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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:18 PM
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Jesus Christ! Are you some kind of communist?!
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

(1 Timothy 6:10,11)



...If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come and follow me. (Matthew 19:21)



For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

(Matthew 16:26)



Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.

(Proverbs 23:4,5)



He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

(Proverbs 28:8)



The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.

(Psalm 37:21)



A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.

(Proverbs 28:20)



Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:21 PM
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1. You really expect religious extremists to actually read their religious text?
Thats like asking a Tea bagger to spell correctly.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:56 PM
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8. Most of them do, they just choose to ignore some parts.
Actually, all Christians pick and choose, but the liberal ones tend to view the calls for charity as central and the oppressive stuff as unfortunate vestiges of an earlier age.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:23 PM
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2. Proof that people of any ideological stripe can point to the Bible for support and reinforcement...
There's a little something there for Commies...

A little something there for liberals...

A little something there for conservatives...

Of course, you just have to ignore or downplay the other parts of the Bible that conflict or disagree, but isn't selective interpretation half the fun of believing anyway? ;)
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:58 PM
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9. Yup.
The thing I find mystifying is how anyone can walk away from the Bible thinking "Yup, it's all about free-market capitalism." I can see the disagreements on social issues, for example, but I think it would be a challenge to say the least to find anything supporting the R. economic model.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:03 PM
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14. I'm kind of rusty on my Biblical scholarship...
But isn't there something about Jesus or someone teaching the Israelites how to fish?

The moral being: you can keep giving a poor person fishes and make them dependent on your charity, or you can teach him how to fish and become self-supporting, pulling himself up by the bootstraps?

(Or maybe that was just something I read over at Conservapedia, or the Conservative Bible Project. :) )
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:04 PM
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15. Not much there for atheists, tho. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:37 PM
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20. True, unless one looks at it as Classical-age literature. nt
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:28 PM
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3. even atheists can find stuff in the bible that backs up their point of view.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:58 PM
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10. Case in point. nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:14 PM
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16. Many years ago I heard an atheist say in a discussion on the radio
that there was one true passage in the bible:
"And this too, shall pass."
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:41 PM
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21. Well, now, 1 Corinthians 13:11 is true, for me.
;)

(It's a clever statement, though.)
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:29 PM
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4. Thank God for
loop holes.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:59 PM
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11. LOL.
:thumbsup:
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dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:40 PM
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5. Remember Cadillac started out as an economy car. Business plans change.
Evolving organizations go with dynamic plans. Displeasing the rich: bad sales plan.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:59 PM
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12. Yeah, they'll nail you eventually. nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:15 PM
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17. helping the poor not a big seller either.
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:45 PM
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6. Biblical economics is neither socialism or capitalism...
...exclusively, that is.

It's both.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:54 PM
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7. Really? Where does it say to concentrate the means of production...
...into an industrial elite? Kind of hard to be a capitalist even in part over 1600 years before the industrial revolution, don't you think.
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:26 PM
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24. Yes, really.
It does talk about wages, about labor relations, about how much land was to cost, exchange rates, etc., and there is no prohibition against people either working or being in business.

Not in the OT nor in the NT.

But here's the thing. Jubilee economics was a 50 year cycle, and pricing was to take into effect how many years until the next Jubilee year.... then every 50th year, the economy reset itself. This was to prevent money from becoming an idol and greed from being the way of the people.

Jesus' first sermon was to 'declare the year of the Lord's favor', the Jubilee year.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:20 PM
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19. But we do know that biblical politics is NEVER democracy. n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:00 PM
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13. "The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again...."
Many would disagree that such are "wicked"--unless, of course, they're doing the loaning.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:52 PM
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22. True. I never felt as good about my job as when I was a consumer bankruptcy lawyer.
I hated creditors and their lawyers. I was happy to take those cases. When clients were embarrassed or apologetic about the need to file, I explained to them how creditors operate and told them they have nothing to be ashamed of. The OT actually forgives all debts every 7 years by operation of law. No need to file or list assets and exemptions or give up secured property.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:18 PM
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18. Acts 2
44 All who believed were together and had all things in common;
45 they would sell their property and possessions and divide them among all according to each one's need.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:53 PM
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23. Sounds familiar.
Gospel according to Marx.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:46 PM
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25. Marx and the Bible: A Critique of the Philosophy of Oppression (Jose Miranda | 1971)
English translation John Eagleson | Orbis | 1974

... The Fathers of the early Church saw this with great clarity ... Jerome comments .. on Jesus' expression "money of injustice" (Luke 16:9): ... all riches come from injustice ...

Basil the Great thinks the same way:
When someone steals a man's clothes we call him a thief. Should we not give the same name to one who could clothe the naked and does not? The bread in your cupboard belongs to the hungry man ...

Ambrose teaches the same thing in a formula of unsurpassable exactitude:
You are not making a gift of your possessions to the poor person. You are handing over to him what is his ...
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