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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:15 PM
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Scandal priest Father Cutie goes over to the other side
Scandal priest Father Cutie goes over to the other side

Florida is gripped by a tale with a heady mix of sex, sand, God, celebrity and celibacy

By David Usborne in New York

Sunday, 31 May 2009

It will be standing – or kneeling – room only at the Church of the Resurrection in Miami when America's most famous Catholic Casanova, Alberto Cutie, makes a guest appearance this morning to deliver the sermon. Never mind that this particular congregation is not actually Catholic. Since Thursday, he hasn't been with Rome either.

Happily, Fr Cutie, always dashing in his dog collar, has never been averse to publicity. So great was his following on Spanish-language television and radio where he dispensed advice on God, love, and relationships, that he earned the nickname Padre Oprah. Yet right now he is at the centre of a national kerfuffle of a scope even he would surely never have wished for. But it's what happens when you juggle sex, celibacy and the church.

This charismatic priest famously took his secret girlfriend, a divorced mother, to a public Florida beach and frolicked with her on the sand. This was a month ago, the scene was illicitly photographed and the images published on the pages of a Mexican tabloid. Before you could say "vows", Fr Cutie, 40, was forced to give up his Miami Beach parish.

Barely had the Catholic community of south Florida recovered, when a surprise press conference was called on Thursday by Bishop Leo Frade of the Trinity Episcopal Cathedral in downtown Miami. Fr Cutie was switching sides, leaving the Catholic faith to join the Episcopal Church, which is part of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Episcopalians, of course, don't mind their priests canoodling, marrying even. Saying he had gone through a "spiritual and deep ideological struggle," Fr Cutie said he was "continuing the call to spread God's love" and paid tribute to the spiritual home he was fleeing. "I will always love the Catholic Church and all its members who are committed in their faith and have enriched my life in so many ways," he said.

While it will be a year before Fr Cutie can officiate formally at Episcopalian services, the fall-out from the affair has been immediate. "Fr Cutie is removing himself from full communion with the Catholic Church and thereby forfeiting his rights as a cleric," boomed the leader of Floridian Catholics, Archbishop John Favalora, who added that the priest remains "bound by his promise to live a celibate life, which he freely embraced at ordination. Only the Holy Father can release him from that obligation."

Bishop Frade begged to differ. "That promise is not recognised by our church. If you can find it in the Bible that priests should be celibate, that will be corrected," he said, acknowledging that the saga was straining relations between the two churches in Florida. "The only thing we can say is that we pray for ecumenical relations. I am sorry, they are sorry, and we love them."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scandal-priest-father-cutie--goes-over-to-the-other-side-1693515.html


Bishop Leo Frade, Fr Alberto Cutie and Ruhama Buni Canellis during
Thursday's press conference at Trinity Cathedral, Miami
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:19 PM
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1. The 'other side', as in more accepting? Good for that Cutie! nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:33 PM
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2. I wish more Catholics would defect to the Episcopal Church
Episcopal Church is like the Catholic Church, but without the Pope, the homophobia, the psychotic priesthood, etc.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:36 PM
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3. My Catholic friends always flinch.
One of our local Episcopal parish priests likes to be referred to as "Father Richard". When I speak of him in front of them and mention his wife and kids, you can see the cognitive dissonance happening. The concept of a celibate, all male priesthood is practically burned into them from birth.

Even so, many of them agree with me that this is a significant reason why the Catholic church has had so many terrible problems with clergy sexual abuse.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:58 PM
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10. Well OTOH
look in any particular pew in my church on a Sunday morning, and you'll find at least one former RCC (including me).

