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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:41 AM Original message |
My Response to Certain Important People around here and CNN Exit Polls |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. It will posted pretty continuously whether we have any evidence or not |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. That's who they want to run against because they have garbage on Bill again. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I'm not underestimating them |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. How'd ya miss it, bryant69? Here's the link: |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
97. The Rupugs don't need no stinkin' evidence to make their case |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Ah. So if we nominate Obama or Edwards or Kucinich, |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Not to mention how polarizing and divisive HRC is. Maybe some people (independents & left leaning) |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
83. How can any Hill supporter or opponent deny that she is Repub's desired opponent |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. We really do not know what happened. |
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alllyingwhores (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. "Are votes being manipulated? Is the media spinning this to their corporate owner's advantage?" |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. the 18% swing you mentioned |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Interesting take and I don't disagree but I have reservations |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. the number of those Polled who were "strongy" decided |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
36. 17% were undecided in the final polls? really? |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Check out the individual polls, some do cite undecided though the summary chart apparently doesn't. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
84. The undisclosed in exit polls broke in Hillary's favor due to the Wilder / Bradley effect |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
109. Obama made Hillary cry? |
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PerpetuallyDazed (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #84 |
111. You really think so? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
5. ""NEW AND IMPROVED" Mitofsky self-modifying polls that mutate as the actual votes come in" |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
6. Agreed. There's nothing wrong with asking questions |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
8. a Thread you might find both interesting and informative |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'm with you 100% I don't trust those polls. Not after the STOLEN 2004 election. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
12. You should check this out. |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
62. Thank you. n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. Voting machines are owned by republicans. They use them in GE, when it matters |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
85. The Tweety factor, per tonight, was white women unwilling to peak ill of a black man in a poll. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
16. So you start your own anti-Skinner thread? That's fucked up. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I've seen this post before.. where.. Hmm... |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. When does mildly disagreeing with Skinner amount to being "anti Skinner"? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
18. there are receipts for this election |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Receipts are little good when no one looks at them. n/t |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. the OP says the receipts don't exist |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. It's necessary. n/t |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. so are you calling for the paper ballots to be recounted? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yes. And you and other Hillary supporters are the best people to make that request. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I wouldn't oppose it |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. How's this for a worthy reason: |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. NBC announced it was too close to call at 8:00 PM |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
92. As I understand NH rules |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. But nobody can see those receipts |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. How do we get anyone in power to examine the 2004 irregularities? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. John Conyers investigated |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
20. Skinner is correct when he says if you can't explain the accuracy of the exit polls... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. In 2004, the exit polls were tweaked, post election. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. actually, the raw data ARE released |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
21. K&R |
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truckin (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
22. Amen, brother. You hit the nail on the head. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
27. Exactly. Well said. K & R. I also posted something along these lines. |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
30. If CNN's exit polls were so close, why did they avoid discussing Hillary's lead for over 1 hour? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Exactly. Hillary supporters, request a hand recount. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #33 |
93. Why doesn't Obama ask for it? |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #93 |
104. Obama won't, because there is nothing to challenge |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
67. I fully agree. The supporters of ALL candidates must ask to confirm the results. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
69. CNN didn't call the election for Obama |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
39. i trust vote counts and exit polls about as much as I trust BushCo . . . |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. The OP has made a SERIOUS point. Better try to investigate now than in Nov. n/t |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Absolutely exactly right. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
43. THANK YOU SO MUCH for this post!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
45. Do we know for a fact that the exit poll data has been adjusted? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. more importantly... Do we know that it *hasn't*?. . . . n/t |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. yes indeed |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
70. That's not as important |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
46. Goldfinger LIVES, and he is controlling the whole world! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
48. I will add one thing to your comment |
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sam kane (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Skinner and others, why all the trust in Edison/Mitofsky? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I know that, why I have become quite cynical |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. It's like each time they are tweaking the Exit Polls to now factor in Bushie Election Fraud. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Weighted exit polls always match the results |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. amen! |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
51. This is correct |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
53. It's pretty simple to me |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
55. thank you |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. you hit the nail on the head. transparency is the only answer. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
60. Just who do you think |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
61. HEY--- I didn't know that --- !!! |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
63. Mindblowingly excellent post JMDEM..... |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
64. Does John Edwards have standing |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
65. Thank you JMDem. Question all. Trust but verify. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
66. You're a good man or woman for standing up to ANY authority! Never stop! |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
71. "Not One Line Of Software Between A Voter And A Valid Election" |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
72. great discussion |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
73. K&R |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
74. I object to your claim that everybody decides based on who won |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. No fraud in Iowa -- of course |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #77 |
108. That doesn't explain how all the modules could be rounded up |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. They are computers |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
115. How many individual computers were there in New Hampshire? |
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Peggy Day (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #74 |
98. Isn't Iowa's process really different? I mean it sounds like |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
75. Thank You. It's really f**ng simple. HAND COUNT THE DAMN BALLOTS! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
76. FUD it up, baby. |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
78. I want to repeat this for clarity |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. It concerns me |
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nikto (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Great link (if somebody hasn't already posted it)... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
81. Grrr... Verify the Bradley Effect with Obama in SC |
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carincross (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:52 AM Response to Original message |
86. EXIT POLLS are used to verify the honesty of the vote |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:22 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Pitch forks and torches (nt) |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Actually there was no great discrepency |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #86 |
95. And how do we know that people |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #86 |
107. The validity of the 'final' exit polls is in question. |
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DeeDeeNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
88. Excellent observations |
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droidamus2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
89. Interesting |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
90. Vote Integrity--been ignored for so long (including by our Candidates) |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
91. How about some fucking MANDATORY AUDITS?!?!? |
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Peggy Day (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Thank you. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
106. Indeed. It is that simple. |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
96. I agree - we need to have CONFIDENCE in our elections! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #96 |
117. Yes, that's exactly what David Dill says |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
100. I don't know whether there was chicanery or not... |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
102. One flaw in your argument. Just as we don't know what happened, |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
103. Well put! Hillary should re-count, the towns are small! |
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NavyDavy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
105. i knew as soon as BO lost a primary there would be alot of |
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Peggy Day (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. It has nothing to do with OB (most of us are Democrats) |
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Mark D. (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
112. IOWA vs. NH |
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carincross (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
113. Raw EXIT POLL Data 'Indicated Significant Victory' for Obama |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
114. So, the Republican controlled Diebold upped the vote for Hillary because |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
116. 95 Recs... Honouring this thread.... |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. .. |
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