i dont get why people have issue with biden

i am hearing it all over the place. i dont get why or what people are seeing from these hearing. like biden just chatted and joked about daughter, boxer i think chimed in, and a couple others giggle. i betcha there are going to be those that totally trash biden for being in humor, and the senate committee laughing. i wonder if a lot of people havent watched hearing in past. i dont think i have the same expectation from these, and what i expect the others do. i think i can say, you know kerry gets to be himself, biden gets to be who he is boxer gets to be her, and condi, of course will be her lying self. this is just what people are.

i thought biden asked reasoned questions. i dont think he was soft on rice. i think what he asked, and what he showed were reasonable and good and i appreciate he said this outsloud

because he says he will vote for her, (i see this is the way it is in congress, i expect all to, boxer probably wont, if she votes yes, cool) people are just literally flipping out and attacking biden. all that he talks about is dismissed and he said he would vote her in, scumbag, pig, ass.

my mind isnt wrapping around this.

i see good things happening here. just to listen to what is actually is happening around the world and world leaders are saying is good stuff. we never get this information

is a neocon puppet. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. It's not providing an opposition to confirm people who have knowingly enabled illegal invasions that have destroyed our internation reputaion.

should not be confirmed or the are neocon puppets. i ask how reasoned this is.

I feel it is very reasoned.

Rice belongs in a prison cell in the Hague, along with the rest of the administration. Why? Because they flagrantly violated international law. And anyone who treats her as a competent, ethical person is simply not paying attention, or just doesn't care.

Again, that's my opinion.

nice to know I'm not alone. :hi:

A voice of reason. :hi:

to constructive criticism. Why support any part of this evil regime? Biden is saying one thing and doing another. It is time for dems to take a stand. these are not republicans these people are dangerous to this country!

But he has asked tough questions during the testimony portion, so I give him that (he's generally erratic --sometimes he makes great sense, other times he sounds kooky -- never know what you're gonna get out of that box of chocolates). I'm just thrilled that most Dems (and even some Republicans) are asking tough questions. Maybe some truth will leak out and Americans will start better understanding what is really going on (I know, I'm a dreamer...)

adn he is who he is. fawning whatever is all in perception, a judgement call. i have one son that kiss ass and gets what he wants, another that doesnt, and doesnt get what he wants. so

this is what i dont put into my politics, a personal relationship. these people arent my friend, i dont have to decide if i want to hang with them. they are employees. they have a job. that is what interests me

These guys have to work with each other and there's no sense in being obnoxious and engaging in partisan, ugly bickering -- way too much of that in DC now. I just wish he'd tone it down just a bit because he's undercutting that the Dems are asking tough questions that need to be asked. I think he's said 4 times in past two days that he's voting to confirm -- it takes the wind out of Dems sails to some extent, that's my major concern. (Also, I think it's kind of odd for him to sound so gung-ho on her confirmation -- Condi says 120,000 Iraqis trained, yesterday he told her he thinks number is closer to 4,000! This is a huge disparity!!

He seems like a pretty good speaker and a fairly charming guy for a politician. But he also seems like he wants to ride the fence on too many things. He seems like an average, middle of the road democrat. Nothing more, nothing less. He would have zero to lose by voting no for Rice and Gonzales, but he will still vote yes. Why? Does it make him a republican schill? No. Does it make him a good democrat? Sadly, the answer to that is also now.

government. a president is "elected" and they hire people for position. cause you have two sides, the person put in is not going to mesh with the opposite side. president still has to hire people.

now the riding the fence. what i see is he has issues and some arent issues. i do this too. death penalty and abortion arent my issues. some would say i sit on the fence. (use to be abortion, not anymore) other issues are my priority, i dont sit on the fence i battle

..admittedly I haven't been paying super close attention to the guy or his career. But he just seems to not want to rock the boat. Kind of like Kerry but with a little more bluster and personality.

Like I said, I don't hate the guy. I just think he represents our losing strategy from the past couple of years.

Here's my position:

I'm furious at the Democrats (I'm a yellow-dog Democrat, though demoralized) for refusing to call the Bush administration on its high crimes and misdemeanors.

Any person of conscience should vote against anything Bush supports. Period.

Yes, I'm angry at Biden and any Democrat--and certainly any Republican--who does not actively work to dethrone the faux fuhrer.

Pointed questions are not enough.

worse,a person who has assisted whole-heartedly in the death of well over 100,000 human beings.

If you don't get that, I don't know what else to say.

the death and destruction they have caused. NOT IN MY NAME! I say NO to confirmation!

away!!!!!

He was a uniter with the other democrats including Senator Boxer. I thought he was touch while still acting like a statesmen. He believes that a president can choose his cabinet and that is the only reason he will vote to confirm. He is following his principle and I call that integrity.

His statements along with Kerry, and Boxer fit my feelings exactly. This administration lies to the people, to the senate and congress. I actually learned a great deal from the democrats during the questioning. I just wish it didn't take a confirmation hearing to have these things brought into the open. The fault there lies also in the media that has largely given this administration a free pass.

Biden is all smiles and trying to ooze charm from every pore while he supports PNAC's agenda. Did you notice his little lecture to Europe yesterday about how they needed to get over it and get on board?

PNAC's got another plan nowand Biden needs them to get on board with it. Biden's the guy who keeps telling people "Pay no attention to the neocon behind the curtain". Have you watched him over the last few years? Like Lieberman, Biden's attempt to mask what he really does is becoming more hollow all the time. Biden- Lieberman by another name.
He justified his war vote by saying " we should support compelling Iraq to make good on its obligations to the United Nations." This is why he can joke and laugh with Condi.

Weapons of Mass Destruction:
Who Said What When

If we wait for the danger to become clear, it could be too late.

