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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:04 PM
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Are Some Religions Terrorist Organizations??
Edited on Wed May-12-10 04:28 PM by Angry Dragon
Are Some Religions Terrorist Organizations??

I have trouble spelling at times so I use a spell check/definition program to help me write. I looked up the definition of terrorism and this is what I came up with.


The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear


There are some religious organizations out there, and the number is growing, that have little or no tolerance for people that think differently than themselves. They find that this just really goes against their religious views and freedoms so they feel it is their duty to set these people right.

They spew hate and anger at these people. They use god to justify these actions. For they feel god is right and mighty and he is on their side and because they are just trying to get the world just right for when he returns.

Unless I am missing something, the basis of religion is that man/woman is not perfect and they need to strive to live better lives. They need to learn to live among nature, to protect it and to realize that man can not separate himself from the world around him. Man can not seperate himself from the other people around him, they need to find ways to live with others. If god created everything then everything is connected with all the other parts. Everything is connected. God even created the things that these people hate.

Do these religions then hate god?? They would tell anyone that asked them they would say no, just some of the things are not right. So god made some mistakes?? No, they would say because god is perfect and can not make mistakes. So why do you hate some of the things that god made?? Is it because you do not know?? They would say that god would not do that. So you ask them if they know god's purpose?? They would say that god works in mysterious ways. So you do not know everything about god?? They would say that they know that god would not do this.

All they have is round-about answers to things that they know nothing about. They do not know the workings about their god but they know what they hate.

And hate they do!!

A lot of religions use hell to instill fear and religions use this to intimidate people to follow the rules that the religions set down. That is TERRORISM. !! Other religions use the bible to promote their hate and bigotry. They use the words of their god to attack others that they feel are greater sinners than themselves; upon reflection I am not so sure that they think of themselves as sinners. That is TERRORISM !!

If you want to stay in your house of worship and talk about who and what you hate then I do not have a problem with that. If you bring this hate and bigotry into the secular world then we have a problem. I will treat you as the TERRORIST you are. I have decided that I will put up with this garbage from the hate mongers and the bigots no longer. When I run across it I will call it out into the light of day so everyone can see you for what you are. TERRORIST

It is time for the real religions to step up and call the people and organizations out. It is time for the true Christians to stop your churches and leaders from corrupting your beliefs. You can sit back and say nothing and one day you will look around and find they are on your doorstep asking why you are different than them and you might just feel the hate, bigotry, and anger directed at you and your family.

You have the power and the right to decide if you want to believe in a god. You also have the power and the right to decide what kind of god you wish to believe in. No one has the power nor right to decide for you how or what you believe in. Do you want to believe in a god that is mean and vengeful, a god filled with hate and bigotry?? Or a god that has love in his heart and soul, a god that promotes tolerance of others and things that are not understood. You decide!!

I have already decided, it is your turn now.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:08 PM
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1. K&R
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:11 PM
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2. I'll side with Jesus on all of this
He told his followers things like:

Be in the world and not of it, don't try to force people to see things your way through laws but by changing their minds - dust off your shoes and move on if they won't hear the message.

He never told his people to get into power and change laws but to let people come freely and make that choice.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:40 PM
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11. Perfectly said.
Thank you.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:48 PM
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15. I like your post
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:13 PM
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3. No, that is silly.
First of all, if you don't believe in hell in the first place then threatening to send you there is not a threat.

Second of all, few if any religions actually claim the power to decide who does and does not go to hell. Without claiming the ability to dispense or withhold that fate, it is not a threat, in the same way that my telling you that jumping off a bridge will result in you dying is not a threat.

Hate and bigotry are bad, but they are bad for reasons that have nothing to do with the boogeyman of terrorism. Sorry to say, you can't fight hate and bigotry just by slapping a convenient label on it.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:55 PM
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16. "Sending somebody to hell" is also a common expression for offing them.
Just saying. :P
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:14 PM
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4. No, all religions are not terrorist organizations.
Although some of their members are certainly terrorists.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:20 PM
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5. I was not trying to say all religions
I was leaving it up to each individual to decide what kind of religion they wanted for themselves.

I was trying to say that the ones that wanted an inclusive religion then they needed to stand up and be heard for they are letting others smear the name of all religions.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:24 PM
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7. Well you might want to edit the title of the thread....
Edited on Wed May-12-10 04:24 PM by Tommy_Carcetti
'cause "Are Religions Terrorist Organizations?" sounds like it's referring to all religions to me.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:24 PM
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8. Read your headline again.
Maybe it would have been better put "Can religious people be terrorists?". Your headline came off as incendiary, suggesting all religions might be terrorist organizations.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:27 PM
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9. Added some to headline
is that better??
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:23 PM
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6. Um, no.
Play again.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:38 PM
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10. Do we want to abandon any pretense of nuance when it comes to terrorism?
Is there no difference in meaning between intimidation and terrorism?

I've always defined terrorism as violence (or the threat thereof) against the innocent for political purposes. It's redundant to claim terrorism can also be used for religious purposes; a few moments of thought will convince that in most parts of the world, there is no difference between religion and politics. So terrorism should be seen as political, in my view.

I don't think any time one individual tries to muscle another, it's terrorism. Intimidation is part of terrorism, but terrorists are generally small groups trying to scare populations. Do religions intimidate? Sure. Is that terrorism? I don't think so. Sorry.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:46 PM
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12. Telling people (when they are still little children!) that they will burn forever
if they don't see things your way.

That's not violence, huh?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:48 PM
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14. Umm...
No.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:27 PM
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17. Then it comes down to your definition of violence,
Edited on Wed May-12-10 05:28 PM by darkstar3
as well as the scope of history you'd like to view. Certainly during the dark ages, the Catholic Church falls under your definition of terrorism, since a small (compared to the population of the world) organization used violence and threats of violence to gain political and social power. They're not the only religious organization who did, but they're the ones we in the West know the most history about.

If we focus strictly on today, we have the slaying of doctors, the shuffling of predatory priests, the forceful witholding of medical aid to those who don't agree (here's that definition of violence bit), and the smaller (to a degree) religious conflicts currently taking place across Europe, Asia, and Africa involving the clash of Muslims/Christians, Muslims/Jews, and Catholics/Protestants. All of these things involve religious organizations using violence or the threat of violence in an attempt to increase their political and social power.

Is there a single religion that can be pointed to as purely a terrorist organization? I don't know yet, because I haven't yet done enough comparison between certain flavors of Christianity and the Taliban, but if the answer turns out to be "no", it will have been a very close race.

Do religions grossly encourage the breeding of terrorist cells within them? Yes.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:47 PM
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13. Are some races after our white wimmin?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:27 PM
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18. "The calculated use of violence ... in order to attain goals that are political ...
or religious or ideological in nature."

Gee. Are organizations with political or ideological goals terrorist organizations?
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:45 PM
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19. If they fit the definition in the OP
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:13 PM
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20. If they use calculated violence.
Never forget that the Taliban consider themselves a political and religious organization.
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