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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:22 AM Original message |
Book critiquing atheism wins Archbishop's prize |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. There's an interesting review of this book on Amazon. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Interesting review. Thanks for the link. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. So the book says nothing new, from what I can tell. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I'm sure you've read it. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The various reviews were quite enough. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. I can't read them all! |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
6. Bear shits in woods. Film at 11. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
7. Better title: Book critiquing not-believing-what-we-do wins archbishops prize. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. When someone calls out a group that thrives on the constant "derision of people" |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Staying classy, I see. n/t |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. When someone calls out a group that thrives on the constant "derision of people" |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. It is shame that you miss the point................ |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. He's a pretty big point misser. n/t |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. My point is perfectly clear. RADICAL atheism needs to be challenged |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Bwahahahahahahahaha! |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Looks like you could use some reinforcements. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I have not seen radical atheism |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. What is RADICAL atheism? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I don't think radical atheism needs much explanation. It is |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. You still can't grasp the difference between |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. so, this group is full of anti-theists? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. I am not anti-theist; I am pro-secularist |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
57. This group has a lot of posters |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
115. Not at all. What does dismay, but not surprise, is the vitriol |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Could you give some examples of that? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Invisible sky people. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. No, derisive as can be would be FAR worse. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #129 |
146. It is not an honest expression of opinion. It is words chosen to inflame. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #146 |
165. Would you prefer "Secret Santa in the sky"? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Wow, that's as derisive as you can imagine? You must be incredibly thin-skinned. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. It isn't flippant, it is insulting. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #147 |
152. Yet you call bullying, hazing, loss of business, death threats, etc. "trivial." |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Bullying happens every day, for many reasons. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Of course you aren't convinced. You dismiss reality in favor of your nice comfortable fantasy. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Excuse me. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #158 |
166. You are a white, straight, Christian male in the US. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #166 |
175. Shows nothing, actually. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #158 |
169. You seem to view yourself as entitled to details of my personal life. Quelle arrogance. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. Whatever. You make a statement, you won't substantiate it. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #174 |
180. Uh huh. I must have made it all up. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:43 AM Response to Reply #124 |
136. THAT'S as derisive as can be? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #136 |
145. I am talking about derisiveness on DU, not the world at large. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #145 |
173. 'So what?' Who has more influence on politics and public life? The leaders of Christian Right groups |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #173 |
181. Deleted message |
humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. That's rather much of a default reply, isn't it. Yes, I know the difference. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Clearly you do not. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Another empty retort. NT |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
56. Your attempt to characterize any form of atheism |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I clearly distinguish between simple atheism and radical atheism.nt |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. We LOVE the theist. We hate the religion. I also hate injustice. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. In other words, it's OK to be an atheist so long as you don't discuss it or actively promote it? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
65. It is OK to be anything you want to be, but |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. What line? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. That one. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Which one? The imaginary one in your head? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. No. The one you keep tripping over. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If you can't define it, best leave it alone. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. It's hard to see it with you laying face down on top of it.nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Your creativity is lacking, and you do nothing to express your point here. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. it's amazing how you continue to speak so clearly with your face to the floor. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. As I suspected. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. I like how you used the "for now" thing. Usually it's good bye foreve and then |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Ridicule has been deemed as acceptable and encouraged by Stephen Colbert |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. Huge difference between comical sarcastic criticism and ridicule, IMO. nt |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #89 |
189. I don't know about that. I think one person's comical sarcastic criticism is often another person's |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
116. Have Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert ridiculed all religious belief? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
130. Google "This Week in God." |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #130 |
195. Don't need to, I've watched it for years. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #116 |
140. Are you saying some religious belief should get a special exemption from normal criticism? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #140 |
194. I agree. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. I think what you're complaining about is "trivial." |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. I have no doubt that you do. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. LOL. U MAD? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I would call it dogmatic atheism. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. And the dogma would be? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. That God doesn't exist, that believers are deluded individuals who |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. So the expression of an opinion is now a dogma? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
117. You are creating a strawman, of course |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. Poorly dodged. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #128 |
151. No, you attempted a pointless diversion. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #151 |
162. You were the one who chose his words poorly. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #162 |
176. Educated? |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
78. We offer theists every opportunity |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
118. You miss the point |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. There are those who believe that ANYTHING is a cause to be evangelized |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
100. Maybe you can give us some examples. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Atheists do not thrive on 'constant derision' of believers. They just don't believe. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Some atheists definitely do thrive on the derision of believers. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Are you feeling derided? Perhaps you should stop swatting others on the nose... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Are you giving advice? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I'm not worried about my house. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. "persecution, derision, hateful oppression" |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Not suprised to see you chime in, enjoying your majority status. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I guess my only choice then would be to burn all my money. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Fuck the minority! Hell yeah! |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. No. But... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. No, I would not. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. That depends on whether they in fact suffer discrimination as a result of their beliefs... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. Their beliefs or their conclusions? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:16 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. OK, lack of belief... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Religious discrimination that is applied to atheists? |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Discrimination by a religious majority because of failure |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Fine. Atheists are victims of religious discrimination. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. The hard part seems to be admitting which group is the persecutor. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. But is the persecution religious persecution? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. One religious majority persecutes people who are not members of that religious majority. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. The motive for the persecution is religious, so yes |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. OK., and in all cases it's a bad thing. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Do you not agree ... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Trade unionists, socialists, nationalists and groups of all stripes habe been persecuted. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
