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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 10:46 AM Original message |
Are atheism, agnosticism and theism discrete? Are they complete? |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. who cares? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Could Be. |
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Kare (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. I don't think you can be two of those things |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. On Agnosticism: |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. There is a certain amount of social confusion created due to these words |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. my stock reply, I'm willing to believe when REAL proof exists. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Careful with that word |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. LOL.. I bow to you oh great one, thanx for the clarification. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think they are three different groups... |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Most what fit in that category "agnostic"? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Most people. n/t |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Most people in the world are agnostic? No. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I do not think they label themselves that by any means... |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You are asserting that most people in world are agnostic? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Um wuzahuh? |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Are there any deists around? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I think the current term you are going for |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I think I defined "deist" accurately.... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. It still doesn't apply though |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I was talking about deism. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Not disputing your definition of Deism |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. I agree... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Deists do not believe in a theologically defined god... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Ok, not certain where you are getting your information |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Let me be clear... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Did anyone read my initial post in this thread? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Deists seem to disagree |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I will support my statement |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Yes, Deists are theists. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Addendum |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Perhaps this is more semantic nitpickery |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. See we are coming closer together |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I agree, semantics suck.lol I do not see deists as theists... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. The idea of the creator being an entity or person would seem to... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. There we would seem to differ |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
18. Meh. Labels are the bane of all human growth. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. On "agnostic". |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Not really--but good question. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Well, not rambling... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not sure I follow that... |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Think you got me right. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I guess the point I disagree on, then, is |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Well, you are asserting the existence of God. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. I'm an atheist. I only raised a question a theist would have to answer. |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Ok...no idea what's happening here then. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. hehehe |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
44. I disagree - labels are *responsible* for all human progress and civilisation |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I think this notion of labels being bad |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Labels are not bad but do cause confusion... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Keep in mind that in a living language definitions tend to shift |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Labels would have had Einstein in trade school |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. You've got cause and effect mixed up. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
53. Agnostic atheist, yes - I am one. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No, that's wrong. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. That would be a simile |
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