What Does White Christian Revival Mean?

More wisdom and knowledge for your children from the caring folks at the Ku Klux Klan website for kids.

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white christians are persecuted? Excuse me? Say that again? Um...look who is running this country. White. Christian. Men.

The kkk is divorced from reality.

It's pathetic really.

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Reads like an official statement from the White House, doesn't it?

Anglo-Saxon? Celtic? Scandinavian?

These idiots don't seem to realize there is no WHITE heritage.

of the "white heritage" in this country.

There's a heritage of those who have had money and power, and those who have not. People like the KKKers like to THINK there was a time when people like them ran things, but there wasn't. Maybe for a short time in the South, between the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement, but they were big fish in little ponds, if anything.

brought freedom and liberty to the Native Americans.

My ancestors came over in the late 1800s... Scottish and Irish immigrants who weren't exactly welcomed with open arms. My other ancestors WERE those indigenous folk.

But, yeah, it's a pretty screwed up legacy. But, again, I'd say that the people in power arranged it all and let the poor white settlers suffer the danger and carry the guilt for trying to carve their own space out of the land...some tiny measure of independence.

The natives got royally screwed...no doubt about it.

But I am an American and I cannot deny history.

Hell, look at the immigration issue, they're STILL trying to keep Amerikkka as white as possible.

ALL of my ancestors have been pretty much screwed throughout most of recorded history. I refuse to accept responsibility for what people did not only before I was alive, but before many of my ancestors even got here.

And, yeah, I think for some people the immigration debate has a racist element to it. But some of it is also economic. We can't afford to support a massive influx of low-wage workers. We need to put pressure on Mexico to clean up its act. The way I figure it, if we put as much energy into that as we seem to put into making Canada sign on to our stupid WOD, we'd be getting somewhere.

Acknowledging the crime isn't admitting guilt.

And the immigration issue brings the worst of the racists out of the sewers.

They think we can't see them hiding behind concerns for the economy and faux concern for unemployed Americans.

Why do you think they play the immigration card every time elections roll around?

They're just a bunch of assholes.

I just despise how the racist bastards use every issue to spread hate and disinfo.

This KKK website for kids makes my blood boil.

that most of the kids who'd be on it are already infected with this brand of (so-called) thinking, or, even if they DO stumble upon it by accident, any right-thinking parent would quickly set them straight.

something Jar Jar McClellan or McChimpy would have said in response to reporters' questions.



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It's the International Jewish Conspiracy, don't you know?

A friend's father was one of those types...White Supremacist and what have you (she was SO embarassed by him, btw...she's one of the sweetest people I've ever known, oddly enough) and when he started in on me with that stuff I responded by saying I thought the Republican conspiracy was far more of a threat.

He just blinked at me uncomprehendingly. :shrug: It amazed me that such a smart man--and don't get me wrong, he WAS damned intelligent--could buy into that bullshit. He also tried to show me some stuff that suggested that blacks were more closely related to apes.

I never came out and told him I thought he was full of shit. His daughter was one of my stepdaughter's best friends and an adopted member of MY family and I wouldn't have wanted to put her in the middle of something like that.

And, oddly enough, he didn't come across like a prick either. Just deluded.

Well, one of the things.

THey always assume that we see the world the same way they do. And they're shocked and even offended when we tell them different.

Most racists don't advocate violence like Randall Terry, but the threat from the "nice" guy next door is all the more real because he spreads the bigotry quietly.

Not many people listen to Fred Phelps.

But I'll bet a lot of them listen to your friend's father.

dupe/ Rove has been messing with my mouse again.

"White" heritage is as dorky sounding as "African heritage", "Asian heritage", or "Native American heritage", taken one way; and as meaningful as those when taken another way.

White Christian Revival means to start paying attention to white Christians.

Like anybody ever stopped paying attention to them. :eyes:

Wait until the economy collapses, and middle class (whats left of the middle class anyway) white guys can't find a job. They'll be looking for scapegoats, and groups like the kkk and the minute men will be more than happy to provide them with a turnkey hate machine.

As for the Christian part, I know we just went through a whole series of discussions about "judging" whether someone was a Christian. But, IF people who adhere to this brand of bigotry and hatred are Christians, they are most assuredly NOT practicing Christianity; indeed they are using it as a cover for their own disgusting agenda. I don't care what Bible verses they quote, they are flat WRONG.

It's not just about their belief that the KKK is a christian organization.

