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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:45 PM
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THIS IS **IT** FOLKS.
KICK THIS HARD AND OFTEN.

fowarded from email.

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Good Friends of Election Integrity:

THIS IS IT, FRIENDS!! If the Busby race goes unchallenged, it will be replayed in 50 more races in November, scattered all over the country like runaway horses, another "shocking Republican trend."

Right now we have in front of us ONE bucking bronco, a race that may or may not have been stolen but whose vulnerability and lack of procedural integrity are manifest. The machines used in District 50 (a blend of OpScans and HAVA-engendered DREs) were taken home and stored by a variety of poll workers, entirely without chain-of-custody protections. This lack of security of course permits switching of memory cards and any other elementary tampering schemes to go undetected.

The GOOD news is that most of the ballots were in fact OpScan counted and therefore can be RECOUNTED. The purpose of such a recount would be to establish the actual margin of verifiable votes (absentee and OpScan), leaving only the far smaller batch of unverifiable DRE ballots out of the count. Depending on the margin of that recount, it may well bring to light gross disparities in the two sets of votes (verifiable and unverifiable), even a flat-out Busby victory (if the DRE ballots can not make up the victory margin). We have seen such disparities before and we expect to see them again, though by November many districts such as this one may well have gone to all-DRE, all-unverifiable systems. We won't have many chances like this one.

Here's what we should all STOP EVERYTHING ELSE to do:

1) Find out the latest on this race and what's being done about it at Bradblog (Brad's taken the lead in sounding the alarm on this race and fully understands its enormous implications not just for the politics of November but for the Electoral Integrity of November):
URL: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002924.htm and updates.

2) Call Busby's office(s) (phone strongly preferred, follow-up with email) and let them know why further action must be taken by them, including demand for such a recount of the verifiable ballots:

Francine Busby for Congress

Cardiff Office - Main Headquarters
2121 Newcastle Ave.
Cardiff by the Sea, CA. 92007
(760)479-0114

Encinitas Office
144-C W. D St.
Encinitas, CA. 92024
(760)753-6300
(866)632-3066 (Toll-Free)
(760)753-5211 (Fax)

Email:
Info@BusbyforCongress.org
Volunteer@BusbyforCongress.org

3) Contact Lou Dobbs, who surprisingly has sounded the alarm, and let him know how the Busby race fits into the grave concerns he has expressed. Ask him to call for such a recount and talk about the appalling lack of even basic security of the voting apparatus. If you can find a phone contact, please share it. By all means, contact other members of the media, but Dobbs should be a primary focus given the recent attention he has paid to this.
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?9

4) Spread the word on this to all you know who might be moved to act. If you have contacts to major groups such as DFA or DNC, use them for this. We see the same pattern over and over. Here, in Busby-Bilbray, we see it in glorious isolation. But it is the model for the electoral fog we are sure to see in November. We need to act on this NOW, all other priorities notwithstanding. We need to act in force.

With great appreciation--Jonathan Simon
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:49 PM
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1. Recommend!
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:52 PM
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2. Kicked and recommended.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:52 PM
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3. Kicked hard!
:kick:
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documaker Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:54 PM
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4. Kick!
San Diego neighborhood watch!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:55 PM
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5. Done
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:55 PM
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6. Anybody know the law on how to get a recount?
I know Busby can obtain one, even if she conceded. (Concessions have no legal force.) In Ohio and other places, there were Green and Libertarian candidates and parties willing to undertake that difficult task--demanding, paying for and implementing a recount. What legal handle do we have as citizens? San Diegans would be best, I would think--people who voted in that district. And what would it cost? Anybody know? I'm not up on the part of California election law.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:04 PM
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14. And anyone knowledgeable, please clarify the situation regarding
Busby and Bilbray in November. I was doing too many things at once to keep up with it. Bilbray won only a temporary seat, and they get a re-match in November? That right? (I'm not saying that WE should take this into consideration--if this is the case--but I imagine Busby will).

The facts so far are just outrageous. They need to be challenged on their face--regardless of political sides or considerations. They are an affront to voters and an assault on our democracy. And Jonathan Simon is right--this WILL continue, if we don't put a firm stop to it now. Can voters take the case to court? Can voters get rules overturned that restrict recounts? It is best to have a legal strategy working in conjunction with a public pressure strategy.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:19 PM
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26. Natural recount law: You can't recount until you COUNT!
The f-ing ballots haven't even been counted yet. I think that's what we have to demand at this point. And if they're counted and Bilbray still wins, then we decide which of the other indications of malfeasance should be pursued.

