Yes!!! Conyers said "yes, we WILL challenge the electoral votes"

He agreed with Keith, it is our constitutional right!
Thank Keith!

pared to do that." Which doesn't say he IS going to do that, just that their prepared to do it if it makes sense to them.

He only suffers from the comparison -- big time. Further, he doesn't want to be referred to in that way. Finally, it's a huge insult to the real JFK as well as those of us who lived through that time and aren't quite over it yet.

But mostly remember that you do John Kerry absolutely no favors by bringing up a fallen hero of Kennedy's stature.

and any suffering in the comparison is a personal interpretation.

But since I dumped my cable... I can't

What was the bottom line?

But my memory may be wrong.

...hold to account every Senator who DOESN'T sign the challenge.

NGU.

I know some think Tommy may be interested in running, but I haven't heard what Herb's plans are. He's getting up there in age, eh?

He should have a whole group of Senators lined up. In fact, every friggin' Senator should stand with him on this! WHO doesn't want a fair election? Is that really too much to ask???? :grr:

mantra while fillibustering everything else until this is settled and chaining themselves together in the Capitol Rotunda singing 'this land is your land'. To my mind, this IS every Congressional Democrat's sacred responsibility under what's left of US Constitution.

Let's take it from here folks.

is so American, so pro-Democracy, so us, wow.

Can Obama be the one senator?

(I don't think he will be)

I don't think there is one senator that will stand up for this.
Would love to be wrong, doubt it though.

The 109th Congress begins on January 4th.

people, the man is not a fool. he is not going to slit his throat as his first act as a senator.
this all reminds me of a story about him that i heard during the campaign. he made a visit to kenya, to see the relatives. he was greeted with pomp and circumstance. one of the local officials greeted him saying, "i am sure he is going to bring us a school, a hospital, and some new roads."
i hope the man can live up to half of people's expectations. i don't want to watch when people find out he can't walk on water.

I don't think he'll be the one senator by any means.

So many people have hung so many hopes on him, he must be under tremendous pressure.

I won't hold it against him if he says nothing at all that day.
Agree with your post.

I heard him mention they were well aware of what the law was and it was important to fix the system. He never said flat out they plan a challenge.

A lot of selective hearing going on.

He DID leave the strong impression that he would if he considered it necessary. But he didn't say he was challenging it.

He made it known with authority they were aware of the situation but made no commitment to a challenge.

Rather, he talked about the duty of Congress to listen to the people and all of their complaints--and then said Republicans have not joined them!! I was glad to hear him say that!!

that he is "prepared to challenge", but he was also justifying the actions he is taking now because people want their voices to be heard.

There was a post on this yesterday, I believe.

Maxine Waters said problems were larger than she first thought, and yup, they're going to do it again.

on edit: can someone confirm that, I'm looking for it through search and apparently I'm search-challenged. :) I believe Waters had a....radio interview??

I took it to mean they would try to find a senator that cared about democracy. Not that they had found one. I think it was on a XM:America left news update. Not sure what the original program was.

Said we will put the senators to the test again

if the Democratic Party really wants to save itself then they'd better produce a Senator who will join us on this fight, otherwise they might have to start recruiting members from the Republican side.

they will ALL stand up and object to this election. time to hang together, or.......

..."We're going to have to do it again!" --Randi Rhodes Show, yesterday 12/14/04. I heard the whole interview and reported it in detail here. Don't have the url right now.

me, if it comes down to it, they are prepared to challenge. I just hope that also means this time they have a senator lined up prepared to go along for the ride. Let's help them find one, just in case they don't have one already, extras would be nice.

how the vote actually went.

If Conyers and a Senator challenge the Ohio electoral votes, what happens next? Does anyone know what the law says is the next step?

The it gets discussed for two hours _only_ and then the repukes vote to accept the votes.

the validity of Bush as President. Then, from that point on, we can continue to question that validity. 4 (or less?) more years of misery for him.

