BBV needs help in proving Diebold illegally programmed.

Here is the message from BBV:

(Permission to forward and reprint granted, with link to http://www.blackboxvoting.org)

You might be the one to help us crack this case.

At issue: A YES-NO question: Do Diebold touch-screens have a problem similar to that
identified in the Black Box Voting project in Leon County, Florida -- the devastating hack
of the Diebold optical scan system. Just a YES-NO question.

Black Box Voting has now obtained certain NEW specific information indicating that
the answer with the touch-screens will be "YES." One of our researchers has identified
an interpreter, which appears to be specifically prohibited by 2002 FEC standards, inside
a Diebold touchscreen system.

What is needed now is to confirm this finding with a "pedigreed" Diebold touch-screen
system - ie., one to which we are given legitimate access with one of our publicly known
experts. We will have to show that what our protected source has found is also present in
a system delivered by Diebold for use in actual elections. This cannot be a stolen system,
a specially souped-up system (i.e. one that Diebold chooses), or a system used without
authorization of its custodians.

Please immediately make contact with those you know to see if you can facilitate a quick
YES-NO examination of an official Diebold touch-screen voting system anywhere in the
United States or Canada. We know what we're looking for. We know where it is. We
simply need to confirm that it is ALSO in one of the systems delivered to public officials.

Note that in July, Diebold sent "threat" letters to its customers, warning them not to allow
examination of their systems. However, in December Black Box Voting was shown to be
correct when we alleged that there was executable code and an interpreter in the optical
scan machines/memory cards. Diebold lied, under oath and in writing, to secretaries of state
and purchasing officials about this. Now, the entire Diebold product line has been called
into question, and we believe our findings will soon spill over into other vendors' products
as well.

Following our demonstration in Leon County, Florida, California refused to certify Diebold.
Pennsylvania has now refused to certify Diebold. Diebold has now been dropped from
counties in Florida and Missouri. Diebold has refused to give its source code to North Carolina,
most likely due to the NC requirement that allows POLITICAL PARTIES to examine the source
code, which would risk revealing the problems exposed by the Black Box Voting projects
conducted with Harri Hursti and others.

If you may be able to help with this project, please call Bev at (206) 335-7747 or Kathleen at
206-354-5723 or the main office at (425) 793-1030 or send to bev@blackboxvoting.org.
Telephone or send an overnight letter (sent by Fed X but not U.S. Post Office, to 330 SW 43rd
St Suite K PMB 547 Renton WA 98055) The contents of our e-mail was penetrated by an
outsider in late November in connection with confidential plans for upcoming testing,
so we do not recommend that you contact us by e-mail for this particular endeavor.

The sooner the better. It is important to roll back use of ANY MACHINES WITH PROHIBITED
CODE well in advance of the 2006 elections, in order to allow local jurisdictions to make
other plans.

:popcorn:

Ommmmm....

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

(opens umbrella, spreads beach towel).

Anyone who can do the work that needs to be done...

and most are more reputable and have a better track record.

NCVoter.net got the toughest anti-BBV law in the nation passed and didn't ask for a single nickel.

organizations are working on FAIR elections and I wouldn't say anthing bad about any of them.

who has repeatedly attacked others fighting this fight.

;-)

Dont give any attention to anything that comes from her thought process....she is an operative for the RNC....

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These are the DU rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

I was just -- by pure chance re-reading them. and stumbled across this--




Im wondering if PUG WHORE fits in here next to rule #4

I might be willing to listen to what BEV has to say-- untill she shoots herself in the foot.

With this Leon county thing she didnt-- she scored big time. SO I'm willing to listen.

SOooooo wheres my popcorn?

I gotta extra Snickers bar-------------

would consider any posting by Bev Harris or her proxies "inflamatory"

would (NOT) consider any post by Bev Harris or her proxies "inflamatory"

I think the sentiment here at DU buy the membership AND admins is agin her.

It was on a system in use in very few counties, outdated and replaced by newer technology.

Check out the NASED certification documents for that firmware number, folks - 1.94 has been LONG replaced.

Yawn...

Your saying the Hursti hack wa sdome on an older unit? With Obsolete Firmware?