Count, count, count the ballots! Every last one of them!
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Catbird Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:55 PM
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7. This may be a smoking gun.
We've been finding bullets for years. We've even found some guns. But this one may still be smoking.:dem: :dem: :dem:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:54 PM
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19. And it may not be....
There is a dilemma involved in these exercises as we learnt in New Hampshire in 2004. If we do a recount and the election was not rigged then it becomes evidence of why we are wrong. This needs to be handled somewhat delicately in my view...
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:16 PM
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25. Good point. EOM
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:56 PM
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8. Kick
:kick:
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:57 PM
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9. Done!
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:57 PM
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10. K and R n/t
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:57 PM
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11. DONE!
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:58 PM
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12. the line up and....
the kick.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 03:58 PM
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13. made the call, answering machine. k&r.
Thanks for putting this out here. WHy did she concede? Does anyone have a clue? If there are, as brad says, 65,000 absentees still uncounted, and she lost by 4000 why on earth wouldn't she at least wait for the count?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:05 PM
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15. don't know why she conceded, but remember what Boxer did when
we hit her with emails and phone calls?

anyone would respond if the influx is great enough.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:08 PM
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17. That was my question also. Maybe someone can explain?
Ithink it's great that Lou Dobbs is reporting on this issue. If he gets onto it, he won't let go. He should have some of the people who have been working so hard on this, on the show.

I will email him and thank him for his coverage ~

:kick: because this is so important.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:21 PM
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54. Not all of those uncounted ballots are in Busby's district;
The 65,000 includes all of San Diego County, which has portions of at least 4 Congressional districts.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:07 PM
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16. Sent my email to Dobbs.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 04:24 PM
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18. Kicked and nominated
And emailed!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:06 PM
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20. My emails to Dobbs and to Busby:
Dear Mr. Dobbs,

What I have heard so far about the election in San Diego (Bilbray vs. Busby) is so outrageous that I can hardly believe it—election workers taking these notoriously insecure and hackable Diebold voting machines HOME overnight, just before the election, breaking all chain of custody rules. These machines are not just insecure and hackable, they are controlled by a Bushite corporation, using ‘TRADE SECRET,” PROPRIETARY programming code—code so secret that not even our Secretary of State is permitted to review it. It takes only one hacker and a couple of minutes to completely alter totals in these voting machines and central tabulators, leaving no trace. To compound the insecurity and hackability and non-transparency and partisan ownership and control of these machines with the ADDITIONAL insecurity of violation of chain of custody is beyond belief! I’ve also heard that a huge number of absentee and provisional ballots had yet to be counted when the Secretary of State (a Diebold advocate and a Schwarzenegger appointee) declared the race for Bilbray.

The voting public is entitled to transparent elections. Transparent elections are not difficult. People vote, and you count the votes in public view. But as the result of corruption in Congress—the so-called “Help America Vote Act” and its $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle, engineered by the biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (abetted by Bilderberg ‘Democrat’ Christopher Dodd)--we have come so far away from transparency that we are now entering the realm of tyranny.

Justice and the bottom-line principles of our democracy demand a full and transparent recount. Busby should request it. It will be more difficult—if not impossible—for citizens and voters to get one.

I was glad that Busby did so well in non-transparent conditions. But, with Bushite corporations like Diebold and ES&S running things, what can we expect as a result, except more Bushism?

Your site asks, is my comment today "positive" or "negative"? I said "positive" because I think we have a window of opportunity to get rid of these election theft machines before the boot comes down--if only good and objective commentators like yourself will help us do it. We, the people, are in great need of your help on this matter. Please help us to restore our right to vote.

Yours sincerely,
XXXX

_________

Dear Francine Busby: (--essentially the same letter, but for anyone wanting to use it, or parts of it, as a prototype, it's tailored for Busby...)

(I told her I am a native Californian and lifelong Dem voter and supporter, etc.)

What I have heard so far about the election in San Diego is so outrageous that I can hardly believe it—election workers taking these notoriously insecure and hackable Diebold voting machines HOME overnight, just before the election, breaking all chain of custody rules. These machines are not just insecure and hackable, they are controlled by a Bushite corporation, using ‘TRADE SECRET,” PROPRIETARY programming code—code so secret that not even our Secretary of State is permitted to review it. It takes only one hacker and a couple of minutes to completely alter totals in these voting machines and central tabulators, leaving no trace. To compound the insecurity and hackability and non-transparency and partisan ownership and control of these machines with the ADDITIONAL insecurity of violation of chain of custody is beyond belief! I’ve also heard that a huge number of absentee and provisional ballots had yet to be counted when the Secretary of State declared the race for Bilbray.

