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BridgeTheGap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:41 PM Original message |
Will the True Nonbelievers Please Shut Up? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Powerful and extremely wealthy entities have a vested interest in keeping people ignorant. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It's been the same throughout our history. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. I call bullshit. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. +1, n/t |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Here, here! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. +666 |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Amen! (and I mean that in an Atheistic way.) |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. We don't pit science against religion. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. Will the hyper religious creationists pleas shut up? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sure we will - when the believers stop trying to legislate religion |
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Redbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. I agree that the religious who believe in science should be allies |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. True ignorance of science, scientific method and facts is owned by the secular and religious |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. Notice how Mooney sabotages his own argument |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Excellent observation. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
46. Hardly. If you actually listen to Mooney's interview, he explicitly states ... |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. Rec....made no difference, but I tried.... Too many religious people unrec'd, I guess.... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Why would you think it's religious people unreccing it? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 05:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. I posted excerpts from the interview, with a link that you can follow to it |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Thanks - listening to it now (nt) |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'm a scientist, and honestly, I cannot see any redeeming value in religion.... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Fine. You're not religious. It's your choice, and I don't really care much. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. On the contrary, you care a whole hell of a lot. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. do you believe in supernatural deities...? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. My religion is for me an existential choice. I begin from the assumption |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. in my view, what you've described is not religion at all... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. So you really begin with "religion = superstition" and are proud to think |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Is there a religion that DOESN'T invoke supernatural causes to explain natural phenomena? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. What "natural phenomena" do you think (say) Christianity attempts to |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Uh, the origin of living beings, for one? And of the Earth? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. What about "God's plan"? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Uh, the Catholic Church has no problem with evolution, and polling |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Spontaneous remission of diseases. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. There are plenty of Catholic hospitals, practicing standard modern medicine |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Abortions, |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. So those negate the existence of the beliefs in #31? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I think their view is not as you would caricature it. The Catholics |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So Catholics believe in special intervention/intercession, by your own admission. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Caricature? Have you seen any news report about pilgrimages to Fatima? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:04 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. The subthread concerns your claim that religions invariably invoke |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Are you trying to claim that Catholics don't believe in miracles? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. I never said that's ALL they do. I said they DO do that. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Forgive me if I have misunderstood you: it is my impression that you claim |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It IS an essential characteristic of religion. Just not the only one. -nt |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Proof by doggedly reassertion of the claim, eh? Uninformative |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Lots of examples were given. But, to be fair, I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Yet I did not complain you were unpersuasive but that you were uninformative |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. If somebody denies that the capital of Japan is Tokyo |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Have a lovely day |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. There are many mainstream denominations that reject evolution. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. No, it's mostly a rightwing AMERICAN phenomenon |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. You really like to fight losing battles, don't you? |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. You're dead wrong about how religion MUST invoke supernatural causes... |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. If the religious |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. “not all of the religious have a problem with science....: |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. ^^^ The Thought Police have arrived to charge people with Thought Crimes ^^^ |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #19 |
43. You complain about the "personification of argument" when you take... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. In case you actually wanted answers... |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Ialready have some answers, thankyouverymuch, and they are superior to what... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. So you have no logical, rational, empirical, or other argument with which to answer my points, |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Strictly speaking, it's not ad hominum, just insult. And you really... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Wrong, |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. I'm sorry, I must have misread those logic texts where... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Ah, so it's a tangent you're looking for! |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Nope. I've answered enough already. If you had taken my suggestion to... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Basic avoidance. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I'll take a guess at the game he's playing |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:23 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. "it is of course true that you can't claim 100% assurance that God either exists or does not exist" |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Upon rereading your post, I found something else with which to take issue. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I said I accept the possibility of a higher consciousness and you argued with that... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. If you don't see the point in #58, |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. You have no point, grasshopper. Study the subject and return to discuss it. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. You mean you have nothing with which to answer. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. We can hold more than one thought in our heads at one time. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
32. No, we won't, not when you get insulted when challenged on your fairy tales. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Robert Ingersoll presumably manufactured that Magellan "quote" |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Or not, if you want to nit-pick...and you ALWAYS do... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. How exciting! Ingersoll sometimes stuck "I think" before his phony quote. But not always: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. The church did, however, reject the idea that there could be people on the other side. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. St. Virgil and the Antipodes Case: |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
45. Damned uppity Atheists, wanting to say what they believe! |
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Corrupted Edge (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
48. I don't disagree, |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Please show me a case of "Atheists becoming what they stand against" |
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Corrupted Edge (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Just read the first line |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I don't even see a trend in that direction, however... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #63 |
86. Apparantly being loud and firm and refusing to be ignored |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
87. The new atheists are trapped in a negative mimetic relationship with strongly religious people. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. "Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiou sai-jin wuh duh pee-goo" |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. It occurs to me... |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
64. No, thank you. |
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