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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:58 PM
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Luke 21:6
Edited on Wed May-11-11 09:13 PM by Renew Deal
Today I saw a tattoo on the back of some girls neck. I couldn't read what it said, but I saw Luke 21:6. I looked up Luke 21:6 and I don't get what it's saying.

King James Bible
"As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

http://bible.cc/luke/21-6.htm

Huh? That seems like a pretty dark message for a tattoo.

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:07 PM
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1. sure take the edge out of a romantic moment.
Edited on Wed May-11-11 09:07 PM by rurallib
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:07 PM
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2. Sounds like a verse someone who hates civilization might like.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:08 PM
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3. All things change, so what's the big deal?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:13 PM
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4. Is it "all things change" or "there is no hope"?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:06 AM
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9. NO? hope? none whatsoever? Doesn't that depend upon hope for what?
If what you want doesn't happen, it is still possible to want/value what DOES happen.

I try to be kind of Buddhist about this question. I'm also interested in its ancestor, Hinduism.

Joseph Campbell said something once about when one realizes that one is really inevitably and unavoidably in free-fall, it's time to learn to love falling.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:13 PM
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5. the bible says stoning people to death is a good thing. could that be it?
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:33 PM
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6. Its about the apcalypse n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:12 PM
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7. Three possible allusions.
It's talking of Herod's Temple, the last Jewish temple on the Temple Mount. It was the pride and joy of the Pharisees/Sadducees, the symbol of what made Israel important.

It's saying that the day would come when there would be no stone of the temple left on top of another. Literal fulfillment, if you want to call this a prophecy, was the destruction of the Temple in what was it, 70 AD (CE)?

It's widely taken to mean more: That what we consider great will be utterly destroyed, showing how impotent we are prior to something better being built in its place. This also has two references: The first is the world/civilization/age. The second is each believer, a temple of God, who needs to be reconstructed in Christ's image.

There are other interpretations possible--some relying on traditional (or not so traditional) Xian beliefs, others just taking the quote utterly out of context and placing it in some other context.

Which is intended is entirely up to the quoter.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:44 PM
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8. It's not as dark as I thought.
When I read it I wondered why someone would tatoo it to their body.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:10 AM
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10. Why? As a constant reminder that you're going to die. A very important fact.
Edited on Thu May-12-11 01:10 AM by patrice
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:34 PM
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13. So?
Humility's a good thing, as is an awareness of how transitory our existence is. Vanity of vanities, all is vanities. Etc.

It's a common enough kind of refrain:

... While we speak our invidious lifetimes will flee--seize the day ("carpe diem"), and trust the future as little as possible.

Art is long, life is short, opportunity fleeting, experiment dangerous, judgment difficult.

And lets not even get into some non-Wesern philosophical systems or Western monastic traditions.

On the other hand, some of the interpretations and possible meanings don't require a literal death, just a rebuilding of the self (or a reminder that the Temple was destroyed).
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:54 AM
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11. Most tattoos baffle me
I suppose that's a rant better suited to the Lounge than R/T, however. :)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:48 AM
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12. It would make more sense if it were on her chest.
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:00 PM
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14. How about context?
Maybe something just after or just before it changes the meaning. Maybe it has some personal significance that we just don't know. It's also possible that you (or she) got the verse wrong and it says something entirely different.
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