As Californians and Americans, we are entitled to transparent elections. Transparent elections are not difficult. People vote, and you count the votes in public view. But as the result of corruption in Congress—the so-called “Help America Vote Act” and its $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle, engineered by the biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (abetted by Bilderberg ‘Democrat’ Christopher Dodd)--we have come so far away from transparency that we are now entering the realm of tyranny.

How can you trust these machines in these circumstances? How can you trust these machines in ANY circumstances? You have every right to challenge the results of this so-called vote count, and to demand a recount, and it would be in the public interest to do so. It will be far more difficult—if not impossible—for citizens and voters to do it. Justice and the bottom-line principles of our democracy, and of good government, demand a full and transparent recount.

Congratulations on doing so well in non-transparent conditions! I applaud your effort. But, with Bushite corporations like Diebold and ES&S running things, what can we expect as a result, except more Bushism?

Yours sincerely,
XXXX
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:13 PM
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21. Kick
:kick:

Something SMELLS in Californ-eye-ay
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:16 PM
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22. K&R- Hand counts NOW!!! Democracy NOW!!!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:36 PM
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23. A stupid question here
Was there any exit polling done at CA-50?
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:43 PM
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30. Not a stupid question...

There were no exit polls in CA 50 that I know of.

CA SoS McPherson had planned to do exit polls himself in this election in selected areas. He had the money good to go, a Sacramento source tells me, but decided not to at the last minute.

Go figure, huh?

Brad
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:50 PM
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31. So, it's just up to the SoS?
Probably knowing that there are legions of statisticians out there waiting for exit poll and election results, I guess this is not surprising.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:57 PM
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60. Would someone take on investigating this further?
Did someone put the screws to McPherson to call of the exit polling, or did he (once again) screw us himself?
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 10:45 PM
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94. BradBlog.com is on it...in case you didn't know...but...

...Others, I am told, will likely be jumping in as well soon. At least they've told me as much. I can only hope they mean it, cuz I could use a much bigger boat!

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 05:57 PM
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24. I called Busby's office. I live in Carlsbad. I told them I want to
ensure my vote is counted!!!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:32 PM
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28. Thanks so much, BigBearJohn
:yourock:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:45 PM
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46. So do you my dear!!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:30 PM
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27. K&R(nt)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:42 PM
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29. Jonathan's request is getting highly circulated. I found nearly a dozen
copies from different sources. Woo Hoo. Thanks for posting this Gary!
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:39 PM
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45. the internet may be our last hope. n/t
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:54 PM
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32. My email to Dobbs
Thank you for your recent coverage of the problems with electronic voting machines.

I'm writing to implore you to give coverage to the questionability of the results of the Busby/Bilbray Congressional race in San Diego County, CA.

Tens of thousands of votes remained uncounted when Bilbray was declared the winner--far more than his supposed margin of victory. He may in fact be the victor, but that cannot yet be known. It also cannot be known because there were significant problems with voting machine security--volunteer pollworkers taking machines home before the election, absence of "security tape" over crucial orifices of voting machines, etc. The paper optical scan ballots must be counted to see if a clear winner can be determined.

As I believe you understand, electronic voting machines *guarantee inconclusive election results.* We the People do not accept the results of this election.

Please help this story get out. The American people need to know what's going on before it's too late! On the off chance that it isn't already too late, we must all do everything we can--right now.

Thank you.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 06:56 PM
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33. Yep. This is it.
Robert Kennedy last week. The election this week. The Hursti hack. The Funk action. Its all coming together and its right on the edge... all it needs is a little push.
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sean in iowa Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:02 PM
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34. BE CAREFUL: REMEMBER BALLOT SECURITY
San Diego had a high-profile "parallel election" in the mayor's race last year. The result showed a discrepancy from the official count. So the losing candidate, Judy Alter, got a recount which vindicated the Diebold op-scan total. No one had seemed to question the paper ballot chain of custody. And San Diego, as we all know, is CA-50!!

If you are willing to posit computer tabulation fraud, you should give equal weight to simple paper fraud. So if you ask for a recount, make sure that no one has already had time to fix the paper ballots!!!

After all, the vendors do quite a lot of plain old ballot printing for op-scan counties; see two examples.

1) Diebold

See the full article; it's a must read. But here is a sample:

The Dean's ballot printing company was acquired by Diebold in the Global Election Systems acquisition.


