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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:40 AM
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Canadians swiftly hand-count their 13 million ballots


From 2000 but still applies....

The Canadians are trying to get a quick, accurate count, -- while those who have stealthily placed the current voting systems in 99% of the counties in the USA were not concerned with speed or with accuracy – they were only concerned with having a voting system that could be easily rigged from a central location, and would have the feature of taking the ballots out of the sight of the voters where the voter’s ballots could be switched with pre-punched or pre-marked ballots prepared in advance by the Election Thieves.

By DAVID CRARY
The Associated Press
11/28/00 12:58 PM


Snip...The "Ruling Elite", through their five Big TV Networks, AP wire service, and two major papers, the New York Times and Washington Post, are making peaceful change impossible at the ballot box, -- via Vote Fraud, Media Censorship, and Poll Fraud, and the flood of illegal aliens who are becoming registered voters . . . President Kennedy talked about this:

SNIP....The three prongs of Big Media election manipulation are: Massive coverage of favored Candidates, and Censorship of all other candidates -- including warped Public Opinion Polls for months before the election; phony exit polls done by joint effort of the Big TV Networks on Election Day, and easily rigged computerized vote counting on election day -- which make the polls and exit polls come true. (On election day, the people are barred from touching or counting their ballots, the election officials are barred from knowing what is in the software program that instructs the computers how to count the votes.)



http://www.votefraud.org/News/2000/11/112700.html
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WearyOne Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:09 AM
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1. there is absolutely no need for computer voting. Most of Europe
and the UK get by with paper votes. It works and so hard to defraud.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:44 AM
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2. The reason why you have the need is because of complicated issues
put on the ballots. I've counted in election. We just have a piece of paper that lists all the candidates names - for your riding - and that is it.

We don't vote directly for the Prime Minister. We vote for local party candidates. And that is it.

It does take about - well less than one hour - to count the votes by hand and call them in.

Your votes are more complicated. And though that does not mean computers necessarily - it is likely why there is such a push for computers.

Do not loose heart. VOTE!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:08 PM
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4. It's to complicated to count votes by hand?
"it is likely why there is such a push for computers". Stealing elections is more likely the reason they want secret vote counting machines. Convincing people its to complicated to count votes by hand is part of the plan to getting the election theft machines put in place.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:58 AM
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9. Being neocons - they wedge. They are not immune to using the
"fear of new technology" and all the tricks they play in so many other ways in so many ridings...to wedge one democrat from the other - as we all look with fear at the neocons and read into it what makes most sense to us.

I see the neocons as adept at wedging to get just 3% of the black vote on abortion, and then there is the 35% who are mostly democrats who never vote - I think they would like to up that number - create more apathy.

Look for the cons to not fix the voter transparency issue any time soon.

Likewise they may try and wedge Israeli hawks. And of course - by not giving an amnesty to illigal immigrants - get rid of future democrats by creating "guest workers".

I hope - if people like you and me were to meet on election day - that we would get along even if we didn't agree on the details of diebold.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:46 AM
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3. In Australia (20 million) we start counting at 6pm, winner known by 11pm.
electronic or mechanized voting of ANY kind is open to failure and fraud. Get rid of all machines, counters, levers and software.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:24 PM
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5. Yes, The old "Australian ballot"
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 01:26 PM by kster
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:08 PM
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6. Canadians = Competence
Also, they refreshingly expect honesty in their elections, and will tolerate nothing else. Here's to you, my Southern neighbors. (From Detroit. Look at the map).

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:55 PM
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7. Our goal for 2006, lets catch up with Canada.
This is the strategy. There will come a time in the next few months when the lid blows off of the election fraud story. There is too much out in too many places to keep the lid on and * is so unpopular there is a ready audience.

Well, here' the solution. They can do it it Canada and they can do it in Britain, so lets do it here...full frontal paper! hand counted by bank tellers or others skilled at sorting and counting. It can be done in high school gyms and everybody can watch. Sherriffs can transport the ballot boxes, they can be sotored in the police evidence room, it can be video taped from start to finish.

THAT'S THE SOLUTION!

RECOMMENDED!!! STRONGLY.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:26 PM
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8. This is the single most important issue facing our nation.
If Canada and other countries can hand count, so can we.

Thanks for posting this.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:59 AM
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10. On top of everything else, touchscreen voting actually COSTS MORE!!!
It's yet another insult on top of the destruction of the US democracy--WE HAVE PAID A FORTUNE TO SET UP A HACKABLE FRAUD-VULNERABLE SYSTEM:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x396623
thread title (10/10/05): Touchscreen Voting Increases Annual Election Costs by 40%
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:42 AM
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11. Another link re: Canada. ALSO: MAINE hand counts ~ 80% of its ballots!
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