Oct 2004 reminds WHY Bushinc HAD to rig the machines

For Immediate Release
October 13, 2004

RESULT ARE IN!
Kerry Wins Third Debate

ABC Who won the debate?
Among Democrats – Kerry: 81%
Among Republicans – Bush: 73%

CBS Poll uncommitted voters:
Who won the debate:
Kerry-Edwards: 39
Bush-Cheney: 25
Tie: 36

CBS POLL, Kerry has clear positions on issues:
Before: 29%
After: 60%
CNN Poll:
Kerry 52%
Bush 39%

MSNBC Keith Oberman:
12 Rounds Kerry
4 Rounds Bush
MSNBC Online poll:

Who won the debate?
Kerry 75, Bush 25%

KERRY WINS ABC REPUBLICAN HEAVY POLL:
Of the 566 People Polled (38% Were Republican, 30% Democrat, 28% Independent) Kerry Won 42%-415
Kerry In Control And Winner

Bob Novak: “Kerry seems to be overpowering Bush.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)

Candy Crowley: “If what you’re looking for in a candidate is the best debater, I mean, that is definitely John Kerry. He has a quick command of the facts, he is very articulate, and I think the poll reflects that.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Ron Reagan: “I will predict that the polls tomorrow, just as they have in the two previous presidential debates, will say that Kerry won.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Pat Buchanan: “Kerry was, I thought, very much at the top of his game and I thought toward the end, when you saw Kerry, you saw more of the humanity of the man in some of those questions, which was very helpful to them; talking about the daughters and things. I thought he had some excellent moments.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

John Roberts: “I would probably have to give it to John Kerry. He seemed a little bit more poised.” (CBS, John Roberts, 10/13/04)

Joe Scarborough: “It gave Democrats a reason to be excited about John Kerry.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Jon Meacham, Newsweek: “John Kerry took the populist war straight to the President.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Tavis Smiley: “I think, Peter, that you have to shore up your bases…I think Mr. Kerry did that with people of color on the left.” (ABC, 10/13/04)

Bill Schneider: “Well this was a decisive win for John Kerry. It was just about as decisive as his win in the first debate, which everyone agreed was a blowout. His, the first debate he won by 16 points; this debate, Kerry won by 13 points. According to the views of the viewers polled immediately after the debate so they had no chance really to be influenced by the spin.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Andrea Mitchell: “Kerry says, well we all, you know, married above ourselves and some would say, me more than most – joking about Teresa Heinz and her extraordinary fortune and I thought that was actually showing a lot of self confidence of John Kerry to joke about that disparity.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04

Kerry’s Momentum Grew And Grows

David Gergen: "John Kerry, Sen. Kerry gained strength as the debate went on and I thought he became much more effective and if anything I thought the last part of the debate was his." (PBS, 10/13/04)

Carlos Watson: “As we went along, as we talked about social security, as we talked about immigration, as we talked even about the Supreme Court, I thought John Kerry ultimately found his voice. And when all is said and done I think Kerry will be proclaimed the winner, which I think will be significant because I think he will be viewed as having won all three debates.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Dean Reynolds: “I think the candidate whose numbers have been moving in the right direction for the last 10 days has been Senator John Kerry, this debate did nothing to stop that, and I think from the Kerry point of view they’ll be happy about the results tonight.” (ABC, 10/13/04)

Anthony Mason: “Dan, the uncommitted voters in our survey have given the edge in this debate, to this final debate, to John Kerry.” (CBS, 10/13/04)

Kerry Appealed To Voters

David Gergen: "What I thought John Kerry did very effectively tonight was reach out to women voters and they've become critical to his election Charlie, its the bigggest change that's taken place since these debates started. And tonight, I would imagine with the Yankees and Red Sox on, there were probably a lot of women in that audience tonight." (PBS, 10/13/04)

"After viewing two presidential debates, a group of local independent voters has decided whom to support - and will use tonight's face-off simply to make sure they've got it right. Currently, Kerry is the pick of the majority. The Denver Post gathered the five panelists last month to view the debates. At the time, none of them had decided." (Denver Post, 10/13/04)

