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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:15 PM
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Poll question: How many of you agree with the pope's new definition of 7 deadly sins?
This is specifically against sin number 5.

How many of you think that using or trafficking drugs, including of course cannabis, the only drug I use legal or not, is a modern evil and a deadly sin?
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:19 PM
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1. They aren't all bad
Edited on Thu May-15-08 04:20 PM by Juche
Environmental pollution
Genetic manipulation
Accumulating excessive wealth
Inflicting poverty
Drug trafficking and consumption
Morally debatable experiments
Violation of fundamental rights of human nature


I agree with 4.5 of them. I'm ok with genetic manipulation and morally debatable experiments and feel some drug trafficking is ok.

I wonder why human trafficking wasn't listed. That should be high up there. Maybe that is part of 'Violation of fundamental rights of human nature'
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:28 PM
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5. conflicts
Personally I feel that busting people for growing, selling and using cannabis is a violation of my fundemental right of human nature. I mean we are talking about a plant in its raw form.

I agree with the pope on points 1, 3, 4, and 7 though. But I pollute, accumumate excessive wealth (20,000 us dollars a year is a hell of a lot more than the 600 a year in Haiti), inflict poverty whenever I buy products made in China or such countries......In other words I am not such a cool guy....
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:19 PM
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2. you forgot the most important option
the pope is a nazi
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:23 PM
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3. nazi = evil
Unless of course it is the soup nazi, he just loved soup.......
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:36 PM
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10. He got a bad rap
If he was curt with his customers, it was merely because he wanted to serve as many people as possible. For a long time he tried to hide the fact that he is Iranian, what with the maturity level in this country. Sadly it's easier to do business if people don't know that kind of thing. Then Seinfeld caricatured him and he became a Nazi forever.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:24 PM
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4. The pope doesn't do my thinking for me.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:54 PM
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6. The man and the institution he leads have no moral credibility whatsoever
I could care less what they claim is a sin. Aiding and abetting the rape of children on and international scale is a a grave moral wrong, and I'm not too interested in bing lectured on morality by the perpetrators of so much needless human suffering.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:42 PM
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7. The pope is so irrelevant to me that I don't pay much attention to what he does
or what he has say so I would not be able to say whether I think he is evil or not. But I believe that using cannabis is not evil at all.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:55 PM
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8. Let me put it this way
When the Pope starts letting me tell him how to run his church then he can tell me what science I can do or what science is ethically questionable...
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:33 PM
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9. Fuck the Pope.
Why should I care what he has to say?
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:44 PM
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12. I agree.
Who elected this guy? A bunch of old men hand-picked by a very conservative pope. Anything he says is predicated on the notion that God is talking to him and telling him what to say. That premise eliminates his credibility. Nice try, but I prefer to think for myself.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:41 PM
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11. I think it's the traffiking
of the drug that the "evil" come in. Pot itself, I do not consider illegal. But the means in which it becomes available to the population OFTEN (not always) involved illegal actions that are dangerous to society. (Gangs or the mafia, violence, etc.)
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:46 PM
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13. What do you mean you don't consider pot illegal?
Do you mean you don't see anything wrong with it? That doesn't make it legal. The law is very explicit- possession of marijuana is a crime.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with people producing their own marijuana and smoking it in private. That ought to be legal, but it is not.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:26 PM
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14. I meant to say immoral....
a slip of the fingertips!

I know it is illegal. :)
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:27 PM
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15. Eh, it happens. n/t
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:49 AM
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16. Well the obvious question is what is wrong with the commercialisation if subsistance growth is okay?
It's just getting someone else to grow it for you as a specialisation - just like every other product and the basis of our modern economy.

Drug laws are disconnected enough already!
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:15 AM
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17. I didn't mean to imply that I have a problem with that
I'm convinced that decriminalizing the drug trade would drastically reduce the amount of criminal activity involved in drug trafficking. By easing restrictions on supply, we could drastically reduce the price and thereby the incentive to traffic drugs. Also, legalization would remove a big impediment for people who have drug problems and need to seek help. Attacking the supply side of the drug market is an irrational policy, and we've known that for many years. Sadly, suggesting a rational policy is tantamount to political suicide.
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:31 AM
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18. Which means, in other words, "illegal drugs sin" is completely circular
Since all the noted illegal aspects of its supply would be vapourised by its legalisation and commercialisation.

Still, can't just make, "not getting intoxicated," a sin because of the love of alcohol - the drug of choice for Western society.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:09 PM
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19. "using or selling drugs is not a modern evil"
My pick.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:49 PM
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20. I don't believe in Sin- it's a concept that my faith does not embrace.
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