PLease give me more-----

Diebold Firmware version 1.96.4 NASED # N-1-06-12-12-002 5/20/2004

http://www.nased.org/NASED_Qualified_Voting_Systems_11_18_05_Paged.pdf (see page 5)

on edit:
and Hursti's hack was on Diebold Precinct-Based Optical Scan 1.94w
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVreport.pdf

:toast:

:hi:

Diebold optical scan machines' hackability (paper ballots) BEFORE going after the paperless touch screen machines.
Shouldn't it have been the other way around? DREs are the biggest threat.

(Edited for emphasis)

to GEMS -- so all systems are vulnerable.

If they establish that opscans have illegal programming (and or can show that the modems inside the Optech Eagles can be activated during an election) then that gives people room to demand hand count of all opscan ballots.

Just because we have paper ballots doesn't mean that they will allow a hand count unless it can be established that this is necessary for all systems.

Just MHO...

I'm just saying that if the tabulators are in question, at least there's paper that people could push to have counted, in the case of Opti-scans.
With DREs, there's nothing to count. I'm just wondering why they didn't go after those first?

If they have a hot lead on illegal opscan programming, perhaps they should go for it. Investigations aren't often tidy - you work a while on one part, then work on a different part, then return...

:shrug:

of the Opti-scans.
B*v and Howard Dean hacked one on television.
As Andy used to say, we need paper ballots first, so at least there's something to count.

B*v already screwed CA over with her qui tam suit against Diebold, so I'm extremely wary of her.

another test. This threads got to hit the greatest page for more people to see. As Garbeck says down the thread Diebold has been booted out of Leon County because of their last test.

Isn't that the point of this message from BBV.org?

In June, they filed a 19202 Request to try the hack on Diebolds in CA. McPherson is in violation of that Request.
Here's what they applied to examine:

"On June 16, 2005, Black Box Voting sent a request to examine the Diebold Election Systems component: the programmed "electronic ballot box" memory cards used in optical scan and touch screen voting systems ("Component")."

Doesn't sound like it addresses any firmware issues, but it would be a good start.

... I think I already recommended this thread. If I haven't another vote will be coming up. ;)

(Edited for clarity)

you can like or hate Bev, but no one can deny the accomplishments of the organization. Would Leon county have diebold today?

peace on earth

n/t

All you have to do is look at the evidence.

*IF* Bev succeeded in anything in Leon County, compare this to Joyce McCloy in NC. She drove Diebold out of the entire state. And she did it for no money down, no monthly payments and with zero percent interest.

nt

many of the accomplishments of the organization include scamming people like us, like the Freepers, like anyone Bev can get a few bucks from. That some of her crusades may help our cause a little is merely incidental to her real goal which is scamming money from people.

...and I don't know that I'll ever completely forgive her for how she went drama queeen postal on Andy. But 'pug whore?

it gives here way too much credit.

ESPECIALLY WHAT I KNOW ABOUT BEV !!

particularly , the last protion of your statement!!

the RNC operatice part...

THAT SHE IS!!

fly

Could anyone out there actually do all the heavy lifting for us. Afterwards we will come in, seize the work for ourselves, claim it as our own, then smear you for getting pissed and calling us on it?

While you're at it, could you send us some spare change?

In 2006, among other projects, Black Box Voting is publishing a new book, focusing on the infrastructure that made this happen. We will delve into 21st Century bribery techniques, and fill you in on the people and procedures that produced the current boondoggle.

The title: BLACK BOX AMERICA

So other people are writing the book? And whose name will go on it?

Anybody who signs on better have a good lawyer go over the contract.

It's "we" until it comes time to sign the check.....then it will only have ONE name on it.

It will be an interesting soap opera to watch when it all hits the fan, doncha think? Two peas in a pod, rushing to screw the other one and everyone who supports them on the way......

After all, he has guns.

:thumbsup:

from the BevBot faction.

and is spit out as something else..but its the same none the less ..more of the same old bullshit promoting a woman with no credibility left..nor should she have!!

fly

This site is becoming exasperating. The fact is that BBV has been spearheading a lot of news. We need to examine what they're telling us. People concerned about our voting systems, OUR election integrity, should feel free to post things to get vetted here without all the mudslinging at them for merely posting a news bulletin that happens to come from BBV.