Seniors Weigh In For Kerry. AARP hosted a debate watch party in Las Vegas they were asked: Which presidential candidate best addressed the issues important to you? 76.2% for John Kerry, 15.1% George W. Bush, 8.7 Draw

Kerry More Presidential

Bill Schneider: “Well I think he did appear more presidential than the president, which is exactly why he won the first debate and why he won this debate.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Richard Wolfe: “John Kerry has looked more presidential and more personable as these debates have gone on.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Perry Bacon, Time Magazine: “And still, Kerry came out looking more presidential…” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Kerry Clear On Issues

Andrea Mitchell: “I think Kerry cleared up any confusion that might have existed about how he as a Catholic was dealing with this very complex issue (abortion).” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

George Stephanopoulos: “I thought Senator Kerry was most effective on talking about jobs, minimum wage, healthcare and social security.” (ABC, 10/13/04)

"Kerry's answer on health-care costs may be his best yet. He lays out the case against the administration logically and clearly." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)

"In response to the flu vaccine, Bush narrowly focuses on the question and tells people not to get a flu shot. Kerry smartly takes the topic back to health care." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)

Chris Wallace: "I thought perhaps because of the subject matter that John Kerry did better in the second half on subjects like minimum wage which the president seemed somewhat uncomfortable on." (Fox News, 10/13/04)

Mark Shields: “I thought Kerry's best answer by far was on the assault weapons. When the President begged off, it was Bob Schieffer's question to him Jim, why didn't you, you said you'd sign it, why didn't you lift a finger to do it, he said well they told me in Congress they didn't have the votes to do it and he said I would have gone to Tom Delay, and said we're going to have a fight, we'll go to the country on this. I thought that was probably Kerry's best answer. (PBS, 10/13/04)

Chris Matthews: “Senator Kerry tonight was able to score on the class issue.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Tom Brokaw: “I think that they were seeing on the war issue that John Kerry had tapped into something out there in America. That there were doubts even among the president’s supporters on the Republican side of the agenda and especially in a lot of those traditionally red states where they have a lot of people overseas and beginning to wonder if this was going well or not. So they had to move it; move the agenda, if you will, off the war and harder onto the social issues.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Bush Fell, Kerry Cleaned-Up

Ron Reagan: “George Bush made a mistake. Kerry quoted him accurately as it turns out in saying he’s not really worried about Osama bin Laden and Bush came back and said, well I don’t recall ever saying anything like that, we’ll you’ll see the clip of him saying exactly that tomorrow.” (MSNBC 10:32 pm)

Mark Shields: “I think Kerry is far more factual.” (PBS, 10/13/04)

Brian Williams: “We heard the name Osama Bin Laden mentioned again tonight and tonight our fact checkers found the President in a major contradiction. Here is what the President said on stage tonight in response to a charge by Sen. Kerry (Bush clip, exaggerations). But here is what the President said about Bin Laden in March of 2002 (Bush clip saying he is not concerned about Bin Laden). (NBC, 10/13/04)

Chris Jansing: “He painted the president as some one who led us to a misguided war, who has put Americans at risk because they don't have health insurance, who has lost more jobs than any president.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Bush Mission To Win Debate: NOT ACCOMPLISHED

George Stephanopoulos: Most Americans believe we’re going in the wrong direction right now. (ABC, 10/13/04)

Jeff Greenfield: “I think to the extent that the Republicans were looking for the president to lay the heavy lumber on John Kerry, that did not happen. And so if we’ve gone this last ten days with Kerry slowly moving up on Bush, I don’t see anything in this debate that will change that.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

John King: “I do think Republicans will agree that the president was perhaps not emphatic or focused enough in doing as much as he wanted to do to calling the Senate record into play and put the liberal label on Senator Kerry.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Bob Novak: “Bush looks wishy-washy on the assault-weapons ban.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)

Richard Wolfe: “John Kerry, I thought, took this one by points. The president really needed to get a big victory tonight and he fell short of that. You know, he beat himself in the previous debates, but that really wasn’t good enough.” (CNN, 10/13/04)

