New Yorkers: "Gimme a Piece of Paper" - Democratic Underground

Wilms

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Wed Dec-28-05 09:10 PM
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New Yorkers: "Gimme a Piece of Paper"

In New York City, a number of groups, and individuals, including New Yorkers for Verified Voting, wheresthepaper.org, and Democracy for NYC, have been working to prevent DRE's from being purchased, favoring Op Scans instead.

A recent success includes the Testimony of Council Member Bill Perkins.

What is worse, we are jeopardizing government’s credibility with the public, the transparency and accountability of future elections, and even the legitimacy of our system of government.

http://www.wheresthepaper.org/HAVATESTIMONYSTATEBOARD.pdf

Also, a resolution was introduced before the City Council.

Res. No. 1301
By Council Members Perkins, Barron, Jackson and Monserrate

Resolution urging the New York State Board of Elections to promptly certify precinct based/optical scan voting systems for procurement by the local Boards of Elections and urging the New York City Board of Elections to select a PB/OS system as the new voting technology for the City of New York.

http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textfiles/Res%201301-2005.htm?CFID=557179&CFTOKEN=59231373

It's a good read that I'm sure GuvWorld would appreciate.

Advice offered by New Yorkers for Verified Voting would apply elsewhere, too.

Working to pass resolutions at your local county level is a highly effective way to inform your local legislators about the costs and security concerns of touch screen voting machines. While non-binding, they make a strong statement to the state officials who will make decisions about what voting equipment we use in New York.

http://www.nyvv.org/resolutions.shtml

New Yorkers for Verified Voting
http://www.nyvv.org

wheresthepaper.org
http://www.wheresthepaper.org

Democracy for NYC
http://www.dfnyc.org/cms/node/87372?PHPSESSID=9089a48d58faaac61760366771c42cd3

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aquart

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Wed Dec-28-05 09:13 PM
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1. I thought op scans were also easily hackable?

Why do we have to buy ANY of these Republican machines?

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Talismom

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Wed Dec-28-05 09:16 PM
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2. That's what I'm wondering too. n/t

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Jane Austin

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Wed Dec-28-05 09:20 PM
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3. The excerpt specified precinct-based scanners. That should be a lot

more reliable.

If more votes than voters showed up, for instance, they'd know it at the precinct level.

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Wilms

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Wed Dec-28-05 09:40 PM
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4. OpScans are hackable.

But they're testable and auditable. The ballot used is hand-countable...if you can get a hand-count.

So I reluctantly applaud their use of DRE's.

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Bill Bored

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Wed Dec-28-05 11:50 PM
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5. Oh yeah!

Gee, after working on this for about 6 months with the groups linked to in the original post, I can tell you it's a victory. Perhaps a small one, but a victory nevertheless!

The resolution is very well written too and before we start bashing the op scans, keep in mind that NY State has a mandatory random auditing law, and a law that permits full hand counts when the outcome of an election is uncertain. Can these laws be improved? Sure, but compared to the chaos and uncertainty in some other states, NY is a walk in the park.

The Op Scan hack in FL was aimed at fighting a law that made hand counts illegal except for overvotes and undervotes in close elections. There are some people fighting hard down there and hacking Op Scans may be one way to change things. This doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater, does it?

Voter-verified paper ballots are still the way to go, even if initially counted by scanners.

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