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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:22 PM
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Poll question: Is it better to be unimportant than to be evil?
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 02:27 PM by Boojatta
What do you think?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:50 PM
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1. Being unimportant is actually where it is at. We are all small. And once
you know that.. let say you were taught that as a child...or through religion.. or through nature... then you can be interconnected. And that is where it is at. The only way to fly.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:27 PM
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2. I side with the Buddhists on this one, Boojatta. Unimportant bordering
on extinguished self is where it's at.

Stage and film actors can play evil in a role. But even then it can be done with great subtlety. Not many are absolutely, 100% evil. Most have at least one redeeming quality.

I'm thinking of, for example, David Bowie's role in THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST. Hardly a good guy but by no means completely evil. A delicious existential vibe ripples through his speech and across his face.

I invoke Walt Whitman here: "I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journeywork of the stars."
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:54 PM
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3. The Buddha Wouldn't Have Asked The Question n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:55 PM
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4. Engaged Buddhists might have, though.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:58 PM
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5. What Would The Buddha Had Told Them?
my guess is that such questions are irrelevant


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:03 PM
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6. Many engaged Buddhist of this era do not follow lockstep the
traditional ways.

The Western alliances of Buddhist groups see an "engaged Buddhism," one in which dissolution into nothingness is less the point than conscionable assistance toward compassion.

The question is always relevant.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:14 PM
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7. Okay, You Say It Is Relevant
I guess I'm not bright enough to understand the relevance of being "unimportant" vs. "evil"

of course one wouldn't normally aspire to be evil IMO

and we are all unimportant in the scheme of things, only to ourselves and those we love and care about are we important.

Noteriety doesn't equal importance.

I suppose that GWB might be considered important. He might also be considered evil.

If he were unimportant, would he not be evil? He might not have the opportunities to spread his evil ways and kill and mame others through his proxy. But he could easily still be evil in his ideas and in smaller deeds.

so the relevance is not understood by this unimportant person
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:26 PM
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9. Interesting hinge there with Dubya.
I think Power does corrupt, and that sometimes people can be corrupt already and seek Power to validate their self-important corruption. (ie Condi Rice)

I don't believe in evil as an absolute force, only as a consideration in degree of collapsed character. Even in plays and films and novels there are almost no truly, purely, 100% evil people.

There is Roger in Golding's LORD OF THE FLIES. He might be the closest to 100% evil there is. All the others have that redemptive element. Sometimes it is even markedly vital to understanding everyone else in the story. Even Blofelt -- the psychotic S.P.E.C.T.R.E. agent in several James Bond tales -- turns in an abusive man who has done genuine harm.

I have greater affinity with the unimportant than with the evil, or famously evil. 'Bet you do, too. Emily Dickinson's "I'm nobody; Who are you?" comes to mind.

The people whose versions of reality I trust most are in her 'Who are you' question.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:17 PM
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8. nt
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 07:19 PM by Old Crusoe
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:43 PM
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10. Yes, although 'unimportant' is not a good adjective
Just because someone won't be in the history books doesn't mean they didn't matter to a lot of people. You can flip burgers your entire life and still have a huge effect on so many. That's not "unimportant" at all.

Secondly, it is better. Your question is like asking whether it is better to just live your life or to do something terrible or stupid just to get on TV. I think the right answer is obvious.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:51 PM
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11. I refuse to be evil
I have never been important and I don't care.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 01:01 AM
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12. Yes by internal definition if nothing else. And I would argue that there
is something else, ie. long term outcomes, statistical outcomes et cetera that mean it is better to be unimportant than evil.

Unimportant isn't a really good adjective, though. Even the unimportant are important if you follow me. (Or they don't exist if you want to move the definitions around until we are using the same one twice rather than 2 different ones)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:44 AM
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13. Yes but I still have a soft spot for Milton's Satan: "Better to reign in
Hell, than serve in Heaven."
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:18 AM
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14. No such thing as good or evil, but difference of perspective.
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 10:19 AM by cain_7777
Within our our culture, the social systems that we have developed, dictate what is right and wrong but again that differs from culture to culture.

edit for spelling
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