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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 07:24 AM
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The fact of the matter is: We. Simply. Don't. Know.
Anyone claiming anything else is lying. That is pretty much the end of the story.

Sure, one is free to believe whatever one wants, but there is no evidence to back up any super-natural belief system. Harry Potter is just as plausible as Christianity.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 07:30 AM
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1. I'd take it one step further and say we actually know quite a bit.
And we know that Harry Potter is MORE plausible that the floating ghost/virgin birth stuff. It is pure fairy tale. A little common sense is all that is required.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 07:32 AM
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2. True.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 07:53 AM
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3. (BUMPER STICKER): Militant Agnostic -- I Don't Know, And Neither Do You.
I had that affixed to my old beater 1976 Oldsmobile Cutlass as a teenager.

Got lots of honks and waves.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:00 AM
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4. I think we can rule out all but the most ineffectual and inactive of gods.
And such beings really do not fit the generally accepted definition of god. It's based on a circumstantial case, but a pretty convincing one.
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RevStPatrick Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:09 AM
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5. The one thing I do know...
...is that the universe is MUCH weirder than any mythology humans have created to explain it!
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:40 AM
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6. We do know that
there is no evidence for any of the Deities currently worshiped around the world.
We know there is no evidence for any supernatural or paranormal phenomena.
So while we don't have all the answers, we know what avenues will not yield results.
We gave up the ether and n-rays in physics. We can do the same with other fruitless ideas.
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Ninjaneer Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:44 AM
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7. + 1 eom
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 09:27 AM
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8. I sense that we are spiritual beings...
Edited on Thu May-19-11 09:28 AM by CoffeeCat
...that there is something MORE. Seriously, I'm ok if there is nothing more. However, I just sense that
this is just one slice of experience within a broader experience.

I have no proof. I don't have a problem anyone knocking how I feel, because I have absolutely no proof.

However, I will say this---the spirituality and other stuff that I sense--has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do
with most religions and religious dogma that I've encountered. I find most of the "tales" and back stories
absolutely absurd. I don't know why people need to believe in these bizarre stories. I feel that these
stories (creation, virgin birth, etc) do more to prevent us from a higher consciousness or awareness.

Again, just my point of view.

What bothers me the most about religion is that most churches breed a judgmental "Church Lady" mentality. If you
don't believe all of this stuff, you are somehow an amoral, shady, sub-par human being who isn't
as superior as those who believe the Bible word for word.

What I can't say, is, "Look, I don't look down on you because you believe a load of nonsense that
absolutely sounds like a fairy tale--of which you have absolutely no proof or scientific evidence--so
please don't judge me because I choose not to blindly accept your dogma." But I would like to say that.

I feel that people who are unsure, or people who don't buy into most dogma--must stay in some kind of closet--for
fear of judgments and unfair stereotypes. People assume you aren't a good person if you don't go to church
or if you don't believe in the rapture.

I don't think we can possibly know the final truth about these subjects with the information we have. Maybe we
were purposely denied truth. Maybe this is all there is. I don't know. That's my religion--I simply don't know.

Very few people seem to feel this way, and most people seem to revere those who are religious and committed to
blindly following dogma and judging others who don't believe as they do. I think it's an ugly part of our
society.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:44 PM
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9. That's why it's called belief.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:33 PM
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10. absolutely right
we don't know, of course that means we don't know that there isn't a God or afterlife either.

Some believe there isn't, some believe there is, and some throw their hands up and say I have no fricking clue.

Of course, the only way we find out for sure is if there is, because if there ain't, we won't be around to go aha, see, told you there wasn...
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:54 PM
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12. Who's "we." and how do you know "we" don't know? What evidence do you have? nt
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 02:01 PM
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13. But only one side of the debate holds the burden of proof.
Stating that we can't pfove the hypothesis either way is simply engaging in fallacy.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:53 PM
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11. Do you have any evidence we don't know? Maybe everybody but you knows, but we keep it a secret
because we're pricks? Can you prove otherwise?
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