The idea of a female and or married clergy was a huge part of why I left the RCC for TEC.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:38 PM
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4. The Archbishop is a total jerk
Best of luck and happiness to Alberto and Ruhama. He's so cute and sexy I bet he could play himself in the Lifetime movie.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:42 PM
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5. Reminiscent of The Thornbirds, with Rachel Ward and Richard Chamberlain
Father Alberto Cutié's leap of faith: New church, a plan to marry





BY JAWEED KALEEM
May 29, 2009


The Rev. Alberto Cutié, the celebrity priest photographed nuzzling a woman on a Florida beach, has left the Catholic Church to join the Episcopal Church and marry his girlfriend -- a move that attracted a strong rebuff from Roman Catholic leaders.

While the Catholic Church requires priests to hew to a vow of celibacy, the Episcopalians, who broke from Rome in the 16th century, have no such rules. Cutié was formally welcomed into the Episcopal Church in a small, private ceremony early Thursday afternoon at Trinity Episcopal Cathedral, the church's South Florida headquarters in downtown Miami.

''I am continuing the call to spread God's love,'' Cutié said after the ceremony, adding that he has gone through a ``spiritual and deep ideological struggle.''
In attendance at Trinity was Cutié's girlfriend, Ruhama Buni Canellis, 35, a divorced mother living in Miami Beach. It was the first public sighting of the couple since compromising photos appeared in a Mexican magazine early this month that led the telegenic cleric to take leave from his South Beach parish.

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Cutié will play a key role in revitalizing struggling Episcopal churches, Frade said.

''He has a successful history of rebuilding churches'' said Frade, alluding to Cutié's success at turning around several troubled Catholic parishes, including his most recent church, St. Francis de Sales in Miami Beach. John Villafuerte, a member of that church, reacted with shock to the news about Cutié but said he was still behind the priest.
''I wish him the best. I will definitely miss him. A lot of us will miss him,'' said Villafuerte, 41.

Frade publicly invited Cutié to join the Episcopal church after scandal embroiled ''Padre Alberto'' -- as he is known to millions of Spanish-speaking followers -- for breaking his vow of celibacy. Frade said at the time that Episcopalians would have no problem with a single clergy member having a date on the beach.

The more-liberal Episcopal church considers itself the ''middle way'' between Protestantism and Catholicism. It ordains women and has an openly gay bishop.
The church represents the U.S. wing of the 77 million-member Anglican Communion and traces its roots to the Church of England. In South Florida, the Episcopal diocese has 38,000 members, compared with the 800,000-member Catholic archdiocese.
While the Episcopal and Catholic churches have almost identical worship services, there are significant differences. Episcopalians, for instance, do not believe in the infallibility of the Pope.





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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:48 PM
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6. celibacy is about keeping church property in the church, not among
the clergy offspring. the pope makes me laugh. infallability? Gave themselves that in 1850. Made themselves God apparently. He is only bound by his conscience. Too bad he didn't leave when it was clear that he was going to lose this fight. I saw the films. He was a huge ass to do what he did in public the way he did. Honest to god. It was amazing. He was asking for it and he got it. celibacy needs to go. It is going to be the death of the church someday. We don't even have a full time priest around here. He only comes down once in a while on a schedule with three or four other places. The nuns who did all the work have retired. I don't know what is going to happen now.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:30 AM
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7. The Episcopal Church hasn't had too much problem holding
onto their "stuff". . Even with all the fundy defectors.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:00 PM
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11. Well
Those property rules are pretty old - and go back to when the RCC had real and huge political power, and huge land holdings as well. Not allowing priests to marry (at least officially) meant all that stayed in church hands.

TEC's rules do say that church property is held in trust by the diocese and through them by the national church. So, yes, it will be difficult I think for the schismatics to get away with their own property grab. And I think the rules are in place for just such situations.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:00 PM
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20. centuries ago, with all the kids priests were having, they instituted
this rule.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:21 PM
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8. Father Cutié receives standing ovation at his first sermon at new Episcopal church
From today's Miami Herald:


By DIANA MOSKOVITZ AND JAWEEED KALEEM
May 31, 2009


A popular Miami priest nicknamed ''Father Oprah'' said Sunday that ''church is about forgiveness'' during his first sermon since leaving the Roman Catholic Church after photographs surfaced of him kissing his girlfriend on Miami Beach.

