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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:54 PM
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View this graph: Kerry was ahead in the battleground states
Including OH and FL.

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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:58 PM
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1. dates? sources?
It would be helpful
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:15 PM
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5. These were from various polls taken wihtin a week of the election.
Zogby, ARG, Gallup, Survey-USA...

I used the polls that I believed most.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:59 PM
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10. It went like this
Florida- CNN has Kerry 3 points up. I believe them. Good pollsters.

Ohio- CNN is the ONLY poll that has Kerry ahead. Great pollsters!

Pennsylvania- Uh oh. CNN has Kerry behind. They are idiots. I think I believe....the famous West Chester University poll. They have Kerry up by the most. Really, that's not why I chose them. I promise.

Wisconsin- Shit! CNN has Kerry down 8! They're idiots! I'll believe.... Zogby! Yeah, he's got Kerry ahead here. Of course, he doesn't have Kerry ahead in either Florida or Ohio, so I'll believe someone else for those.


That's exactly how it went. If you go to RealClear Politics, you can see he cherry-picked the polls that backed him up, mixing and matching. So much for "truth".

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:01 PM
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12. The discrepancy you show could be a result of the ObL video. Terror was
the one issue on which most earlier polls say that Bush could win. And the ObL tape was broadcast just days before the election. Pretty nervy for Bush to claim a "mandate" if it was ObL who got him re-elected, don't you think?
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:07 PM
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13. i.e.
The ones who had Kerry up the most, which seems to be the only criteria for whether you believed it or not. You really should work on being more consistent.
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:59 PM
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2. The quality of your posts are degrading...
Kerry was not ahead in EVERY poll in the battleground states...

Where the hell is this picture from, what poll or polls does it represent?

We need to concentrate on that arguments based in hard fact, not debatable points like this...
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:11 PM
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4. Your eyesight is degrading: No one has said that. Read, Bubba n/t
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:39 PM
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6. And just in case you didn't know it, to Repukes facts are irrelevant.
They will try to debunk everything. Logic and truth are not found in their dictionary - only obfuscation, denial and lies.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:01 PM
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3. Documentation that Kerry won in Ohio; recount will confirm this
Documentation that Kerry won Ohio
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/supreme.htm


Strong Evidence of fraud in Miami County, Ohio
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/miami.htm

High undercounts in Kerry precincts and low undercounts in Bush precincts in Cincinati
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cincinnati.htm

Indications of Fraud in several Ohio counties
www.flcv.vom/fraudioh.html

?Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in S.W. Ohio counties
http://www.flcv.com/swohio.html
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

?Favoritism in the Suburbs http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

?Stealing Votes in Cleveland http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

(there is more documentation) http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
(this is without the huge amount of voter suppression that has been previously documented) http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm



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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:44 PM
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7. Odd that these polls
Don't show the same thing. Those are all of the major polls. Where did you get your data? YOu kind of sidestepped that question.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:52 PM
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8. I dunno
Isn't realclear politics a little biased towards repugs?
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UVASAM1 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:54 PM
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9. its run by a repug
but the data, esp from the poll compilations is non-partisan
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:01 PM
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11. All they do is summarize the polls
of the major pollers. He doesn't do any polling. And it's where Mr. Truth got his data. He just mixed and matched as it pleased him.
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