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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:18 AM
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Respected Theologian Defends Genocide and Infanticide
In a recent post on his Reasonable Faith site, famed Christian apologist and debater William Lane Craig published an explanation for why the genocide and infanticide ordered by God against the Canaanites in the Old Testament was morally defensible. For God, at any rate -- and for people following God's orders. Short version: When guilty people got killed, they deserved it because they were guilty and bad... and when innocent people got killed, even when innocent babies were killed, they went to Heaven, and it was all hunky dory in the end.

No, really.

Here are some choice excerpts:

God had morally sufficient reasons for His judgement upon Canaan, and Israel was merely the instrument of His justice, just as centuries later God would use the pagan nations of Assyria and Babylon to judge Israel.

and:

Moreover, if we believe, as I do, that God's grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children, the death of these children was actually their salvation. We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven's incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives.

and:

So whom does God wrong in commanding the destruction of the Canaanites? Not the Canaanite adults, for they were corrupt and deserving of judgement. Not the children, for they inherit eternal life.

I want to make something very clear before I go on: William Lane Craig is not some drooling wingnut. He's not some extremist Fred Phelps type, ranting about how God's hateful vengeance is upon us for tolerating homosexuality. He's not some itinerant street preacher, railing on college campuses about premarital holding hands. He's an extensively educated, widely published, widely read theological scholar and debater. When believers accuse atheists of ignoring sophisticated modern theology, Craig is one of the people they're talking about.


And Greta really nails it here:

I've made this point before, and I'm sure I'll make it again: Religion, by its very nature as an untestable belief in undetectable beings and an unknowable afterlife, disables our reality checks. It ends the conversation. It cuts off inquiry: not only factual inquiry, but moral inquiry. Because God's law trumps human law, people who think they're obeying God can easily get cut off from their own moral instincts. And these moral contortions don't always lie in the realm of theological game-playing. They can have real-world consequences: from genocide to infanticide, from honor killings to abandoned gay children, from burned witches to battered wives to blown-up buildings.


http://www.alternet.org/belief/150742/one_more_reason_religion_is_so_messed_up%3A_respected_theologian_defends_genocide_and_infanticide/?page=entire
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:39 AM
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1. Do these people eat mushrooms or some synthesized extract thereof?
I am looking for an explanation of the hallucinations.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:21 AM
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5. Religion is it's own hallucinogen n/t
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:41 AM
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2. WHO?
Never heard of him much less respect.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:12 AM
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4. You must not be too informed then.
Craig authored The Kalam Cosmological Argument, frequently cited by theists as one of the "stronger" arguments for a god.

But you haven't heard of him, so clearly it doesn't matter how many other people have, or agree with him, right?
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:41 AM
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3. I thought everyone was destined for hell before Jesus supposedly appeared on the scene?
Wasn't that the whole point of Jesus having to be crucified? We "needed" Jesus' sacrifice in order to be saved from eternal damnation?

In other words, God sent everyone he killed before Jesus to hell.

What a lovely tyrant. Doesn't that just make you want to rush up and start worshiping Him?
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Ninjaneer Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 09:32 AM
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6. Because Eve ate from the wrong porridge and thus gave birth to original sin right?
I think? I always mix up my fairy tales...
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:14 AM
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7. "the death of these children was actually their salvation"
No comment needed.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:17 AM
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8. People wouldn't have to perform all these mental gymnastics
if they wouldn't insist that their God is ALL GOOD. I don't even get why that's a requirement in the job description. Why isn't it enough to have a God that's eternal, all powerful, and creator of everything? Instead, we have pathetic spectacles like this, where someone says that it was good and moral for the Israelites to murder Canaanite children because the children went straight to heaven, but it's evil for anyone else to murder any other children, even though those children go straight to heaven, too. How can anyone say that with a straight face?
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:37 AM
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9. That's the whole trick of being a theologian
Saying the most ridiculous things with not only a straight face, but with "gravitas" too.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:47 AM
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10. this is in the old-testament dispensation, pre-Christ/salvation,
so it's all ok.

oh, :sarcasm:
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:52 AM
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11. Respected by who? This must be Michael Reagan's spiritual leader. He advocates killing Palestinian
Muslims, mothers, unborn, born, whatever, whenever, since they'll just 'grow up to be America's enemies.'

This teaching is clearly a justification for genocide anywhere in the world as well as here in the USA, of non-believers. It will be the death the Christian 'agape love' meme. And I've stumbled upon *supposedly* Israeli websites with similar views.

The religious right will still insist they're pro-life when their god clearly doesn't make any distinction about killing those innocent babies at any point in their lives.

By this logic, all aborted babies will go straight to heaven to frolick in fields of flowers with angels. So they can shut up now.

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