The Rev. Alberto Cutié gave the sermon at the Episcopal Church of The Resurrection in Miami. Episcopalian priests can marry, unlike their Catholic counterparts.
He had barely said good morning when Cutié received a standing ovation. A handful of people held their personal cameras in the air, capturing what they could.
Cutié looked out at the crowd and said, ``I am humbled by your presence here.''

He then delivered a sermon that spoke of common themes -- God's love, faith and perseverance -- with a few lighter moments referring to his leaving the Catholic church thrown in.
In his sermon, Cutié spoke of a sea captain lost at sea for so long he ran out of water for his crew. Then another ship came by and told the ships crew to lower their buckets. The captain thought this was crazy.

Except, it turns out, the ship had wandered into an area with fresh water.

It was a theme he returned to several times -- the love of God is here for all. But first we must lower our buckets.
Cutié closed his sermon saying, ``Church is about living in the spirit of God, and the spirit of God is love.''

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:05 PM
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9. Yet the archbishop blames Cutié for 'grave scandal, harm to Archdiocese, the priests and community.'
More from the Herald:


May 31, 2009


Alberto Cutié said Sunday that "church is about forgiveness" during his first sermon since leaving the Roman Catholic Church.


.....

His switch has drawn harsh words from Archbishop John C. Favalora, who said he met with Cutié after the photos were published but that the priest didn't mention changing churches. Favalora has admonished Cutié and Episcopal leaders in Miami.

Pastors in South Florida read a letter from Favalora during Sunday services indicating his disappointment with the switch. ''Father Cutié's actions have caused grave scandal within the Catholic Church, harmed the Archdiocese of Miami -- especially our priests -- and led to division within the ecumenical community and the community at large,'' read the statement, originally issued Thursday.

.....




It, however, appears that there are more serious problems in play, that transcend blaming Cutié.



14 Catholic churches to close

BY JAWEED KALEEM
May 31, 2009


The Archdiocese of Miami announced Sunday that 14 struggling Catholic churches will close in the coming months.
The churches on the list have not been able to financially support themselves and have lost significant membership.
''We're looking at a shift in the Catholic population,'' said archdiocese spokeswoman Mary Ross Agosta, adding that the archdiocese can no longer afford to subsidize stained churches.

The churches to close include Resurrection, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, St. Cecilia, St. Charles Borromeo, St. Francis Xavier, St. George, St. Luke, St. Philip Neri, St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Vincent de Paul, Divine Mercy Mission, St. Joseph Haitian Mission, Our Lady of Aparecia Mission, and Vietnamese Apostolate.

They will all merge with nearby congregations.

.....

In January, the archdiocese announced it would close six struggling Catholic schools, shaving $1.8 million off its budget. Those schools will now reopen in the fall as secular, publicly funded charter schools and will lease school buildings from individual churches.

.....





A bit more from the initial story above:


....

St. Francis de Sales Catholic church, Cutié's former church in Miami Beach.....

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Cutié's girlfriend, 35-year-old Ruhama Buni Canellis of Miami Beach, joined him in becoming an Episcopalian this week. He has called her his fiancée, and noted that one reason he became an Episcopalian was because he ``has seen the ways that many of my brothers serve God as married men.''

Cutié headed the archdiocese's Radio Paz and Radio Peace broadcasts, heard throughout the Americas and in Spain.

The Cuban-American priest was born in Puerto Rico and previously hosted shows on Telemundo, the second-largest Spanish-language network in the U.S. and the Western Hemisphere. He is also a syndicated Spanish-language columnist and author of the book ``Real Life, Real Love: 7 Paths to a Strong, Lasting Relationship.''

Ignacio Bolivar, 65, said he thought Cutié was intensely conflicted about his relationship with the woman and his views on marriage.

