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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 04:59 PM
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BALLOT SCAMMING
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/ballot_scamming.html

POLLSTERS, MEDIA IMPLICATED IN VOTE FRAUD

By Christopher Bollyn

While Congress has yet to decide if there will be a formal inquiry into the U.S. election of 2004, its preliminary investigation is exposing the most serious flaws in the system. But don’t expect to hear about it in the mainstream media—it’s part of the problem.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:11 PM
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1. Great article - I highly recommend it!
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:13 PM
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2. this is a great find..Thanks!
Does DU's Gary Beck know he is featured in this?
Great going GARY!!!!:toast:

“As the story develops,” Gary Beckwith, an Internet journalist with The Solar Bus, wrote, “no one has been able to explain why the media is avoiding it like the plague.”
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:22 PM
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3. Did Triad respond by DEC 29th?
Have been out of the loop so don't know if this has already been answered... Thanks for the article!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:15 PM
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6. Triad wrote back saying they need an additional "week or so"
to respond !!#$%!*&! :mad:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:38 PM
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9. Thanks - I'll be waiting for 5 Jan now. nt
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:53 PM
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11. You forgot the "or so" part!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:40 PM
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4. YEAH, Baby! The corporate media is complicit, not just silent.
It's like someone's little dog is tugging on a curtain while the media's giant floating head is booming at us (with a crawl going by underneath: "Scott Peterson still convicted..."), shouting "Silence!" while the fire flares around it, "I say what there is, and there is only what I say!"

And we're all standing there, looking at some guy with a microphone and some levers and buttons, and the illusion is over. And it ain't coming back.

And all of these stories about fudged exit polls and direct media access to the tabulators and other essentially corrupt facets of the election of 2004 are magnetized now. They will attract attention.

The story will continue to build.


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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:08 PM
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5. I especially liked this paragraph:
AFP interviewed Rapp at Triad’s office shortly after the election. At that time Rapp told AFP that Triad personnel were not present or involved in any way with the vote tabulation done in the different counties.

Caught in a bald faced lie!

-Hoot
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:20 PM
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7. Especially like the in your face to the msm,
and their complicity in the election fraud. The msm has an STD and everybody knows it!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:32 PM
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8. What do you expect when you're embedded?
Should've used protection.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:47 PM
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10. How does the AP gain access to mainframe computers???
"Immediately after the election, American Free Press reported that the Associated Press had direct access to the mainframe computer that tallied the votes in Chicago and Cook County—as it tallied the votes on Election Day. This provides evidence that the mainstream media consortium that replaced the disgraced Voter News Service (VNS) has remote access to the machines that count the votes.

This direct connection between AP and the vote counting computer system explains why the Associated Press repeatedly refused to answer AFP’s questions during the summer about how they got their election results on election night.

As AFP reported from Chicago, this was something that the county clerk was well aware of and actively tried to prevent from being revealed. However, if it is done in Chicago, it is probably done in a similar manner across the nation.

Remote access to the computers counting the votes—who has it and how it is being used—is a subject that is finally being addressed by members of Congress. How far Conyers’s investigation goes remains to be seen.

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This is very, very disturbing.
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Bill of Rights Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 07:58 PM
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12. Private Company Still ‘Controls’ Election Outcome
http://cf.rrstar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=4209

Here is the AFP's article about Illinois' direct feed.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:58 PM
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17. I REMEMBER READING ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO ELECTION
I VIVIDLY REMEMBER READING ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO ELECTION ABOUT AP PRESS AND THEIR CONNECTION WITH VOTER TABULATIONS...I WISH I COULD FIND THE ARTICLE IN MY FILES..I WILL KEEP LOOKING..AND I REMEMBER THINKING ..WHERE IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ON THIS...I SO VIVIDLY REMEMBER BEING VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS..IN FACT I READ IT TO MY HUSBAND AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERNET NONSENCE PIECE..BUT I WAS CONVINCED IT WAS REAL VERY REAL AND I REMEMBER LAYING AWAKE THINKING HOW WE WERE SCREWED VERY SCREWED AND I WAS UPSET WITH THE DEM PARTY FOR DOING NOTHING ABOUT THIS!!

FLY
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Bill of Rights Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:00 PM
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13. Here is a related DailyKos diary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/1/31342/82030
Title: What is the Associated Press hiding?

What is the Associated Press hiding? Why has this venerable organization (recently acquired by the conglomorate that also owns the Dallas Morning News, whose owner is Chairman of the Board) refused to provide Representative John Conyers and his staff the information about the election they have requested?

Is it because they do not want it know how many other states, besides Illinois allowed them to take a direct feed from their central vote tabulating computers?

Is it because they do not want to reveal which public officials were paid for providing this "special access" to the public's records? Or maybe that they actually got it for free?

Is it because they now realize that their arrangements with these states, probably the ones where the election returns were expected to be really close, provided a back door through which the vote was "hacked?"

Is it because there is now the risk that their vaunted "election news packages" will go down in flames when it becomes known that the results were bogus?
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:36 PM
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14. Sure wish they'd get some guts
I guess everyone's afraid of these people)

Conyers said: “Well, there are Republicans who support what I’m doing who haven’t been willing to come forward

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4934
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:49 PM
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15. I have three words "Ken Starr Report".
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:14 PM
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16. Do you have any idea if Conyers has read this article?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:14 AM
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18. OK I FOUND IN MY FILES PRE ELECTION STORY ON AP
SORRY LINK NO LONGER WORKS..SO HERE IS WHOLE STORY!! FLY



Lynn Investigates
Could the Associated Press (AP) Rig the Election? (Check updates at bottom)



by Lynn Landes 10/22/04



The Associated Press (AP) will be the sole source of raw vote totals for the major news broadcasters on Election Night. However, AP spokesmen Jack Stokes and John Jones refused to explain to this journalist how the AP will receive that information. They refused to confirm or deny that the AP will receive direct feed from voting machines and central vote tabulating computers across the country. But, circumstantial evidence suggests that is exactly what will happen.