2) ES&S

Again, the full article is a must-read, but here is a quote that nails the issue:

Meanwhile early voting began in Indiana and Nebraska. 69 of the 93 counties in Nebraska have no paper ballots from their vendor, ES&S, and no ballot programming for their voting machines. 11 counties in Indiana have the same problems and they are threatening lawsuits. Prebel County Ohio reported they had not gotten their paper ballots. On March 29 the Texas Secretary of State sent an urgent memorandum to all county clerks, elections administrators and county chairs noting that many officials had not received electronic programming or paper ballots for primary runoff elections to be held on April 11.



Be ready for the recount. Know the chain of paper custody, and be ready to cry foul on its weaknesses-or you are setting yourself up to undermine, possibly FATALLY, the cause of election reform. One or two more paper recounts that don't turn up any significant discrepancies will hurt us badly.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:11 PM
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36. I don't think Judy Alter was the candidate
She ran the parallel election. This makes me question how clear you are on the rest of what you present here.
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sean in iowa Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:23 PM
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38. I have the candidate wrong, yes.
Very careless of me. Everything else is sourced. And in the previous parellel election thread, a poster, robinlynne, who seems to know Alter well, acknowledged the legitimacy of this concern. Here is a link to last month's parallel-election thread; look for robinlynne's comments.

Again, I don't intend Cassandraishness or snark. The threat of ballot funny business in a recount is real, as anyone who witnessed Ohio's 2004 recount can attest. That can work to our advanatge, as in Ohio some of the best evidence for fraud came from the shady conduct of the recount. But that documentation was made possible only by vigilant observers.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:03 PM
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35. Busby does not have the authority to concede our democracy!
Edited on Thu Jun-08-06 07:07 PM by emlev
Dear Francine Busby:

Barbara Boxer decided not to join members of the Congressional Black Caucus in challenging the 2000 slate of presidential electors from Florida. On January 6, 2005, right before she joined Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs-Jones to challenge Ohio's slate of electors from the 2004 race, she stated that her decision four years previously had been wrong. She said Al Gore had asked her not to challenge the Florida electors. By 1/6/05 she had realized that it wasn't about Al Gore. It was about Democracy.

The need to challenge the premature announcement of your opponent's supposed victory is not about Francine Busby. It is not about CA-50. It is not even just about California. It's about our Democracy. It's everybody's business.

You prematurely conceded this race. The votes have not been counted. The machines were not secure. The machines cannot be trusted. By standing by your concession, you will be conceding our Democracy. You have no right to do that. Our Democracy belongs to all of us and WE DO NOT CONCEDE!

We are fighting for our Democracy. Your race is the new battleground. Will you stand up for Democratic values? Will you demand a full vote count and an investigation of irregularities? My deep hope is that you will.

Sincerely,

Emily Levy

Note: I served as Project Coordinator for Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. in his precinct-level investigation of the 2004 presidential election in Ohio. I would be happy to help you in any way I can.

(edited to reflect what I actually sent)
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:53 PM
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49. Emlev. I wholeheartedly agree with every word. count on me to back
any plan you have.
a letter signed by a thousand of us?
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:33 AM
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68. Well said, Emily. Someone needs to get face time with Busby.
Anyone have access? Also, we need to mobilize the movement in Southern California (all of California if possible) to step up to lobby Busby, provide their support, and spearhead a volunteer effort for a recount. Not sure of the California's recount specifics but recounts usually cost lots of money: lawyers, fees, recount volunteers, keeping campaign staff on-board, etc..

Emily, you might email CA ER leaders and organize a teleconference (might be a good first use of the collaboration web site too!)

With Bilbray receiving less than 50% (49.33%) of the total reported vote and only 54.26% of the Republican nomination vote, a public ground swell of support for a recount is certainly possible in CA-50.

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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:19 PM
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77. Why recount before they count?
I mean, you wouldn't refrigerate something before you first frigerated it, would you? ;-)
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:30 PM
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78. I stand corrected!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:12 PM
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37. Oakland supervisors just approved a "complete audit" of the Nov. Election
I saw this on KGO TV local news a few minutes ago. This is one of the safeguards that should have been in place in San Diego.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:55 PM
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59. Which November? 2006? And what's their def. of "audit?" EOM
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:23 PM
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39. "Not One Line Of Software Between A Voter And A Valid Election"
Got it .... yet ...

Recommended.


pro-Bu$h = Anti-America
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:24 PM
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40. Been asking over and over what kind of machines they used
Somehow, everyone was talking the politics of the race, no one considered that.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:36 PM
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43. mostly opscans, some DREs, so...
it is possible to get almost a complete recount.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 11:09 PM
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58. Link
San Diego County uses Diebold AccuVote-OS Optical Scan & Diebold AccuVote-TSX Touch Screen.