After what happened to me with the Leon County revelation brought forth by BBV, I personally will never post anything with BBV's name on it here again. And that's a shame.

I do appreciate those who are willing to withstand the killing of the messenger.

Thanks for the OP for posting this news that deserves scrutiny.

Bev Harris screwed over several loved DUers.

Hell, I wouldn't post something from her here anymore than I would brag about being a friend of George W. Bush's.

Sorry...you should have been around for the past few years--it wasn't pretty.

Andy about it for another site. I think I know both sides pretty well.

Don't recall you speaking to me, and you'll pardon if I seem immodest, but I *DO* know a good bit of the story. How many of Bev's victims have you spoken with? There's a good dozen on DU, then about a dozen reporters who could tell you quite another story, and yet another dozen academics who could tell you even more.

David

Look, I don't understand all the computer stuff these guys talk about....I can barely "hack" my own yahoo email....but, I do know this: Bev is way more interested in playing her idea of power games, and her own fame, than she is any voting issue.

Please, explain to me why she uses people's work, and then works to discredit them. Please explain to me what good could possibly come from her ridiculous game playing garbage.

what really went down...or you would not promote bev harris!

and you obviously do not "know" what andy knew....and thats all i will say about it!!

think rnc operative!!

she is a scam manipulator..and does more damage to the election cause than she could or would ever help or give credibility to!!

she destroys the activists credibility that she mani
why elese would she offer to "pay" to be allowed to an election reform forum?????? yes she offered to pay to be able to speak in order to trick more people to her bullshit..she was not allowed..even though she tried to pay her way in!!

go back and read keith olbermans blogs after the election..i dare you!

fly

You never talked to fly.

You never talked to merh, to benburch, to Termite, to goodboy, to mogster, to understandinglife, to Stephanie or to MissWaverly. And others, so many other witnesses.

We can't all be compulsively obsessed nitipickers. At some point, just the sheer volume should make a red flag go up in your mind.

And yet, you feel entitled to trivialize the concerns and the experience of people you haven't even bothered to talk to.

I appreciate your work Einsteinia. But, with all due respect, you are doing yourself and your project a fatal disservice in this regard.

I have done nothing wrong. I interviewed Andy to get the historical record straight as to what his complaints were about Bev, because I've been working on this cause for three years now and was fully aware of the anti-BBV sentiment. I wholeheartedly believed everything, and I've read innumerable posts on this site starting sometime around February of 2004. I got it. Do you all really think you're point of view hasn't been well documented on this site?

I find it nutty that everyone has decided that I'm some Bev-lover when I never said anything of the kind. At the same time, I guess I am to be tarred and feathered because I never said I hated her.

I speak only for myself and not for any group or movement or project.

What I am interested in is exposing the election fraud as soon as possible. In that regard, I'm delighted that someone (BBV) hired Harry Hursti to conduct a hack on the Leon County voting equipmentm, and I am pushing for that same test to happen in California.

If any of you are going to do that test for Calfiornia, please let me know. I'll be happy to support you in those efforts.

But you do seem to believe she is actually on our side. She isn't, she is on Bev's side. I really wish I could help out in CA, but I have my hands full in NC.

Bev Harris remains a very raw wound for lots of people on this board.

that your dismissiveness hasn't and won't build any bridges here.

is the latest hype designed to put money in her pocket.

It distracts from the people doing REAL work who aren't looking to pick people's pockets.

not at the posts

"After what happened to me with the Leon County revelation brought forth by BBV, I personally will never post anything with BBV's name on it here again. And that's a shame".

Don't be afraid of posting a BBV thread. There are a lot of us that will read and vote on it. We look past all the stupidity, just post it grab the :popcorn: and watch your thread from a distance, if you are uncomfortable posting good news from BBV PM me and I will post it.

After all I am a "Bevbot Faction" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

been totally fucked by her..then we can share notes!! and that day will come..those of us here who have experienced it or know many that have can assure you of that!!

the leopards don't change their spots... no matter how much you wish it!

she is an rnc operative...

fly

and have to get burned one on one, fly........all we can do is stand back and watch.