Bush’s Expressions Showed His Weakness

"Bush seems more on edge than Kerry. His voice is rising, almost to a shout. And he pounds his hand for emphasis. Kerry is trying to show he is cool, calm and collected." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)

Bob Novak: “Bush's chuckles are not so good.” (cnn.com, 10/13/04)

Chris Matthews: “I think the president had sort of an unhappy look but it was a very controlled and disciplined look. He was obviously told ‘they’re looking at you, don’t put on a show.’ But he didn’t look happy. He wasn’t used to this kind of brow-beating.” (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

That "wire" supposedly running up his back under the shirt and suit. How many DU threads did that inspire?

Kerry was masterful during the debates. He wasn't exactly even in the polls heading into them.

over and over again. How can those assholes sleep at night now after they see the error of their ways?

Here is another view of the device in question:

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why kerry did not want to take the limited focus off his substantive wins by a distracting scandal. The media was waiting for Kerry( a big lie IMHO) and Kerry had to shrug it off if the media didn't get out front on this. In retrospect, as with their massive but fatally limited efforts to stop election fraud, something should have been done to go for the jugular on every occasion. But in doing so, the media was very well prepared to be hostile and make a legitimate issue a distraction to hurt the campaign as a whole. In perusing the newspapers it reminded me of the Kennedy Nixon debates. It depended on the way you saw or heard or read the debates and the careful punditry of those media. If you read about it in most papers it was bland, boring, a balanced debate of print issue positions that gave the impression of a tie or a meaningless exercise. On TV it was inescapable because Bush was, despite all the planning and rules and experience, so incredibly inept. Not many community newspapers dared to utter that judgment.

every step of the way for Bush. The left media should have, too.

* Bush would not agree to do all 3 debates
* He would insist on altering the format to suit his own needs
* After Kerry dominated the first debate, DUers were sure Bush would find an excuse to pull out of one or both of the last two debates
* There would be an October surprise, maybe Bin Laden unveiled like King Kong in a cage after secretly being held for months

The cynicism is pathetic. Besides, in this era of microtransmitters, how can anyone believe it would take a massive wire if they wanted to cheat? Before it was cracked down on and made illegal by the Gaming Control Board, I was a member of a three-man sports betting group in Las Vegas in the mid to late '90s, walking from casino to casino and providing the numbers to our head guy at his home. We had tiny ear pieces that were completely concealed within the ear. The transmitter button was in our left pocket and maybe 1/4 inch square. The walkie talkie was medium thin, maybe 5/8 of an inch thick and wrapped in the stomach area. The wire was perhaps 1/8 of an inch thick, only had to travel to neck level, and the microphone attached to the top inside of the shirt was very tiny. You want me to believe the Republicans many years later had bulkier and more primitive technology than we did? Please.

I'm sure the Secret Service would insist on it even if the Pres. didn't want it. They would also refuse to talk about it, as a matter of strict policy of not discussing details of the Pres.'s personal security. They do this regardless of who's in office.

Not that I believe Bu**sh** is innocent of much in the way of wrongdoing. He just wouldn't look like a 50's comic book gangster doing it. Let's try to steer some of the tinfoil hattery out of the discussion. Doing so increases the overall credibility of what remains.

unfortunately the republikkkans wouldn't couldn't allow that.

caging and challenges) registration "mishaps" and purges, uncounted votes, and mis-allocation of machines.

I know you realize this blm, but since our new celebrity, thanks to the manjoo article, have brought many new faces, (some obviously on the disrupting side) and we need to educate them. Freepress.org; Mark Crispin Miller's "Fooled Again"; Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse" and of course John Conyers and the House Judicairy Dem Staff's "What Went Wrong in Ohio"-are all important sources to read.

then they used the media to turn around afterwards and say that Kerry just couldn't get people to the polls. They had to change the storyline.

Whenever something UNSPINNABLE happens, you see the media has no choice but to be more accurate - so far, there have been three unspinnable events - the debates, Schiavo, and Katrina.

:applause:

when Skinner was posting Kerry-Edwards press releases.

missed it the last time.

... and pissed. NGU