Voting Systems Used by Counties
http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/voting_systems/gp06_systemsinuse_a.pdf
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:53 AM
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73. Key word here: Diebold. I don't care what technology, they promissed
to "deliver" Ohio to Bush and now they work their way across the country. As long as counting the votes is done by the thieves, the type of machine is barely relevant anymore.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:34 PM
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41. EXCELLENT SUGGESTION from Lynn Landes:
My advice is this - ask all those who voted for Busby to send her a postcard or letter with their name, address, and signature stating that they voted for her. She can use that evidence to challenge election results if need be. A recount of absentee ballots that may have already been tampered will (in all likelihood) not be good enough.

Lynn Landes
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm

We should consider this idea for future elections as well.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:38 PM
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44. we can do even better than that
we need affidavits, as they have legal standing. also, Clint Curtis, running in Florida is going to have a website where people can sign in acknowledge their votes. this kind of stuff has to be done everywhere.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:06 AM
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61. How to combine the strengths of the Landes and Curtis ideas?
Both of these seem useful to me, yet could backfire if there isn't enough juice put into it to get a lot of response. I like the low-tech aspect of Landes's idea. Not sure I trust the mails in this case, though. I like the affidavit part of Curtis's idea, and the ease of doing it over the internet for those who have access (how do they sign, though?), but not the way it excludes those without internet access.

Then I'm thinking of two things that FreePress was involved in in Ohio after someone who shall remain nameless ran off with a very big piece of stolen property in November 2004:

1) In one precint where the voter turnout was reportedly so high it meant (if I remember the exact number correctly) that only 24 registered voters had not voted, they canvassed the precinct and got affidavits from more voters than that who swore they had not voted. How about canvassing whole precincts in San Diego and matching the findings to precinct counts? (This could be done by providing voters with a ballot that they could put into the canvasser's ballot box so their report of their vote would be anonymous. Sort of a slow-mo parallel election.)

2) They held hearings for the public to come and testify about their experiences voting. This was particularly useful in bringing out stories of disenfranchisement. It also can help build momentum. I haven't heard anything yet about disenfranchisement tactics being used in San Diego. If you have, please post it.

These ideas are off the top of my head, and I put them here hoping to involve you all in brainstorming what beyond Jonathan Simon's great suggestions would be most worth our while to do. I welcome your thoughts.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:46 PM
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47. I voted for her and so did my roommate and my uncle
We will all do this!!!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 08:50 PM
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48. I think that is a perfect idea!
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 07:51 PM
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42. K & R n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 09:32 PM
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50. K&R
:mad:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:13 PM
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51. I have faith that the folks in California can
get this Recount accomplished. In the meantime, I will get on Lou Dobbs' and Keith Olberman's cases and have them discuss this on air.

Thx.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:18 PM
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52. Uh, don't they have VVPATs in CA and can't they be recounted too? nt
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:52 PM
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57. Bill, going by memory
Is Cali a 1% Audit? If 1 % of the VVPB is counted and irregularities are found, and the irregularities exceed the trigger point, then the rest of the DRE VVPB gets counted.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:28 AM
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72. the 1% audit... can someone from CA chime in here?
as I recall the 1% audit law is not in effect yet.

Simon pointed out that some of the votes are on DREs without VVPATs.

It would be illogical to have a 1% audit law without a VVPAT law, but I guess illogic is not unusual in this business.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:20 PM
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53. kick!
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:25 PM
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55. Kick n/t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-08-06 10:26 PM
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56. K&N!!!
:kick:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:36 AM
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62. FWIW, my letter to Lou
Dear Lou:

I want to let you know how much I appreciate your attention to the loss of free and open elections due to insecure and hackable electronic voting machines. American men and women are dying overseas — ostensibly to bring democracy to foreign nations — while democracy is threatened at home from within our own government.

The latest instance in California is the race to fill the House seat vacated by Randy "Duke" Cunningham in San Diego’s 50th District. The race was called for Bilbray by the California Secretary of State long before all the votes were counted. Strangely enough the Sec of State is a Republican and a Schwartzenegger appointee and Bilbray is also a Republican. Francine Busby is running as a Democrat.

It gets worse. The voting machines used in District 50 were taken home and stored by poll workers, a serious lack of security which violates chain of custody protections. Under the circumstances, memory cards may have been switched (as has happened before) or other simple tampering — or not, but who knows at this point?!

Recounting is essential. The votes cast on DRE type machines — the electronic ones manufactured by such openly partisan Bush supporters as Diebold — are essentially not retrievable. Absentee ballots, being paper, can be counted (as they were not when the Sec. Of State called the election for Bilbray). Paper ballots also exist for the OpScan machines still in use, and they can be manually recounted as well.