...Bush Inc.'s illegitimately elected Congress will stop it, and will try everything imaginable to keep Americans from being informed about it, but its S0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 very important that it HAPPEN! Justice demands it! (Kerry won!) Our democracy is hanging by a thread. Who will be the heroes and champions defending out right to vote? Who will cry out for a fair and open election? Who will weep over suppression of black voters 40 years after the Voting Rights Act, and all the grief that made it necessary--repeated now in Ohio and Florida, to our everlasting disgrace as a nation? Who will stand up for our democracy?

It's "the wheat from the chaff" time. Maxine Waters put it exactly right: "We're going to put them to the test." (--the Dem Senators)

on another string discussing who the Senator might be. sorry i don't have the link.

and the the black congress people wanted to challenge and they needed a senator . . . i understand that Bore . . . um i mean Gore asked that no senator do so . . . does that imply that some would have???

i prey one or more have the decency to do so this time ....

If you seriously have any hope of being considered legitimate. If you ever plan to run for public office again in the future. If you have any respect for yourself as a human being. If you have any respect for the 50+ Million who voted for you.

DO NOT VOICE ANY OPPOSITION TO A SENATOR COMING FORWARD ON YOUR BEHALF.

Perhaps you will develop some BA**S and stand up for YOURSELF!

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began listing a long list of the many different types of problems encountered in the election, most of which favored Republicans. Then he said something like, "Can this all be due to simple mistakes? Come on!!!!

Removed because of comma problems? Come on, give us the poop!

A challenge by Conyers and one Senator doesn't accomplish anything in and of itself.

Congress cannot order a new vote in Ohio. Neither can they overturn the standing vote in Ohio. Congress can, by a separate majority of both the House and Senate, choose to either reject Ohio's electorial slate altogether, or, if Ohio sends two slates (as a result of the State recount), to accept the alternate slate.

They only way Kerry wins is if there is an alternate slate AND a majority of both the House and Senate vote to accept it. If that is likely to happen, the challenge of just Conyers and one Senator will be like a whisper in the wind.

See this link for more:

Blog: Election Scam-o-rama
Post: How might the election results change?
Link: http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com/2004/12/how-might-election-results-change.html

In the end, will a repub congress do anything different than the repub supreme court did 4 years ago?

This is why our country has basically become a dictatorship. And I fear that it may be a very long, long time before anything can hope to change. The damage being done now alone, will take years and/or decades to fix.

He is a man that talks softly but carries a big stick.
I have every confidence that he will take this all the way.

:kick:

depending on if and when the challenge is made!

You can almost see Conyers being the Representative from the House, because he is so passionate about the issue!

I thought only the incoming class was eligible.

Could an outgoing Senator, like the former Minority Leader, step forward? Are you sure about that?

quote:
"The Senator & Congressman can be of the old or new Congress"

"depending on if and when the challenge is made!

You can almost see Conyers being the Representative from the House, because he is so passionate about the issue!"
end of quote

Really??? I've never heard that before! When does it have to be made in order for a Senator from the old Congress to be able to do it? That's an interesting idea... Maybe one of the exiting Senators would be more likely to do it since their terms are over. Daschle?

the slate can be challenged before it's even presented. And the outgoing Senators will no longer be Senators by the time the slate is read.

Barring evidence to the contrary, I don't think that someone who "used to be a Senator" would be able to challenge.

KEY DATES:

Before 13 December:
States compile lists of delegates to Electoral College

7 December:
Deadline for states to resolve any problems over election results

13 December:
Electors meet in each state to vote for president and vice-president, sending sealed results to Washington

3 January 2005:
New Congress sworn in

6 January 2005:
Congress meets to count and announce Electoral College vote

20 January:
Presidential inauguration

But no one, including Conyers, is going to challenge the electors with just a series of very suspicious anecdotes. It's going to take damn near a smoking gun before a Senator is going to put his/her career on the line.

impeachment a few years before. Unless you can prove 'six ways to Sunday' that GWB had a hand in voter fraud (and I've seen nothing yet other than X-Files type stuff) it just won't happen.

....just copy/paste/fax.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x173332

Thank you.