If they know the truth and continue, we've done all we can.

The important thing is to repeat the truth in every BBV thread on DU for unsuspecting newbies before they get hoodwinked by Bev. For those who have been warned and go into the spider web anyway, we've done all we can.

but you can not make it drink...

in this case its the newbie drinking themselves to death with contaminated poison water!!

as my son says..whatever....if they want to drown with the non credible..so be it...
but they just better not expect those of us who do know..and for all of those wonderful people who have been on the ground doing the incredible work...to follow this witch into loosing credibility with her!

its too dang important to all of us and our nation to be sold out by the few who do not know or understand the manipulative, sick,& pathetic person who has no credibility left!

Our job is to educate the unwary, not prevent the folks determined to get burned from leaping into the fire.

I hope you had a good one.

:hug:

The royal "we" now, kster? You know, that grifter uses the very same rhetorical strategy when she's marginalizing someone she cannot answer.

What part of the beef with the grifter is "stupidity" in your considered opinion? What exactly are you and Einsteinia able to overlook so easily that it seems "stupid" to you?

Stealing>

Lying?

Smearing?

Hounding a dying elections activist?

I can wait.

If you read stevepol thread again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=406995&mesg_id=406995

It does not ask us one time for our opinion on Bev's personality, but yet some people keep posting things about Bev's personality.

"We" the nine that voted this thread up consider it important enough to put it on the greatest page so that more people can read it. "We" even with the negative Bev post have overlooked them post,and voted this thread up. The negative bev stupidity JUST AIN'T WORKING anymore.

If they go to GD and post something like "What do you think of Bev" that would be more sensible, but thats not the case.

Stevepol sorry for wasting a post in your very important thread.

And it's one I've put to you before.

What part of stealing, lying, smearing and stalking are you not understanding?

Do you think this is some kind of a game? Is elections reform a game to you? What about election reform activists? Is their welfare important to you?

What about building trust, building a braintrust in the movement? Are those things important to you?

Because those are the things you toss overboard when you defend that grifter.

Those things aren't nutty or silly or stupid. Those things make our work together possible.

You may really not realize this. And, others may not really get it -- others that somehow have managed to miss the terrible destructiveness that grifter has committed right here in this forum. To readers of this forum.

And if this grifter continues to be promoted in this forum, I promise you there will be more shit and more victims. And less productive work and fewer strong bonds in our community.

Does that sound stupid to you?

If you read stevepol thread again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It does not ask us one time for our opinion on Bev's personality, but yet some people keep posting things about Bev's personality.

"We" the nine that voted this thread up consider it important enough to put it on the greatest page so that more people can read it. "We" even with the negative Bev post have overlooked them post,and voted this thread up. The negative bev stupidity JUST AIN'T WORKING anymore.

If they go to GD and post something like "What do you think of Bev" that would be more sensible, but thats not the case.

Stevepol sorry for wasting a post in your very important thread.

And, you have so far failed to address any of the questions I've put to you.

On edit: Do you have any first hand experience with that grifter?

So I went ahead and looked it up.

Definitions
stalker
noun

1. Someone who stalks, especially game.
2. Someone who follows another person, often with a sinister purpose.

http://www.allwords.com/wavpage.php?word=stalker&file=stalker.wav

But again what the hell does this have to do with Stevepoll thread.

If you read stevepol thread again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

It does not ask us one time for our opinion on Bev's personality, but yet some people keep posting things about Bev's personality.

"We" the nine that voted this thread up consider it important enough to put it on the greatest page so that more people can read it. "We" even with the negative Bev post have overlooked them post,and voted this thread up. The negative bev stupidity JUST AIN'T WORKING anymore.

If they go to GD and post something like "What do you think of Bev" that would be more sensible, but thats not the case.

Stevepol sorry for wasting a post in your very important thread.

I've only talked about her behavior IN THIS MOVEMENT and TOWARD OTHER ACTIVISTS.

Do you advise activists to entrust their limited resources to someone who notoriously abuses them?

Who steals from them?

Who lies to them?

Who smears them?

Who stalks them?

