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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:07 PM
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Place your trust in God by voting for Obama?
I support Obama, and to an extent, I like that Democrats may be increasing their appeal to overtly religious voters. But the column I've excerpted below shows the hatred of humankind that's typical of many branches of monotheism. "We know that trusting in men will fail us"??? Come on. I hope we're not turning into that kind of party. (You really need to read the whole thing, not just the four paragraphs I'm allowed to post, to get a full sense of the columnist's position.)

From The Massachusetts Daily Collegian:

Obama's familiar message
By: Eric Magazu

"I'm not talking about a budget deficit. I'm not talking about a trade deficit. I'm not talking about a deficit of good ideas or new plans. I'm talking about a moral deficit. I'm talking about an empathy deficit. I'm taking about an inability to recognize ourselves in one another." These are the words of Senator Barack Obama, from a speech given in Atlanta on Jan. 20, 2008.

Senator Obama, a true American patriot, speaks with hope and optimism of a more united America, an America where each of us sincerely cares for one another. He does this, uniquely among the presidential candidates, by speaking with a clear moral vision, and is not shy about referring to God or his Word in his speeches.

...

The ways of God become clear once our sunglasses are removed. His ways are not hard for us or far from us, but exist in our mouths and in our hearts. We see plainly that God does not treat us with justice, as we have thus far gotten away living our lives without punishment or repercussions for our actions. For this reason, we must place our trust in God's mercy, live new lives in the brightness that is redemption, and animate all of our relationships in perfect and unconditional charity. The only question that remains is how one can be assured of God's pardon.

This is the nature of love. Love is the only true path to make real the vision that is given to us by patriots like Senator Barack Obama. We cannot afford to place our trust in philosophers or scientists, nor in ministers or politicians. We know that trusting in men will fail us. We must place our trust in God, and become new people walking in His ways. This cause starts today and it starts with you, and you must live as if it depends on you alone.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:10 PM
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1. Obama
""I'm not talking about a budget deficit. I'm not talking about a trade deficit. I'm not talking about a deficit of good ideas or new plans. I'm talking about a moral deficit. I'm talking about an empathy deficit. I'm taking about an inability to recognize ourselves in one another." These are the words of Senator Barack Obama, from a speech given in Atlanta on Jan. 20, 2008."
Maybe he SHOULD start talking about some of those things; they're important.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:11 PM
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2. Proove your Trust in God and Tax the churches. nt
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:12 PM
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3. I think I am going to hurl.
:puke:

Yep...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:26 PM
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6. I must agree, that one is a bit hard
to :hurts: digest.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:15 PM
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4. Memo to Senator Obama
YOU ARE NOT RUNNING FOR PASTOR OF THE UNITED STATES.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:23 PM
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5. Me too
YOur clergy is down the street. Don't ask me to support your candidate or church. This is a democracy. Got it?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:01 PM
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8. Did you read the article..
or do you people just post the same thing regardless of the content?
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:13 PM
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9. He needs reminding on a daily basis, it seems.
Along with his koolaid-gulping cultists.

BTW, who the fuck is "you people"?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:40 PM
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11. "You people"
and I know, that you know, who you are ...support a particular candidate and do nothing but talk trash, about any other Democratic candidate. You all...also talk trash about anyone, regardless of who they may be, who does not go with your flow. If you look at all the replies in post after post the posse becomes very apparent.

http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:54 PM
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12. Nobody I supported
however weak that support might have been, is in the race anymore. I think Obama might be good as president. I also know that his constant references to God and his pandering to the religious right scares the everloving crap out of me. I have no idea why he would throw the atheists and agnostics of the liberal left under the bus for the smaller percentage of the population that might vote for him in the religious right. The fact that he is doing that seems to me to be an indication that he really believes it and that makes me worry about how he will blur the lines of theocracy even further in this country.

If he gets the Dem nomination, will I vote for him? Hell yeah. Actually now that we are down to two, I prefer him over Hillary.

But he still scares the crap out of me in some areas.

See how some of "us people" can hold two different things in our head at the same time? Amazin', ain't it!
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:04 PM
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13. I think Obama has to say whatever he has to say
since he is often smeared as the non-Christian "sleeper Muslim guy". So I think he has to let his "Christianhood" out in his speeches for validation. But I can't see any of the Democratic candidates (including Obama) having any plans to blur the lines of theocracy in this country. The Huckabee types and the candidates who actually have the trust of the evangelicals are the ones who scare the living shit out of me.

We live in a society where religious association matters. I know, it is fucking stupid and it sucks, but that's our reality here in the U.S.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:28 PM
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14. Thoughts in the head...
are not apparent by words on the page. If you are offended by Obama's references to faith, and believe he is intentionally throwing agnostics and atheists under the bus, I can understand your concern. It would be nice if no Presidential candidate ever had to mention their faith, wouldn't it? I'm not recalling that there ever has been one. Do you?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:00 PM
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7. Nice article...
well written, and the opinion of one person. Damn.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:25 PM
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10. cf this from the same author, 8th Oct 2004: 'Bush is a progressive, really!"
http://media.www.dailycollegian.com/media/storage/paper874/news/2004/10/08/UndefinedSection/New-Compassionate.Majority-1557014.shtml

or on the evils of extra-marital sex:

In conflict with today's campus culture, our (Massachusetts) Constitution boldly professes the mission of our public universities is to bring honor to God and to inculcate wisdom, virtue, sincerity and generosity among the people. The Constitution further declares our civil rights and liberties depend on this mission.

Collins professes that sex is in the realm of personal privacy and praises resident assistants who provide condoms discretely outside their doors, but sex is not simply a matter of personal privacy. The foundation of our civilization is rooted in marriage and the family, as these sacred institutions guarantee stability within our communities. Reserving sex for within the marriage covenant is not designed to take away our fun, but to reinforce marriage as a unique, unbreakable contract between a man and a woman.

Collins suggests students seek advice from University Health Services concerning contraception and sexually transmitted diseases. For a decision of moral implications, this is not a good idea. Students should seek the advice of their parents, their ministers and other faithful stewards of the ethics of our forefathers. The University should be ashamed for leading us astray by encouraging sexual depravity. Instead, the University should remain steadfast to its mission, turning out students of strong character and high ideals, by encouraging restraint and teaching us the true definition of love.

The keystone of our civilization, the gospel of Jesus Christ, teaches us the true definition of love is modeled on God's love for humanity and summed up by the Greek word agape. Instead of turning to each other to fulfill our sexual desires, which only leave us empty, let us turn to each other in a love that endures. Agape is love rooted in the complete sacrificing of ourselves to live perfectly for our friends. This love never keeps a record of grievances and never expects anything in return. Let us go forward serving each other in forbearance, love and charity. If we can love in this way, then we are truly alive.

http://media.www.dailycollegian.com/media/storage/paper874/news/2007/05/07/News/Letter.To.The.Editor-2895749.shtml


Not someone I'd take political advice from.
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