You're right that they will continue to be a threat.

The only way to fight against organizations like the KKK, and violent zealots like Randall Terry and Fred Phelps, is to understand what we're up against.

I have been told, more than once, that the KKK is a satanic cult and that they consider christians to be their enemies.

The disconnect is shocking - especially for those of us that live in Klan Kountry.

The best weapon we have against them is solidarity.

Republicans and moderate right wing christians will listen to liberal christians, not atheists.

We need you to help get the message out.

Do a search on Maat's threads in this forum. She works tirelessly to educate people about the threat posed by these people.

They are only one Superior Court Justice away from the power they've been seeking for decades.

I don't need to tell you that atheists are not the enemy of christians.

But there are a lot of christians who are so busy trying to shut us up, they can't see that they're about to be gutted by the very people who are using the boogieman to scare them.

It is a goal of mine - we (progressive non-believers and believers) need to focus on neutralizing the Religious Hardright.

It's pretty scary out there according to this story.

It talks about how at a community level extremism (both directions) is on the rise

in other words, they talked about Montclair, NJ where 78% voted Kerry, has become more and more blue since the 70's

and some place in Tennessee that had 76% for *, and has become increasingly right leaning over the same time period.

They've gone into how the Churches have a great influence, and they interviewed some RW'er who said that "the left" doesn't have the Churches to reach people.

I'm a liberal Christian, most of the people I know are liberal Christians (at my Church)

But I'm surrounded by RW fundies here in red Arkansas. Despite the fact that Bush didn't win by a landslide in the state, he did take some counties pretty handily in Arkansas. My county was more split, but he still won.

I see more definite splits now between people, families, and areas. No longer can I say something like, "Oh, we just won't talk politics." It seems as if the belief systems just are completely incompatible now; I let my husband do the talking with my in-laws now. It's sad.

One of my best buddies is a liberal Christian; I'm a Religious-Scientist/Universalist. We both believe in all spiritual paths (that all paths lead to the One).

I live in a hardright, fundamentalist part of Southern Cal (believe it or not, there is one, and it lies in the Murrieta/Temcula area). Believe it or not, after the 2004 election, I noticed neighbors barely talking to each other, split into two camps. We used to have cookouts together. I hope things get better.

Where that kind of ugliness has been rooted out of our culture (at least here in America). The truth is, it's always there -- festering under the surface, feeding off a free, open and democratic culture and biding its' time. Every now and then it makes a foray into the open hoping to re-establish its' dominance and, unless we're vigilant, it will reassert itself one of these days. And that point has not been so close as it is now in many decades. So I think you're absolutely correct. We have to understand organizations like the Klan and how they work and why people are susceptible to their message. That means turning over a few rocks every now and then and facing the ugliness.

Excellent analogy.

Speaking of crawling out from underneath rocks, did you see the bat eating giant centipede Creature Feature on Pharyngula? :wow:

Nah, but I saw cephalopod orgy.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/06/friday_cephalopod_its_a_giant.php

And Bora had flatworm penis fencing on A Blog Around The Clock
http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2006/06/friday_weird_sex_blogging_peni.php

Now if you excuse me I have to go back to fending off attack from Mothra here.

you are a) hoping to help their numbers by having people go there; b) trying to show another terrible way that "Christians" act; or c) none of the above

Most people don't pay any attention to the KKK, and certainly I don't personally know any Christians that support the KKK. That doesn't mean there aren't, but I don't get the OP?

Most people know what the KKK is about, it's about racism. It's about a myth of skin color meaning we're different on the inside. It's about discrimination and hatred.

It is not about Christianity. No matter how they pervert the scriptures, or tell you what they are, it is not about what being a Christian means.

Does he have to have a motive? I see people in other forums making posts like this all the time, about fundies or what not. The KKK has a large religioius component to it, so it is fit to discuss in this forum.

I seriously doubt the OP thinks that liberal, christian or otherwise, would support this crap. If you don't think its worthy of discussion (Lol..it is kind of like pointing and laughing at freaks isn't it), then don't post. Its probably impolite to assume the OP has some motive, especially since he didn't make any derogatory remarks about christians.

Sometimes we just wanna discuss how fucked up other people are ;)

when the title is "White Christian Revival" or rather what is a White Christian Revival

I think it is making an association between KKK and Christians

I think a lot of people are fucked up

but I don't try to link them to particular religious people

But isn't that what the KKK and other white supremacists refer to themselves as: White Christian Revivalists? In that respect, it would be like the term Islamic Fundamentilist Terrorists/Liberators. I'm sure terrorist/liberator doesn't decribe ALL Islamic Fundies, but it describes the particular subset of terrorists that are Islamic fundamentalists.

