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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:23 AM Original message |
What if God exists? And what if that god is evil? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. It's called maltheism, it's lame and it belongs in R/T n/t |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:28 AM Original message |
I think it's an important question, considering all the atheist/theist debates occurring |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yes and those debates have a specific forum here. n/t |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
38. I think this is appropriate for the GD. It discusses a major issue, not a specific element |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
72. Great question, I love it. So many of the atheists here argue against God... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
86. That would be Asimov's "The Last Question" |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Nah this is more of a Lounge thread............. |
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ChadwickHenryWard (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
98. It's only equally as lame as the idea that God is good. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. If God were evil, he wouldn't have created Salma Hayek. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. But then why did he create Rush Limbaugh.? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Global Warming |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
63. Agreed, Rush is a methane gusher! Flatulence is a major Oxycontin side effect!!! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Was he anywhere near Bldng#7 on 911? n/t |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. for comic relief |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. You speak truth |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. But what about the gay population? lol |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. their god dresses better |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Lol. Yes, but for some reason he can't squash the spider he created. n't |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. But he only created one Salma Hayek...seems pretty evil to me |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. And one Leonardo Di'Caprio |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. How do you suppose that your masturbatory fantasies are indicative |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Didn't god create masturbation?... |
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ForrestGump (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:33 AM Response to Reply #59 |
85. Hugh Hefner did. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
67. You are assuming there is only one God. The Old Testament referred to Gods!!! n/t |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
96. Baking a dozen cookies for 13 kids... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. What's got you worried tonight? |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Nothing. It's just Occam's Razor. This is the simplest explanation. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Why do you think god is a person? |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. I'm not talking people here. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'll give you the answer that you may not like |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
49. So God is neutral. Are you a deitist? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I simply don't believe there is a god |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
9. What if God cares only for the very long term |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. What if everything is happening at once? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
48. Or at twice? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
75. Hey, I actually agree with you for once! |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
11. We were taught |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
14. the great debate of the middle ages |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. today the good book |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Hey, I'm an artist, and I'm *not bipolar*... (n/t) |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Sadly, it's the most logical assumption. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
77. God doesn't explain anything. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
18. Gnosticism. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. God bless you |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. No. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
57. Gesundheit, then |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Hehe... that I can live with. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Na Zdroviah!! |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
81. la khayam.. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. It's Occam's Razor. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Well, Occam's Razor would conclude that there is no god. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. No, athiesm has yet to explain how the universe came into being. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
68. There's no need to presume there was "nothing" before a big bang. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #50 |
89. And theism has yet to explain where God came from.. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-01-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
102. Athiesm is just a lack of belief in gods. Athiesm has nothing to do with how the universe came into |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
94. I lean toward Gnosticism myself |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
21. It's more likely that there isn't a God... |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
23. You are assuming that God primarily cares about this life when rewarding good and punishing evil |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. There is actually a sect of Hinduism that believes that ... all the world's a play. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
27. define evil |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Why can't God be evil? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. What is evil? |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. True. Evil is hard to quantify. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Its probably easier to pose the question: Is God not omnibenevolent to humans (or rather malevolent) |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
76. Ahh, and here you stumble upon Gnosticism. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. So Satan adheres to God's will? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. satan adheres to satans will |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Hehe... good answer. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. LOL |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. hehe... wasn't it Nietzsche that said he had no use for a god that didn't dance?... |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
29. Now when I talked to God I knew He'd understand |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. You need a personal Jesus |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Nah. I just need some good weed, my honey, and my dog. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I would love some good weed. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Ouch. No more of those for me. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. No, what you need is: |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Immaculate Confection LOLOL n/t |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Bwahaha... |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
34. The same 'evil god' concept is already in Gnosticism. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Deism? I'm familiar with it. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
35. no. God is cool. he just doesn't like you very much... |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Actually, I've been rather lucky. But why do you think he's cool, and not |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #61 |
79. i'm glad for your luck. i've been lucky too. the God i know is cool... |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
60. What if God was one of us? |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Well, God was trapped in after Skeeball in Dogma. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #60 |
83. There ain't no devil... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
66. Profundity FAIL |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Why? Explain to me why a good God is more realistic than a bad One. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Well an evil god would certainly make more sense than the traditional JC one. eom |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
78. the phrasing of your argument |
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Old Hob (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
82. then that would mean we should be serving........ |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
84. It's the need for the illusion of a God that is fucked up! eom |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
87. I believe then that the argument would be that God could not be evil... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Ignore my counter argument. I was wrong. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
88. No light w/o dark. No pos energy w/o neg energy. No good w/o evil |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
90. Wow I just got absolutely mind fucked by a philosophical epiphany... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
91. If there is an all power being that created heavan and earth |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
93. the God that many people believe in seems Evil to me |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:04 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. There's a great quote from George Bernard Shaw re god |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
97. once you understand that man created god. the rest is easy. And it will answer your question. nt |
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MikeH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
99. There are a sizable number of people who actually do believe in an evil God |
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Jeffersonian Dem (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
100. It's not God, but false ideas of God that are evil |
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peace_to_world (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-01-09 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
101. you are someone without faith/belief |
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The River (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-01-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
103. Reality is Impersonal |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-01-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
104. What if GAWD didn't give a FRAK? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-01-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
105. If you recognize a difference between what is good and what is evil, then why not choose |
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