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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:11 AM
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Anyone see this report before -- it's from the Election Data Services
By the people who provide e-voting machines. It's got an awesome map, and I'm thinking that information could be useful as we continue in our investigation (those of us who are still investigating.) I have to go to bed, but if anyone wants to look at it, here it is (it was released in May, 2004 -- so if this is old news to all the DUers here prior to the election -- I apologize.


"It is a pleasure for me to introduce the topic of today's public hearing -- the security and realibility of electronic voting systems -- by providing an overview of voting equipment usage in the United States, with a special focus on direct recording equipment (DRE) voting."

http://www.electiondataservices.com/EDSInc_DREoverview.pdf
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:17 AM
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1. Thank you. Great data and graphs. Kick! nt
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:09 PM
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2. I'm saving this...n/t
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:24 PM
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3. Thanks!
Very valuable data...
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:58 PM
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4. Who was it yesterday that said the majority of Ohio voted on
punchcard? Some congresswoman (R-Ohio) as I recall.
This map shows clearly (geographically) the majority was electronic voting.

thanks for your info, downloaded, too.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:30 PM
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7. Actually, everyone is saying it!
This is a major discrepancy and should be sent to truth@freepress.org for comment. You want to do it?
<www.freepress.org>
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:46 PM
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14. Ohio and punch card
88 (approx) counties
more than 40 are Triad GIS (punchcard tabulation) counties
http://www.votingindustry.com/VR_Review/2nd%20Tier/PDFs/triadcustomers.pdf

You can also look at www.verifiedvoting.org (EIRS section) to see the breakdown of machines.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:18 PM
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5. Cool. n/t
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:25 PM
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6. Wasn't OH
suppose to only have 7 counties that used electronic voting machines?

By this map it looks like it was the masses who had it? And punch card and optical scans were the minorty?

I'm bewildered by that. Or is this the expectation?
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:44 PM
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9. I think the map is wrong.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:47 PM by Zan_of_Texas
An incredible amount of information is purported to be shown there.

I think there is another place where it's questionable too -- I find no purple (electronic) at all in Washington State, yet at least one WA county uses a DRE by Hart InterCivic. Yep - in fact, here is the beginning of a press release from Hart:

Austin, TX - 5/26/2004 - Yakima County has selected Hart InterCivic’s eSlate™ Electronic Voting System for absentee and Election Day balloting and vote tabulation. The county’s 91,000 registered voters will begin using the new system in September 2004, when Washington conducts its Primary Election.

Ohio was scheduled to go mostly electronic in 2004, but citizens like CASE OHIO prevented that -- short-circuited it early in 2004.

According to Triad, Triad tabulated 41 of Ohio's 88 counties, and those were all punchcard.

Check out:

http://www.geocities.com/boycott_sinclair/Ohio-datasheets.htm

or
http://www.feminist.org/pdfs/OH_election_certification.pdf

for charts of Ohio machine use by company.

So far, I've found nothing wrong with the geocities chart, although obviously a geocities address is not an official Ohio State website.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:32 AM
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13. do you think they are trying to toot e-voting's horn?
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 09:35 AM by KaliTracy
Interesting in May they are trying to "smooth" the misconceptions of voting, and to "shed light" on the problems of e-voting.... are they non-partisian? Why would She be in Elections Offices on Election day? Why are Vendors in Elections Offices on election day?
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:50 PM
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15. I think you are right Zan
I don't have the time to go compare this to VV.org's EIRS, but I think something is woefully incorrect on the Ohio breakdown.

Steve from Votewatch has been in Ohio since the election, we spoke many times in that period, and I have a distinct idea about what is there. It's not electronic in the majority.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:51 PM
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8. some interesting quotes....
"Our studies have shown that electors don't always vote for the highest office, a common misconception."


"In fact, I have been in offices on Election day and overheard vendors specifically discouraging officials from producing reports with overvotes and undevotes. This is a shame for both the American public, as well as the election official. If an election offical does not study the results of the election, the official is no better than an ostrich with its head in the sand. Looking for abnormal voting patterns or unusual overvote or undervote relationships are available steps in everyone's research effort."


hmmm....that map of Ohio did show an awful lot of electronic areas, didn't it?

Youngstown had electronic voting (Kerry to Bush switching on screen) --

Would love to see that blown up against a Map like jknapp does -- on the precinct level....

but I felt the report/presentation was saying two contradictory things -- 1. it's normal to get undervotes, (yeah, especially after you've waited 3 hours to vote, you're just going to vote for anyone by that point, right?) 2. More Data is needed. YES. Though the line about the vendors being at the Elections office on the day of the Election threw me for a loop....
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:03 AM
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10. election data services?
Is this one of ES&S? mini corp companines?

I know that BRC is.. I found that out today after some digging. I was curious what tabulated my vote. So I called my BOE and asked. They didn't even know right off, they had to go take a look, it was none other then BRC

BRC.. is owned by Election Service Divison which in turn is owned by ES&S.

Funny how they try to hid their names buy out small companies to head their product
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:07 AM
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11. Thanks
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:26 AM
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12. found this
Election Data Services Inc. is a political consulting firm specializing in redistricting, election administration, and the analysis and presentation of census and political data with GIS (geographic information systems).
Voting Equipment: results of a 1998 study report

Election Data Services conducts a study on the reapportionment of the U.S. House of Representatives based on newly released census population projections. The studies identify states that would gain or lose representation in the United States Congress if the House of Representatives were reapportioned using the census projections. Findings of the annual congressional reapportionment studies are published in news releases that highlight the biggest gainers and losers among the states and point out trends by comparing the current census projections and reapportionment study with earlier projections and studies over the past decade

so they do stuff like such.

I can't find an affliated voting company.. perhaps advocating one form of voting over another.
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