It galls me that President Bush gloated over the elections in Iraq and Afghanistan when we are in danger of losing free elections at home. In both countries people used paper ballots. We were shown photos of Iraqis dipping their fingers in ink to show they’d voted. In Afghanistan, we were told, boxes of paper ballots were delivered to mountainous regions on donkey-back. Their ballots were manually counted. In case of challenge, they could be recounted.

Very touching — But what about my vote? Does my husband’s absentee vote count, if an election is called before anyone even opens up the absentee ballots? Does my vote count if I go to my polling place and am confronted by a Diebold or Sequoia machine?

Electronic voting machines have got to be junked. Their breakdowns are not "glitches" — they are subversions of an essential democratic process.

Again, I want to thank you for paying attention, just as you pay attention to outsourcing our middle class.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:10 AM
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63. My second email to Busby (with thanks to GuvWurld)
It turns out I had more to say than I said in my first email to her, which I sent after I was unable to get through on the phone.

Dear Francine Busby:

This is your moment.

Right now you have the opportunity to take action that is so important to the future of democracy that it could have more meaning than anything you would do as a member of Congress.

It is absolutely imperative that you publicly suspend your concession to Mr. Bilbray and demand a full hand-count of all paper ballots in the District 50 election. The election results as reported on election night are inconclusive. The public has a right to confidence in our election results. We cannot have confidence in results reported as final before tens of thousands of ballots have been counted, nor results from machines that were kept in pollworkers homes, nor from voting machines that can read a vote for one candidate and count that vote for an opponent.

The constitution states that the government derives its just power from the consent of the governed. In the case of your Congressional race, the consent of the governed cannot yet be determined. Any claim to power by Mr. Bilbray is therefore, by definition, unjust and must be challenged.

It is time to stand up and be counted. This is your moment. Carpe diem.

Emily Levy
(my city, CA)

Now, to you at DU I say: please notice that a lot of what I've said in that email, and a lot of what Brad's said about this, is directly derived from the work of DU's GuvWurld. He's the one who's talked about the importance of voter confidence and "guaranteed inconclusive results" with electronic voting machines. I also swiped the constitutional reference from his work. If you haven't read his stuff, now's a good time to start! http://wedonotconsent.blogspot.com
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Dushegubkiy Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:09 AM
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64. It Was Stolen, Again. nt
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 07:48 AM
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69. CALL for CA ACTION!
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 07:50 AM by Kip Humphrey
ALL Californians:
NOW is the time to mobilize to save your Democracy! Email and call and write Bushby demanding a recount. Demand verification of the vote in CA-50. Come together to mobilize and coordinate your efforts and press your politicians NOW! Form a CA-50 Recount Coalition (CARC? - CA-50 Recount the Election, CA-RE? CA-50 Verify the Election, CAVE?) and get going!

edited by author for grammer)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:50 AM
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74. I hope the typo of Busby's name wasn't intentional...
I've seen a few other posts here taking issue with her not "fighting" for us and giving up too easily.

I know from a distance I felt the same thing towards John Kerry in the last election. And I know you feel that you've put in an investment in her, especially those that have sent her contributions.

I ask that you try to avoid criticizing her heavily for not being as "activist" as you'd like. I've talked to her a number of times during the campaign, including at least a couple of times on Tuesday. She's really a decent human being folks, and you have to remember that she's not a political veteran like Kerry was and many other folks in congress. She's the concerned citizen next door that you and I respect that we feel has a good message to send for us, but she's still not someone that's going to overturn congress in a day when she hasn't really had experience in local state politics (other than being on a school board).

I sent a note encouraging her to stick with this thing until at least a "clear" answer comes back that most feel is the accurate judgement of what was voted for on Tuesday. If the result comes back that is inconclusive, I encouraged her to make that a campaign issue for November then. Perhaps she can remind folks in the district that they in fact might have been cheated, but we won't know because those that have put the rules of elections in place have not put in adequate safeguards to avoid this sort of outcome from happening.

As I noted earlier, one other problem that should be repeated here, is that County Board of Supervisors here which have been all Republicans for about a decade, have been "mesmerized" by the Diebold machines when getting demos from their sales critters, as another poll worker told me. We had potentially a good Dem to challenge that monopoly of Republicans in this group in Richard Barrera, who was challenging Ron Roberts, but he was slimed when a fake Democratic endorsement letter was sent out that endorsed Republican Ron Roberts instead, as if the Republican were the Dem's choice, along with all of the other Dems being recommended. The Republicans know that their bread is greased by the board of Supervisors here. We need to make a point of ATTACKING those set of offices if we want fair elections here, without national rules for elections in place trumping local jurisdiction.