''I think he tried to tell the Catholic Church what he wanted to do. That he wanted to get married,'' Bolivar said.

Bolivar also joked about Cutié's talents as a speaker and good looks, in light of his switch: ``The Catholic Church has to put ugly priests up there.''





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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:02 PM
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12. Much as I welcome newcomers to my church
am I the only one to feel a little bit uneasy about this?

The man was content to break the vows he'd made. To me, there's a little bit of that caution that someone might feel getting involved with the guy who just dumped his wife for you... you know, when will he dump you the same way?

I'm glad there will be some time for soul searching before he's allowed to become an Episcopal priest.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:37 PM
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13. Vows of celibacy are unnatural, and are counter to the way the Almighty designed us all
Father Cutié was one of the few normal priests in his Church. He didn't date a married woman. He did not commit adultery, for adultery only applies when one or more partners are married.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:18 AM
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15. I agree with all that
But I still think the time to protest such things would be before taking ones ordination vows, you know?

It's like someone who's been married saying that monogamy is unnatural. Well, that's a perfectly fine position, but you really ought not to be married if you hold it.

It's not the relationship that troubles me; it's the consummating of it, I suppose.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:29 AM
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16. I agree with you
I also think it's telling that he switched so quickly after he was caught; he seemingly had no conviction to switch prior to his being caught canoodling publicly.


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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:59 AM
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18. He was negotiating with the episcopal church 18 months before he was catch
he probably wasn't a dedicated professional just another wanna be priest
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:36 PM
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22. That's interesting. Didn't know that. nt
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 05:49 PM
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24. He was?
I didn't hear that, but I didn't follow the story all that closely. Perhaps he really wanted to make the switch, then. That's a little more understandable.


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:56 PM
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29. The story posted by seafan, post #8, says Cutié approached Episcopalians months ago
After the service, Bishop Leo Frade, head of the Episcopal Diocese of Southeast Florida, said Cutié had approached the Episcopal church months before the magazine pictures were published. Cutié did so, Frade said, because the priest realized he had begun to think like an Episcopalian.

http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/1074580.html
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:51 PM
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30. One of my parish priests was raised Catholic and attended Georgetown
One day during his undergraduate years, he went to one of the Jesuits and explained how his beliefs differed from official Catholic teaching. The Jesuit said, "Sounds like you're an Episcopalian at heart."
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:36 PM
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21. Well that's part of it, too
I've certainly known of RCC priests who have left the priesthood, or have been received into TEC, and then have married. But this all seems just a little too easy- I hope he's giving it a great deal of prayerful thought, that's all I'm saying.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 05:50 PM
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25. I agree too
it deserves a LOT of prayerful consideration to make a move like that.


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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:11 AM
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17. This does smack of opportunism
and Cutie has lost his larger public platform with the loss of his popular Catholic TV show. Will he miss the fame?

Hey! Maybe he will become the first Episcopal televangelist!

I think it interesting that a celibate priest gives relationship advice, and that people listen.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:03 AM
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19. It's just like psychologist they will give advise on not to use drugs or alcohol
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 10:03 AM by AlphaCentauri
but every weekend they get drunk
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:37 PM
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23. I've always found that weird
As if they can really understand, outside looking in.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:00 PM
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27. He'll have to go through discernment like anyone else
although the process will probably be faster than for the average lay person.

I know this because members of my own parish who have been clergy in other denominations have gone through the process.

For the non-Episcopalians on this thread, discernment is a process required of all potential priests, meeting with a committee of lay people for a year, meeting with a diocesan committee for a year, and then going to seminary. It's an attempt to weed out anyone who might be problematic.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:22 PM
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28. True! nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:14 AM
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14. Thank you for posting the article
Disgusting the hateful comments that some people posted at the website, a far cry from Father Cutié homily on love.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 06:05 PM
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26. I'm glad Father Cutie (great name!) is becoming an Episcopalian.
He will be an asset to them.
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