What is a "conspiracy vote?" What's another name for it?

Some astute DUer here can provide the name of the Repub. congresswoman on Olberman after the report on today's Conyers hearings, and she said that the hearing is bogus, we can't accept that we lost, and that there aren't enough "conspiracy votes" to reverse the outcome.

And that stuck in my head. It occurred to me that that it sounded like the linguistic product of one certain outfit, and that the talking points were clearly 1. hearing bogus, 2. sorelosers, 3. "conspiracy" votes.

So...what do you think they are? And how many of those do you think there were?

I didn't catch her name. But it was a really odd phrase, a recount would pick up the spoiled ballots that a machine can't read for some reason, and would check the things like Kerry votes flipping to Bush, which was already documented on a lot of machines. I don't think of a spoiled ballot or a computer "glitch" as a conspiracy vote.

The more they use phrases like that to discredit the concept of election fraud, the more I believe they really don't want us to count the votes for some reason.

are still on the voting registration roles and a fraud perpetrator uses their registration to send someone in and vote. I didn't catch her name, but it would be easy to find because she's a Republican on the House Judiciary Committee. A few minutes on Google should find her for you. And yes, the Republicans are highly disciplined on sticking to their talking points which are worked out in advance and distributed from the leaders. I read about one instance (think it might have been a campaign thing) where they had a phone number to call and get their daily talking points off of a recorded message.

Welllll, let's hear it for honest representation of one's own constituents and doing what is best for one's home state. Here I thought repubs were big on state's rights and small government. Instead, they centralize and all bow down to an organized, national drummer. They sacrifice true state representation for the crumbs they're fed to keep them obeying their overlord.

Great Caesar's ghost.

On the good side they do have coherency which is hard to underestimate how powerful that is since what happens is the average jane gets hit with the talking points of the day from multiple sources and pretty soon the "learn" them and "believe" them. For instance, WMDs and connection with Saddam and 9/11

I got this thread off of Arianna Online Forum
This deserves it's own thread. Check this out -- the playbook for Republican communications to the American people...


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/Luntz.pdf
Hooligan
07-03-2004, 02:04 PM
Who wrote this and where did you get it?
cricket
07-03-2004, 02:19 PM
Hooligan....I think that is the Frank Luntz piece. I was listening to an interview on PBS this a.m. I don't think that I realized that he was that imbedded in the GOP. He was orignally a GOP pollster....he is the one that does all of the tv focus group things. He defended his methods to the hilt. I was pretty disturbed when I listened to him this morning. This is propogandizing and manipulation of our citizenry to the max. We are being used and abused by these folks and I am not sure how we can fight back.
Hooligan
07-03-2004, 03:03 PM
It's not surprising as I've heard many of these statements from the Idiot in Chief himself. I also noticed how FOX News always posts a "War on Terror" graphic when they are covering the Iraq War, whereas most other networks use a "War in Iraq" graphic. (Except the Daily Show, which uses a graphic that says "Mess-o-potamia.")
foot_soldier
07-03-2004, 03:08 PM
July 2, 2004
NOW with Bill Moyers
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/luntz.html
cricket
07-03-2004, 03:13 PM
foot soldier......I felt kinda like a fool for taking this man for face value. I always stop when he is doing is focus group thing. So subtle yet so lethal!!! And I pride myself for paying attention for criss sake!!!! Thanks for the links.

dis-credit truth against republicans. He used that word in Texas to get the Chimp his Gov spots. Any time an AWOL story came up during those campaigns, Karl successfully prevented the media from running the stories by labeling them (and the reporters) as conspiracy nuts. He has taken the term to the national level now. We need to get the media to understand that FACTS are not conspiracy theories and we that report FACTS are not conspiracy nuts. Any time you hear a Republican use that word, replaced it with truth.

out of my head also.....there was a post with her name on one of threads.

She was trying to sound like a she was funny(ha ha),
mocking people who take democracy to heart.

She sounded like a clueless arrogant fool, and she made me sick

She was a real piece of work, wasn't she? Had her points down. We're all tinfoil hat wearing sore losers. Who see ghosts. That conspire. :eyes: She thinks we're quite creative, apparently.

I don't see ghosts, but I sure see mass illusion if people think there wasn't chicanery in this election.

And it isn't a tinfoil hat, it's a bullshit detector.

Have I covered it all? :D

We need to talk about the fraudulent election. We need to talk about fraud every chance we get. Blacks need to talk about their votes being disenfranchised. College kids need to talk about not being allowed to vote at the same time as being actively recruited for the military. None of this is conspiracy. The Repubs are going to end up looking like fools.

was too distracting to try and catch her name. Nails on chalkboard! :scared: Why is it that most Repug female spokespeople have voices that make my dogs howl?

As far as the R talking points go, they are so predictable. What makes me madder than their lame schoolyard style is that the public at large doesn't get outraged at their lack of giving-a-shit about said public at large or their rights.x(

Like the fox talk show people get when their guest is
getting off target or making sense on the wrong subject and
needs to be shut up.

