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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:28 PM
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Some scary shit I found
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 11:37 PM by LuckyTheDog
I don't usually post in this forum. But I thought some of you might want these links as evidence to show what the extremists of the religious right really want (theocracy):

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0505_Parsons_-_What_is_Re.html

http://www.forerunner.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=34

http://www.chalcedon.edu/

http://www.battlecry.com/

http://www.battlecry.com/pages/cultural_christianity.php
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:53 PM
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1. Yeah.Those stupid nuts are dangerous.
They think exactly the same way than muslim fundamentalists.Scary shit indeed.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:07 AM
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2. Yes, those are scary
:scared:

Of course these people are also hypocrites:
Or the person who attends church every Sunday only to spend the other six days of the week denying God with their lifestyle? For these people, Christianity is only a label, at the most something to associate with. They, like many others, are cultural Christians.
http://www.battlecry.com/pages/cultural_christianity.php

Gee, like those who wave their arms and yell "Amen/Praise the Lord" at church on Sunday, but spend the rest of the week being hateful, raking in money, spreading lies, doing nothing to help the needy and generally being a jerk?




Then there are these whackjobs:

We do not advocate the domination of the church over the state. Nor do we want the state to dominate the church. We want both church and state to conform to God's law. Thus we advocate a "theocracy" -- the rule of God in society through His law. We do not advocate an "ecclesiocracy" -- the rule of the state by the church. We want both church and state to independently conform to biblical law.

<snip>

We believe that there are two biblically prescribed punishments enforceable by the state: execution and restitution. We do not believe in jail sentences. We believe in only the biblically prescribed punishments for violations of the moral law.

<snip>

We want civil government to punish evil doers according to biblical sanctions. We want all moral laws of the Old Testament to be enforced according to biblical standards.

<snip>

http://www.forerunner.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=34



Gah!!!

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:15 AM
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4. Restitution or execution
In other words, your money or your life. Dominionists and stickup artists, unite! For a better tomorrow.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:42 AM
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6. And considering they want "all OT Biblical laws enforced"
A bunch of people would end up executed. Adulterers, gays, children who disobeyed their parents, anybody who worships another god/is an atheist/refuses to listen to a priest, anybody who works on the Sabbath and more. Who would be left after all of those executions? :shrug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:51 AM
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7. Don't forget the heathen shellfish eaters and cotton/poly blend wearers.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 12:52 AM by kestrel91316
I think they'll have to be stoned to death.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:03 AM
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9. Are you now
or have you ever been a patron of Red Lobster?

Click. BLAM!

And too bad about Louisiana. There was no other choice but to nuke it from orbit.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:57 AM
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8. Yeah
It would become the Christian version of last man standing pretty quick. Some days I think those clucks owe the rest of a cold beer and foot massage for protecting them against themselves. I wish we had a sort of scratchpad alternate universe where we could turn them loose, so they could live out their regrets when they create a mean, parched living hell.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:47 AM
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10. Indeed
Of course the last time I advocated "putting them on an island where they could hurt only themselves" some wingnut on a RW blog copied my post and claimed I was advocating violence. Where he got that from what I wrote I have no idea. :shrug:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:26 PM
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12. So anyone in contact with a football needs to be exucuted?
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:31 AM
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11. Yep
That's why fundy nutjobs make a big point of telling people that the Bible says "thou shall not MURDER." They think killing is very, very often justified.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:09 AM
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3. Thanks for this, we get extremist deniers/ apologists occasionally.
Bookmarked.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:34 AM
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5. I put them in my 'ammo' file
Just in case our little friend, or another one like her, comes by in the future. :evilgrin:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:54 PM
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14. It Seems That It Would Be Hard To Be An Extremist Denier
here in the US

all you have to do is look around

extremists are everywhere

fundie extremists are alarming

they are working on the next generation obviously
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 01:06 PM
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15. More for the "ammo" file
"We're not looking for an ecclesiocracy. We are looking for a godly decentralized theocracy, the rule of the law of God. We certainly do not want the rule of the institutional church over society. We don't support medieval notions like that. We simply believe that the law of God should govern in society.

"If it's not a Christian nation, it's going to be some type of nation. An Islamic nation? A secular nation? A science fiction nation? There will be some religion that will be enforced in society, we believe it should be Christianity -- within the narrow limits of the law of God not a heavy top-down bureaucracy."

- Andrew Sandlin, president of The National Reform Association.

http://forerunner.com/revolution/as.html
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:53 PM
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13. The Scariest Part Is The Indoctrination Of The Kids
the battlecry stuff

it's all pretty scary though.

I don't dispute that these people exist (obviously they do)

I just wonder as to their actual numbers (Rushdoony followers)

I fear for our way of life were we to become a theocracy.

Isn't that what the American Revolution was at least partly about, getting away from a theocracy that wanted our money, our allegiance, and gave us nothing in return?

There aren't any new continents to be colonized by those that a theocracy doesn't want any more.

Guess the Haliburton/KBR camps might be used for something? (:tinfoilhat: )
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 07:25 AM
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16. They're the original "Dominionists"
The term "Dominionist" tends to be used loosely on these forums, but the term "Dominion Christianity" was popularized by Rousas J. Rushdooney, the main architect of Reconstructionist (so-called) Christianity, which is basically postmillenialist Calvinism with Republican/Libertarian rhetoric thrown in by R.J.'s son-in-law, Gary "Y2K Will Blow Us All Away" North.

(How's that for a run-on sentence?)

Yes, they promote some scary stuff. They believe in a concept called "Theonomy", which is a reverse-calque (a calque is a shoddy, usually mocking, translation) of the phrase "God's Law".

Chalcedon is their main ideological organization.

Now that the modern Fundamentalist movement has shot its ecclesiastical wad -- it's 2006, and Jesus didn't come back like the mountebanks in the movement claimed he would -- we can expect the Dominionists to start carrying more weight.

God help us!

(Sorry -- ther's no smiley for ironic fear.)

--p!
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