Absentee ballots are also a problem with the San Diego Registrar of Voters (ALSO all Republican) are terrible about starting up absentee ballots for people. This poll worker volunteer also reported to me that the April election had MANY people that hadn't received absentee ballots that had to vote provisionally instead. Another case of local authority by Republicans potentially screwing with us.

Poll workers are also exhausted after working shifts of 0500 to 2200. We need to have this be better so that we can have decent people working them that are encouraged to do the right thing, and not have the well-meaning folks discouraged from participating.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:22 AM
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65. 101
I have a bad feeling that it's going to get worse before better.

At least in the meanwhile we can make a huge amount of money betting on the races that are most likely to be tampered with.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:28 AM
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66. kickin' cause the truth HURTS!
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 06:34 AM
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67. Election workers took voting machines HOME overnight???????
That should be enough to disqualify an election right there.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:24 AM
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70. Kick for our future!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:22 AM
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71. Copy of my message to Kerry
I just sent this to Kerry in response to a fundraising email (BEFORE I read this thread--I'm getting to where I can smell a rat without too much assistance.....):

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I just got an email requesting money for four Democratic candidates. My question to Senator Kerry is, "What are you going to do to make sure the elections are on the up-and-up? How do you know the election to replace Cunningham, which you mention, was fair?"

We can pour cash into elections, but that does keep them from being stolen unless we watch the registration, voting, and vote counting.

I strongly urge Senator Kerry to read _Armed Madhouse_, starting at page 187. (Should be easy to find--it's got his name in the title.... ;-> )
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:54 AM
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75. this is huge
kick n nom
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:55 AM
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76. *** THIS IS IT FOLKS, A THREAD WITH NO TITLE ***
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:43 PM
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79. Just called - Precinct Reports are unavailable
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 12:49 PM by hpot
Precinct reports for San Diego County are unavailable. How much time will they need to make simple reports? EST 1:42PM 6/9/06

Edit: link to their site - http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/voters/Eng/Eindex.html
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:13 PM
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85. They told me to call back around 3:30 today
Said they might not have them until Monday. They will be preliminary reports. Their target date to certify the election results is 6/30.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:55 PM
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87. Did you get to call back and get precinct reports?
I wasn't able to call before they closed. If you have them, I need them. I have an expert who can look at them, but probably only if I can get them by tomorrow. (After that I'll have to find a different expert.)

I see you can't recieve private messages yet. Please alert me if you have them by responding to this post (so I'll see it in "my DU") and letting me know how I can reach you.

Thank you!

emlev
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:34 PM
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93. Summary Reports
We were able to get summary reports but it doesn't have the level of detail we need. Will try again on Monday. The complete precinct reports are expected to be a few hundred pages.

Faxed reports:
http://recountflorida.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=4
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:33 PM
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96. Welcome to DU--I need to talk to you
Please email me at emlev2006@hotmail.com and tell me how I can reach you. Also please respond to this post telling me when you've done so, because i just set that temporary email address up just for you and doing want to keep checking it, but I do check here regularly.

Thanks for that link. Will you be posting PDFs of precinct results online, too?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:05 PM
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80. UPDATE--> this letter is now on a webpage for convenience
so much attention I decided to put this up on its own web page.

you can send people to this URL to get the Simon Letter:

http://www.solarbus.org/election/articles/060608-simon-letter.shtml
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 01:55 PM
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81. Kick!
I've been saying for a long time that election fraud and vulnerability needs to be our number one issue. Without it we have no chance.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:02 PM
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82. Kicked and recommended. Left a message at Busby's HQ and
got the answering machine. I'll bet they're taking lots of messages today. I told her I was not from California, but that this election had potentially devastating consequences for all Americans, and I asked her to please do the right thing for all of us and rescind her concession, as well as demand a recount.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:02 PM
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83. CA-50 is missing 3609 votes. WHERE ARE THEY?
In a race this vicious, almost 3% of the people whose ballots were counted didn't vote in this race? Sure, some people must have screwed it up...but 3609 just came to vote for other offices?