And I wonder who you have to be to discount all the first hand accounts that you have had the privilege to read and call them "stupidity"?

Do you have any first hand experience with that grifter?

Most posters to this forum know why.

So, I can wait for you to consider the questions I have raised. And, I'm glad for all the votes this thread got, so more DUers will read them.

You take your time.

sfexpat2000 (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-15-05 11:39 PM
Original message

I would like to suggest a practical solution to the BEVWORLD derailing

Can we just agree to post any information from BW as a report rather than as fan mail?

If BH is the idealistic elections reformer that some claim she is, she will value the information being disseminated over the cult of her personality.

If she is not, we are not enabling her dysfunction.

We really need to get over this (yes, **I'm saying it**) because there is so much work to do.

What do you think? If we follow this plan, every report from BBV will be credited AND inspected just as we inspect the reports we get from any outlet. It will cut off these endlessly distressing conversations about the rise and decline of BEVWORLD.

We have so much work to do. Can we please come up with a plan? There is so much we can do together.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=405271&mesg_id=405271

I'm still waiting for you to address the questions that have been raised with you on this thread, the ones you have been dancing around -- those.

You may have some great answers.

Thanks in advance,
Beth

i am in fla..in a large county..i had a team ready to go to work with the grifter after the gen election..i had been a poll watcher for the primaries..i was a poll watcher at large one of only 2 in my county..i was also a poll watcher in the Aug primaries..

i had a team of people set up to go to work here in fla..i contacted over and over the grifter...and got only one reply..
i was a poll watcher throughout the entire early vote and for the general election...and had lists of problems documented..

i was told by the grifter in one email...that i would be contacted when her team got to fla...

so you know when i got contacted..with an entire team set up to go to work??

none..zero..zip zilch....

never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

any part of that you don't get??????????

and our county soe had a box in the soe office of absentee ballots that sat under a desk in the soe office that never got certified in the state..my county very late gave the state (and just happened to be "found") ..the votes for the gambling in fla...
my county has a soe who's husband works for sequoia who she bought our machines from and her husband has nefarious ties with kashoggi...

so where was the grifter???????????

so the grifter comes once and never stays for a test we ran on the machines dec 8th 2004..

i was one of 10 testers...

5 of us voted and we had 5 overseers checking how the voter voted the paper the votes were on...

i was a voter...and the first 3 pages of votes i voted did not register votes for kerry...
1st paper took 3 times for kerry vote to show up...
2nd paper it took 5 times for kerry vote to show up..
3rd paper it took 9 times...for this vote i had the overseer do the vote..
it was all filmed...

and yet the grifter was no where to be found...with all her so called foia bullshit..


and yet the next day in the paper it said there were no problems with the test...none..zero...

and where was the grifter..nowhere to be found!
but she sure had our money!!

so ya know..bullshit is bullshit...

the grifter hurt us more here in fla than any one person could!!

we waited for her..she told us to wait for her..with her foia..

we would have really accomplished something if we had done it all ourselves,.

but nooooo she was the expert going to come in and guide us and help us..bullshit!!!!!!!!!!

she had our money ..and we had nothing to show for it...when time was of the essence...the grifter was nowhere to be found!

and that is only one very small example of how the grifter hurt fla...

many others i refuse to discuss because that witch files suit on a pimple on your ass!

you will find out..and its obvious you will find out the hard way....

you have been warned..and told..and you choose to ignore what the rest of us have experienced and dealt with...now its your tough titties...

get screwed your own way...you obviously have a wish to be screwed...

have at it!!

but don't come back here with alligator tears...we warned you...
the grifter would screw her mother for a dime....you will find out..everyone who works with her does!!

the grifter is a rnc tool...you can look the other way and ignor..but the rest of us will not and anything that witch says has no consequences to what the people
do ing the real work give a shit about...she is using the newbies to try to rehabilitate herself..and it just won't work with those of us who have experienced her!

i will say it again to you..go back in keith olbermans archives and see it for yourself!!

just try to get a comment from randi rhodes..about the grifter...

but if you choose to ignore the facts and truth..you will pay the consequences!!

once you have damaged your credibility ..there is very little left!!

fly

I am very curious to see exactly how much money she actually raised to recount Florida. How many Randi Rhodes listeners donated. How many DUers? Kossacks? It's going to be fascinating to see what amount was raised and then try to find out what's been done with it. Certainly it wasn't used for the stated purpose. Where's the money, Bev? Show me the money.