And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded. Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity. Computer scientists have long warned that computer voting is an invitation to vote fraud and system failure. An examination of Diebold election software by several computer scientists, including Dr. Avi Rubin and his staff, proved that secret backdoors can be built into computer programs that allow votes to be easily manipulated without detection.



ES&S, the nation's largest voting machine company that will reportedly count 50% of all votes, describe on their webpage how "accessible" their results are, "At ES&S, we know election administrators and the public want fast and accurate election results. That is why we have developed several election management system software solutions to make the reporting process easier, more reliable, and more accessible." Diebold, the second largest voting machine company, advertises a similar service. Both ES&S and Diebold have close ties to the Republican Party.



But, can't the AP be trusted? Isn't it an objective non-partisan news organization? Some say no. The AP is batting for a Bush presidency.



In Online Journal, Stephen Crockett and Al Lawrence, the hosts of Democratic Talk Radio, wrote, "...the Associated Press ran a story that was widely published in newspapers and on the Internet, headlined "Bush Leads Kerry In Electoral Votes," that could have been written by the Bush campaign. The assignment of states to candidates, the headline and the conclusions were all simply wrong. The Associated Press should print a retraction and work to see that it is widely published."



And on WBAY TV in Green Bay, Wisconsin ran an AP article reporting that Bush has won the election, weeks before the election is to take place. The AP reported, "At this hour, President Bush has won re-election as president by a 47 percent to 43 percent margin in the popular vote nationwide. Ralph Nader has 1 percent of the vote nationwide. That's with 51 percent of the precincts reporting." According to reports, the AP is now saying the article was a "test article," a never-heard-before journalistic practice.



Who is the AP? The Associated Press was founded in 1848. It is a not-for-profit news cooperative, some would say ‘monopoly’, that rakes in about $500 million dollars a year. The AP is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. Their board of directors is elected by voting ‘bonds’. However, it is not clear who controls the bonds. AP spokespeople would not give out information on who sits on their board, however AP leadership appears quite conservative.



Burl Osborne, chairman of the AP board of directors, is also publisher emeritus of the conservative The Dallas Morning News, a newspaper that endorsed George W. Bush in the last election. Kathleen Carroll, senior vice president and executive editor of AP, was a reporter at The Dallas Morning News before joining AP. Carroll is also on the Associated Press Managing Editors (APME)’s 7-member executive committee. The APME "works in partnership with AP to improve the wire service's performance," according to their website. APME vice president, Deanna Sands, is managing editor of the ultra conservative Omaha World Herald newspaper, whose parent company owns the largest voting machine company in the nation, Election Systems and Software (ES&S).



Many Americans believe that polling organizations and the broadcasters will raise the red flag on any election shenanigans. But others have their doubts.



The Collier brothers, authors of the book, VoteScam: The Stealing of America, wrote about vote fraud and the role the news media and polls played. In 1970, Channel 7 in Miami projected with 100% accuracy (a virtual impossibility) the final vote totals on election day. When asked where they got their exit poll data, both Channel 3 & Channel 7 claimed that the League of Women Voters sent it in from the precincts. But, the League's local president tearfully denied it, saying, "I don't want to get caught up in this thing." The broadcasters then told the Colliers that a private contractor used the data from a single voting machine to project the winners, but the contractor said he got the data from a University of Miami professor, who in turn denied this. In the end, the news broadcasters appeared to have got the polling numbers out of thin air.



One thing is clear. The air will be thick with distrust and doubt on Election Night 2004.

UPDATES:


Nov 1 - The AP announces results BEFORE the election AGAIN - http://election.rockymountainnews.com/results_races.cfm) Sorry, folks, but I grabbed this page without getting the date and who sent me this info. I'll try to find it.
Nov 4 - Votes Downloaded to AP - Confirmation that the Association Press gets direct feed from voting tabulating computers - read Christopher Bollyn's article. (For more on the AP: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=97&contentid=1624)
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Lynn Landes is one of the nation's leading journalists on voting technology and democracy issues. Readers can find her articles at EcoTalk.org. Lynn is a former news reporter for DUTV and commentator for the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). Contact info: lynnlandes@earthlink.net / (215) 629-3553

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:02 AM
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19. Thanks, Fly, that's exactly what I was remembering, too!
I remember being surprised, because I live near Green Bay, and I hadn't heard anything about this posting on their website (at the time). When the issue was raised here on DU near election time, many people said it was just a "test-run" and it wasn't important.

But I guess what shocks me is that these people have direct access not only to the numbers, but also to the mainframe computers!

There are so many questions, not just about the returns themselves (and the mysterious red-shift), but also the dramatically shifting exit polls themselves.

Now, to find out that they had all that evidence right under their fingertips - literally! is very disturbing, indeed.

There is much more yet to be exposed, I fear. God help us all.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:25 AM
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20. YOUR WECOME REVCHEESEHEAD!! EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS!! N/T
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