Cat Fluffing up, dunno if its fear or just challenge - but they're two
flavors of the same shrill.

put on Hardball a few weeks ago. I think her name was Susan Something? If it was that same woman, my sympathies to those who were forced to view her this evening. Your eyeballs and ears are probably bleeding. That woman is the spawn of Satan and clearly (to me anyway) is very adept at publicly conveying the exactly right amount of contempt and derision towards those who dare to question the Repuke party line. I've noticed that they put her on every time there is something that requires a lot of spin for the Repukes - if it was her on tonight that would tell me that they are afraid of this issue...

If either of them has kids, you can bet they're all in therapy. They spew derision and contempt with cold glee.

Then we'll shut up and move on.

Until you're willing to do that, the supposition is that the machines in certain Ohio counties were rigged to flip votes from Kerry to Bush.

Put up or shut up.

They could hand you anything and you'd have to shut up.

i saw that term in some article on the vote fraud.

God was making sure the vote came out right. Thats why these
little miracles are happening all over and thats why they all
favor His Eminence.

Statistics!? Models?! Probabilities and Source code!?

Y'all just need to learn how to surrender your will to a higher
power! Life gets so much nicer once you accept forgiveness and
learn to get over life's little problems.

It's a good old-fashioned Christmas miracle!

that's easy. It's how many votes they conspired to take from Kerry and give to Bush for his "mandate". I'm thinking about 1.7 million.

Blackburn was also Stepford Wife-y...Like she was on Valium. It's amazing how you turn on the power, and they all go like wind up toys spouting the same line in unison. Fascinating.

and they usually sound catchy but lack substance. I think you were right on in your 3 point appraisal above. I was offended by her. I kept thinking, "conspiracy votes"? What are those? Personally, I don't think that they exist. I don't know any "conspiracy voters" who went to cast "conspiracy votes." I know plenty of voters who went to vote thinking that it mattered and would be counted...only to find out that wasn't the case. People who thought that they had the power to effect change in their government by way of a VOTE. A plain old vote. Think about it, what is "conspiracy" loosely it is something theoretical, possibly untrue, or yet to be proven. I think the actual definition is something close to a plot, scheme, or plan. How do any of these words fit with voting. Except of course, the effort to plot, scheme, or plan against the voters? Beats me. What do you think?

released the flying monkeys.

I think that they start these spin offensives by sending out the smaller fry (who are delighted to be asked!) to start sowing the talking points.

As the story progresses, if they need to change or fine-tune the message, they can use other minions from the press or Congress to put out the improved message, and they can move up to people of higher stature if need be.

This way, they test-market the talking points, and can jettison the ones that don't work so well, and have the necessary insulation from being associated with messages that might get bad reactions.

But they're definitely releasing the flying monkeys. "Fly, my pretties! Fly!"


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flying monkeys (in the movie) were scary. The flying monkeys you speak of are just obnoxious. As I read you post I thought about that woman on the Keith O. show, I think it was Tuesday night, when Rechtenwald spoke out, anyway, she was one of the flying monkeys I bet. Obnoxious as hell she was. She's in the film making business...says conservatives are flocking to the business and own most of it. Blah, blah, she seemed to be an Ann C. wannabe. Nonetheless, Bleever, I always appreciate your posts. I think that you are right. It's a sign that they are no longer ignoring us or laughing at us, right?

they get to live in the castle.

And yes, it's a sign we're getting too close to the Emerald City.

B-)

been sending out the small fry first to nip at our heels (and women, yet), but it only serves as a harbinger of bigger, nastier pirahnas to come.

It is obvious to me that they have something to hide from, or they would have been only too happy to flaunt that vistory from the highest possible perch. What else did Messrs. Blackwell and Mitofsky have to do yesterday that was more important than clearing their names? Also, I like the fact that Monica N. reported that Conyers had called Blackwell himself, and that he had to leave a message. "Sec. Blackwell, Rep. Conyers is on the phone for you." "Noooo! I'm not here. I'm NOT here!" Classic.

Maybe I'm reading tea leaves here, but bleever, I do believe your assessment of the situation is right on the money.

I wrote an e-mail to Ney chastising him and his ilk for putting party before democracy and reminding him gently that the next stolen votes could be his.

:7

I see you are in Oakland how is the east bay these days? I was born in Oakland and lived in Berkeley before my exodus.

years since I moved here. Plenty of gentrification, but good improvements in parks, highways, etc. Lots of restoration of creeks and shoreline habitats going on, due to strong volunteer efforts all over. Still got the best coffee in the world, but no longer the best football.

They set swarms of them on message boards, too. They really need to use brighter minions. And ones without fleas. That's a dead giveaway. ;)

We've moved squarely into the next-to-last stage of my currently-invisible signature, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." It's rather sad that they aren't better at it. At this rate, it won't be long before we enter the last stage and inaugurate our new President.

outcome of this election -

There are also enough altered votes to change the election.

I believe John Kerry got the landslide victory some of us predicted. Now, we just have to shake it loose.