BBV's IRS filing is supposed to be publicly available as of January 15. Someone might want to let Randi know.

Now that's an endorsement.

If you folks think this is important, great for you. If you want other people on DU to share that view, good luck!

That's a very strange sentiment, coming from someone interested in election reform.

:eyes:

I'll take my time but, I LUV your idea its PERFECT
sfexpat2000 (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-15-05 11:39 PM
Original message

I would like to suggest a practical solution to the BEVWORLD derailing

Can we just agree to post any information from BW as a report rather than as fan mail?

If BH is the idealistic elections reformer that some claim she is, she will value the information being disseminated over the cult of her personality.

If she is not, we are not enabling her dysfunction.

We really need to get over this (yes, **I'm saying it**) because there is so much work to do.

What do you think? If we follow this plan, every report from BBV will be credited AND inspected just as we inspect the reports we get from any outlet. It will cut off these endlessly distressing conversations about the rise and decline of BEVWORLD.

We have so much work to do. Can we please come up with a plan? There is so much we can do together.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thanks. Apparently, you've now avoided two different places in this thread to avoid addressing the issues.

pertinent to this discussion.

You have avoided all of them, all the while disrespecting readers of this forum.

You reposted a suggestion I made, which shows who in this mess is thinking of solutions, not insults.

I think you've given me everything I need.

Thank you.

chin up Beth, Kevin.

The OP wasn't information from BBV that we could evaluate. It was a request for help.

So I don't think it is covered by sfexpat's proposal.

I'm not mad at anyone here -- just thought that point might be worth making.

help the grifter..work your ass off and she steals your work and puts her name on it to rehabilitate herself...

nope..no fools left here..move on bev!

fly

Just to report on my perspective: when people offer specific criticisms of Bev Harris, I am fine with that. It seems to me that you are having trouble distinguishing between Bev, Bev sock puppets, Bev allies, and people who don't think as poorly of Bev as you do. I like to think of ill-focused anger as her hallmark, not her critics'.

I'm out of this thread, so feel free to get in the last word.

accusing folks who disagree with us (politely) of having sinister motives.

Sadly, some people will believe in Bev until they learn the hard way. Fell sorry for them, they have a very NASTY time coming.

Political alliances aren't made between machines but among people.

And in this thread, kster has called people directly harmed by that grifter -- not to mention those of us still struggling with Andy's loss -- "stupid".

Fyi, this first holiday season has been pretty tough for Andy's friends -- for all of us who watched him struggle to get health care for MONTHS while his claim was fucked with by that grifter. And then later, there was the stalking that she cheered on.

Lighten up on kster?

Do you think that's a reasonable request at this moment in time? :)

And, that's my fault.

Rem acu tetigisti!

Any one who "helps" BBV should be very cautious.
Many many folks have helped BBV and paid the price later.

Of course, some folks will think that it must be the "victems" fault that
they got burned by BBV.
Hence, they assume that they are smarter or better and wont
fall prey to BBV.

But since BBV's leader is banned from DU, for things done to activists
who tried to help BBV, and for threatening to sue DU and sue Activists for
using the term BBV cleanup crew, it is not appropriate to
use DU to garner help for BBV.

You could be putting people in jeopardy, or DU in jeopardy of being threatened
with a lawsuit AGAIN.

There are other organizations that can do the same work without attacking other
activists, or you can form one yourself. BBV does not have the market cornered
on electronic voting issues, in case you haven't noticed.

Plus, I know of no other organizations that have a reputation of turning on
each other like BBV.

It really isn't appropriate to use DU for Bev Harris' purpose.
It draws people into a risky situation.

why the heck to you have to get Permission to forward the request?

That seems ridiculous.

what other organization makes sure that every document it has is
stamped with their name across the document in red, or threatens people
to have to get permission to forward requests etc.

What a load of hooey.

thread has turned into a flame war