHY" if it isn't.

Have a sign in YOUR car in whatever state you are in:
"Investigate the VOTE FRAUD 11/2/04"
or whatever slogan you like.

Let's put some feet in the street, and force the RWMSM (right wing media spin machine) to perk its ears and notice.

Charlie Levenson
Portland, ORegon
CLL2001@Gmail.com
(phone # on request)
----
As Susan in Denver (pookysuz) says: Stay Calm, Committed, Cognitive, and Coherent!
----
If we allow this election to stand without a fight, and the media convinces the masses that it was "fair and trouble-free" then we will never have another honest election in our lifetimes in this country.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:00 PM
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8. Use the Media Blaster here on DU to blast info about the OH protests
Get the word out tonight. Ask them if they will cover the protests. Give them all of the pertinent information so they can cover the protests.

I am going to be on the phone and emailing tonight to MSM to give them details of the protest in Ohio.

Use that Media Blaster! That's what it's here for. It's in Campaign Underground.
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cguttman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:57 PM
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7. does anyone know procedure to ask to make sticky?
most forums have sticky posts--is there a forum webmaster I could ask about this?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:01 PM
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9. Thanks for posting this and welcome to DU!
We are glad to have you here.

Don't worry about posting multiple times. You'll get the hang of it after awhile!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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