And, sure, it's not quite enough alone to tilt the outcome, but WTF?

total ballots: +125K
total votes in CA-50 race: 122k

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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:12 PM
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84. i believe those are "undervotes," normally less than 1%
the people voted for other races, but not the one at the top. very unlikely. normally undervotes are less than 1%. this is a red flag.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 01:48 AM
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88. That's red flag #6 or 7. We're getting to Red Alert on a scale of 1 to 10.
1. Diebold touchscreens used in parts of the election (no reliable verification possible).
2. Extremely hackable, insecure Diebold machines taken home by election works, overnight, for several days, just before the election--chain of custody broken.
3. "Trade secret," proprietary programming code in all electronic voting machines and central tabulators, owned and controlled by Repub corporations.
4. Unusually close election for a Repub area, considered "bellweather" for "comeback" narrative for Bush in the fall.
5. Thousands of paper ballot votes still uncounted--early call for the Repub by a Repub appointee Diebold-friendly Secretary of State; still no report on thousands of uncounted ballots (enough to change the outcome.)
6. Previous history of Repub scandals and questionable elections.
7. Large number of undervotes (apparent failure to vote for the top of the ticket) with the top of the ticket being a high-profile, highly publicized "bellweather" race.

What have I left out? My mind is a whirl of details. I feel like something's missing.

We are more than just getting to Red Alert. We are AT Red alert. Damn, it just kills me that this kind of crap can go on in California, where we once had a GOOD Secretary of State, who would never have let this happen. Sued their asses, he did! Sue Diebold's ass and demanded to see their source code. Dammit! DAMMIT!

:grr: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :grr:
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:11 PM
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86. One hour of Brad on the radio re: Busby race, hear it here:
http://server4.whiterosesociety.org/content/collins/CollinsShow-(9-6-2006).mp3

It's the second hour of the three hour show.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:43 AM
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89. Emlev, been to the SoS site lately? There is NO report on the SD Special
Election (CA-50). All other elections reported. 100% precincts reporting in SD on the PRIMARY election. Nothing on the Bilbray vs. Busby. Nothing! It's not even mentioned. What's with this? Any idea? I think we have Red Flag #8!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:58 AM
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90. Just tried SD Reg of Voters and got NOTHING--nothing at all on the
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 03:59 AM by Peace Patriot
election--any election.

http://www.sdvote.org/election/primary.xml

It just goes to big blank page. A tiny moving box says "County of San Diego." That's it. Is there some obscure computer thing I'm not understanding about xml? I'm on a Mac.

-------

If you go from SD Reg main page to Election Results, NOTHING. If you go from main page to Statewide Results, it links to SoS McPherson page which has NOTHING on Bilbray vs. Busby.

(what I mean by SD main page--elections page: ) http: //www.sdcounty.ca.gov/voters/Eng/Eindex.html
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 03:00 PM
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92. Here's where I got what I just posted:
http://www.sdvote.org/election/primary.xml

I think that when I had a Mac I couldn't read xml files. That may be the problem. It's 1:00 Saturday afternoon and I can view the page.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 02:58 PM
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91. I just went there again, and this is what I found:
Odd that they call it "run-off." I think that yesterday it said "special election," but wouldn't swear to it. Swear at it, yes, but not to it. Maybe "run off" is what they're saying someone did with the election???


U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - (RUN-OFF)

Precincts: 500
Counted: 500
Percentage: 100.0%

Vote for: 1

BRIAN BILBRAY - REP


69617


49.51%

FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM

63489


45.15%

W. GRIFFITH - IND


5318


3.78%

PAUL KING - LIB

2201


1.57%
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 01:22 PM
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95. Current Results 6/11/06
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 02:15 PM by hpot
COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO
PRIMARY ELECTION
JUNE 6, 2006
THESE RESULTS ARE UNOFFICIAL
Last updated on: 06-09-06 at: 16:59:21

500 Precincts 100% counted
There are approximately 35455 Absentee / Provisional ballots
still to be counted


U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - (RUN-OFF)		
		
		
BRIAN BILBRAY - REP	69617	49.51%
FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM	63489	45.15%
W. GRIFFITH - IND	5318	3.78%
PAUL KING - LIB		2201	1.57%
		
-------------------------------------------------------------------	
		
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - REPUBLICAN		
			
	
BRIAN P. BILBRAY - REP		37050	54.17%
ERIC ROACH - REP		9465	13.84%	
BILL HAUF - REP			8766	12.82%
BILL MORROW - REP		4246	6.21%
HOWARD KALOOGIAN - REP		3284	4.80%
ALAN UKE - REP			1673	2.45%
VICTOR E. RAMIREZ - REP		1256	1.84%
RICHARD LEE EARNEST - REP	960	1.40%
SCOTT ORREN - REP		858	1.25%
SCOTT TURNER - REP		834	1.22%
		
		
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - DEMOCRATIC		
			
		
FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM		46585	89.78%
CHRIS YOUNG - DEM		5304	10.22%


U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - PEACE/FREEDOM

MIRIAM E. CLARK - P-F		69	100.00%

U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - LIBERTARIAN

PAUL KING - LIB			536	100.00%

Edit: formatting
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