119. The ostracism is highly exaggerated. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. Spoken like a true member of the majority. n/t |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. and what persecution have you suffered? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
133. I'm glad you asked. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Absolute bullshit. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #127 |
138. Speaking as an American, the vast majority of the country cares very little about religion. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Pull the wool over your own eyes if you want, but don't bullshit the rest of us. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #139 |
149. They aren't enroaching on the rights. They can't. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. You know that isn't true. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #154 |
178. I don't believe that statistic for one second. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Even if that's the correct statistic, you're still wrong. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #182 |
193. 40% is a minority. I am not wrong. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #193 |
203. Which brings me back to my original point. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #149 |
163. Abortion restrictions and marriage restrictions exist in the majority of the US. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #163 |
170. Oh, come on darkstar3, those don't affect straight men, so they don't *really* exist. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #163 |
179. 1) No, they don't. 2) What is the relevance to this topic? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #179 |
184. That it's lost on you is sadly predictable. n/t |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #184 |
196. That some can't substantiate their claims is also predictable. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #179 |
201. YES, they do, and it's relevant because you have stated that religion is not encroaching on the |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. +1000 |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-07-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Do you know the difference between religion and culture? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Yes, receiving death threats is "pretty trivial stuff." |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #141 |
150. I think most of what darkstar talked about was pretty trivial stuff. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. In the a blue state, from a stranger who engaged me in conversation. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #159 |
177. Thank you for the details. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #177 |
185. Feel free to ignore it if it's inconvenient to your fantasy. n/t |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #119 |
132. Have you lived, as an atheist, in these major metropolitan areas of which you speak? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #132 |
148. I've lived all over the country. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #148 |
164. Sitting quietly in the back of the bus and not making a fuss was in the power of black people, too. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #164 |
183. what a non-sequitur. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. Your deafness is really precious. n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #183 |
187. Go back to eating billy goats. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. Do you have a response that involves actual content? Apparently not. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #192 |
198. Non-content for non-content. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
188. I realize now that I probably misunderstood your earlier post... |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. The Queen as the Head of the Church of England is still |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Yes- but the term is an anachronism because it was devised to refer to defending Catholicism, not |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Religious people of the right wing have no monopoly |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. II wasn't; I was drawing parallels between a variety of situations where a powerful majority act as |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. What? Oh, I see, you think I meant those words in regard to the money. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. See my first paragraph, as to possible reasons why some atheists deride believers |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Again, color me not surprised. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
59. No. It's the beliefs I criticize and sometimes deride. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. " subverting the cruelest aspects of pagan society " |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. At the point of a spear, no less. n/t |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. At least the vikings were honest when they killed you and took your stuff. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. "bringing liberation from fatalism, conferring great dignity on human beings," LOL WUT? |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. IOW, the usual revisionism and propaganda |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. ... This particular astrolabe, dated 1326, resembles the instrument described in Geoffrey Chaucer's |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. OK, you win - only ALMOST a thousand years... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. We've established that you make careless statements, indifferent to the actual history |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
113. Is that a royal "we," Your Google Majesty? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. Heretic! The Emperor's codpiece is adorned with delicate gold leaves. n/t |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
69. I would not claim that religious people, even ecclesiastical people... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. "Serious scientific inquiry" has always been "the exception rather than the rule" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. I actually had Bacon in mind. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. You can ask youself what the Romans left to Europe: they had some engineering savvy |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
155. Perhaps you can explain why no such setbacks |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. Actually they did but to a lesser extent ,scientific inquiry was not |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. Yet the East managed to preserve |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
50. "Now what could have possibly restrained scientific inquiry for a thousand years? " |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. "Unless you look outside Europe." |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Well, that convinced me. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Well, thats certainly one way to say it. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
156. Please cite your sources for cannibalism by Native Americans |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
168. The fall of Rome had nothing to do with Christianity, Edward Gibbons was an idiot for thinking so. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. The little ice age? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Oh it must have been the rosaries. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
167. I'm an Atheist. but I'm sick of these stereptypes about the Middle Ages. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. Here's a series of lectures by David Bentley Hart |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Thanks for the links. |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. Pavlov's dog, same gang, same bell. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
28. Out here in the boonies, that free chapter looked good. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
58. While he was busy taking no prisoners, ... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. You could ask him. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
90. I think you can probably gather his view from the videos I posted in #18 |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
67. Book critiquing coffee wins tea grower's prize. nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. Book critiquing religion posted eight times in R/T. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Link? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. And? nt |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
85. The sad thing is ignorance of history or at best a cartoon |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
106. And Bill Maher won the AAI's "Richard Dawkins Award". So? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #106 |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
114. You can get a taste of the argument from the bit about the Library of Alexandria. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. That was a neat trick in 48 BC. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. The library was partially destroyed several times. I refer to the |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #114 |
134. The Mysterious Fate of the Great Library of Alexandria |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:16 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. The reign of Theodosius should be of critical interest to any believer. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Interestingly enough, both points have the same (apparent) exception ... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Of course, whenever religions become associated with state authority, political issues |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. That bit about the pretense of tithing to the old gods is a key. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #114 |
171. The library was actually burned 4 times over 700 years. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 01:51 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. The point is that you're only probably right. But you're probably right. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
143. Well, it sounds like a book that an Archbishop would like... |
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