Sen. Joseph Biden D-Del., September 4, 2002
http://www.counterpunch.org/wmd05292003.html



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Letter of 100 on Democracy in Russia, September 28, 2004

An Open Letter to the Heads of State and Government
Of the European Union and NATO
September 28, 2004

(snip)
… we are deeply concerned that these tragic events are being used to further undermine democracy in Russia. Russia's democratic institutions have always been weak and fragile. Since becoming President in January 2000, Vladimir Putin has made them even weaker. He has systematically undercut the freedom and independence of the press, destroyed the checks and balances in the Russian federal system, arbitrarily imprisoned both real and imagined political rivals, removed legitimate candidates from electoral ballots, harassed and arrested NGO leaders, and weakened Russia's political parties. In the wake of the horrific crime in Beslan, President Putin has announced plans to further centralize power and to push through measures that will take Russia a step closer to authoritarian regime.
We are also worried about the deteriorating conduct of Russia in its foreign relations. President Putin's foreign policy is increasingly marked by a threatening attitude towards Russia's neighbors and Europe's energy security, the return of rhetoric of militarism and empire, and by a refusal to comply with Russia's international treaty obligations. In all aspects of Russian political life, the instruments of state power appear to be being rebuilt and the dominance of the security services to grow. We believe that this conduct cannot be accepted as the foundation of a true partnership between Russia and the democracies of NATO and the European Union.
These moves are only the latest evidence that the present Russian leadership is breaking away from the core democratic values of the Euro-Atlantic community. All too often in the past, the West has remained silent and restrained its criticism in the belief that President Putin's steps in the wrong direction were temporary and the hope that Russia would soon return to a democratic and pro-Western path. Western leaders continue to embrace President Putin in the face of growing evidence that the country is moving in the wrong direction and that his strategy for fighting terrorism is producing less and less freedom. We firmly believe dictatorship will not and cannot be the answer to Russia's problems and the very real threats it faces.
The leaders of the West must recognize that our current strategy towards Russia is failing. Our policies have failed to contribute to the democratic Russia we wished for and the people of this great country deserve after all the suffering they have endured. It is time for us to rethink how and to what extent we engage with Putin's Russia and to put ourselves unambiguously on the side of democratic forces in Russia. At this critical time in history when the West is pushing for democratic change around the world, including in the broader Middle East, it is imperative that we do not look the other way in assessing Moscow's behaviour or create a double standard for democracy in the countries which lie to Europe's East. We must speak the truth about what is happening in Russia. We owe it to the victims of Beslan and the tens of thousands of Russian democrats who are still fighting to preserve democracy and human freedom in their country.

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Uzi Arad Timothy Garton Ash Anders Aslund
Ronald D. Asmus Rafael L. Bardaji Wladyslaw Bartoszewski

Arnold Beichman Jeff Bergner Joseph R. Biden
Carl Bildt Max Boot Ellen Bork
Pascal Bruckner Mark Brzezinski Reinhard Buetikofer

Janusz Bugajski Michael Butler Martin Butora
Daniele Capezzone Per Carlsen Gunilla Carlsson
Ivo Daalder Massimo D'Alema Pavol Demes
Larry Diamond Peter Dimitrov Thomas Donnelly
Nicholas Eberstadt Uffe Elleman-Jensen Helga Flores Trejo

Francis Fukuyama Jeffrey Gedmin Bronislaw Geremek
Carl Gershmann Marc Ginsberg Andre Glucksmann
Phil Gordon Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg
Istvan Gyarmati Pierre Hassner Vaclav Havel
Richard C. Holbrooke Toomas Ilves Bruce Jackson
Donald Kagan Robert Kagan Craig Kennedy
Penn Kemble Glenys Kinnock Bernard Kouchner
Jerzy Kozminski Ivan Krastev William Kristol
Girts Valdis Kristovskis Ludger Kuehnhardt Mart Laar
Vytautas Landsbergis Stephen Larrabee
Mark Leonard Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger
Tod Lindberg Tom Malinowski
Will Marshall Margarita Mathiopoulos
Clifford May John McCain Michael McFaul
Matteo Mecacci Mark Medish Thomas O. Melia
Sarah E. Mendelson Michael Mertes Ilir Meta
Adam Michnik Richard Morningstar Joshua Muravchik

Klaus Naumann Dietmar Nietan James O'Brien
Janusz Onyszkiewicz Cem Ozdemir Can Paker
Mark Palmer Martin Peretz Friedbert Pflueger
Danielle Pletka Florentino Portero Samantha Ravich
Janusz Reiter Alex Rondos Jim Rosapepe
Jacques Rupnik Eberhard Sandschneider
Randy Scheunemann Christian Schmidt
Gary Schmitt Simon Serfaty Stephen Sestanovich

Radek Sikorski Stefano Silvestri Martin Simecka
Gary Smith Abraham Sofaer James Steinberg
Gary Titley Ivan Vejvoda Sasha Vondra
Celeste Wallander Ruth Wedgood Richard Weitz

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/russia-20040928.htm

I remember that, way back when.
Ever since then, he seems to be something of a kiss ass.

Thanks Joe, you lameass.

Only Boxer and Kerry voted no. If my friend has the story accurately.

no furhter explanation needed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6837779/

Its disgusting. Who are the Democrats? Who are the corporate supporters? Who are the ones that are keeping the people of the world from advancing with a standard of living, a quality of life which the earth can sustain...who keep us on the Oil Teat, when we have the alternative fuel source ready to utilize.

There is more going on here than any of you realize.

Why are we dealinng with fascism? What do these groups stand to win or lose? Why now? Why are they expanding their power over the masses?

THINK.

Talks a good game-seems progressive-but thinks Bush is a swell guy and won't rock the boat too much.