If I'm wrong, then I'm willing to admit it. You could also send the OP a PM and ask her to change the title. The topic, however, is worthy of discussion.

On edit: The title was NOT white christian revivalists. The title was What does white christian revival MEAN. This is a perfectly good title for this topic..in fact, it is the TITLE OF THE ARTICLE!!!! I should have checked before I posted..I didn't think you were going to misrepresent it!

I went by memory, the fallible memory.

I thought it was whatever I said

It still "what does white Christian revival mean"

and then a snip from the KKK site and a link to the KKK site


I just don't understand why post it?

So you made a mistake. Big deal...shit happens. You should probably apologize to the OP for the accusation, though. You don't have too, of course...

As to why post it...well, why post anything. To have a discussion, of course. Why would someone post a link to a fundie rant, a slanted news article, or a post by a RW politician. Well...to make us aware of it, I suppose. Shouldn't we be keeping an eye on these nuts? This stuff is on the internet, where kids (as the page was meant for kids) might see it. Should you not be aware of it? Should we not discuss this issue.

Look man...if pointing to a right wing, racist christian organization offends you, despite the fact that you only share one thing in common with them, I can't help you.

as for the other criticisms of my posting

I can see that you can't see my point

I don't know how to make it any clearer

posting something like the KKK's website and tying it in with Christians is inflammatory since 99% of Christians are not KKK'ers, even fundies!

If I were an Muslim, I would be offended if someone were seeming to try to link my religion with Osama bin Laden. Since that happens in this country quite often, and it does upset moderate and mainstream Muslims for that to happen, I would think that is easy to see.

on edit: I don't need any help here I don't think

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I don't understand how BMUS is "posting something like the KKK's website and tying it in with Christians is inflammatory since 99% of Christians are not KKK'ers, even fundies".

This is what she specifically said in her post:

"More wisdom and knowledge for your children from the caring folks at the Ku Klux Klan website for kids"

She posted the title of the article, then she put the article in question. There was no tying of the KKK to other christians. How is this inflammatory at all?

if I were to find a web site that was a group like the KKK and they were calling for a White Atheist something or other, and posted a link to it (and it was known to be a racist bigoted hate group who happened to be atheists)

tell me that I wouldn't be accused of posting something to try to tie all atheists to this atheistic version of KKK.

Again, the only other example I can think of that is real is the Muslims.

If Al Queda had a site for kids (maybe they do for all I know) and someone posted it with some snip from the site that said we need a "Islamic Revival" and, well, you see where I'm going?

I'm just saying that anything that ties the KKK to any group as heterogenous as Christians in any way on a liberal web site, seems wrong.

Posting a link to the site only encourages people to go to the site, increasing the hits on the site.

I am happy to say I didn't go to the site.

The OP never insinuated that the website was an indictment on Christianity. I would rather have this posted so that we can discuss it, than to turn a blind eye and make believe it doesn't exist. This is real and should be brought into the light and exposed for the vulgar trash that it is.

edit for typo.

I started out loaded for bear


I see that you've been accused on a different thread (why are you here)of being passive aggressive and of baiting a trap

I got accused of the same things for the thread on Just a Question
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=77896&mesg_id=77896

seems, both sides have the same ammunition?

I still don't like to see Christianity set up to be tied to something as horrible as the KKK

but maybe that wasn't the intention

probably not

I should apologize

"I still don't like to see Christianity set up to be tied to something as horrible as the KKK"'

I can imagine that, but you can't do anything about it. It IS tied to something as horrible as the KKK..actually, its tied to a lot worse than the KKK. But that has nothing to do with you, and you don't have to feel guitly about it. You are not the KKK and we would never think that of you.

Just because Stalin was an athiest, does not make me feel bad about being atheist. I take no responsibility for any other persons crimes. And no one expect you too.


I will also respond to your other thread:


"if I were to find a web site that was a group like the KKK and they were calling for a White Atheist something or other, and posted a link to it (and it was known to be a racist bigoted hate group who happened to be atheists). Tell me that I wouldn't be accused of posting something to try to tie all atheists to this atheistic version of KKK."

I agree, you might be attacked, but unjustly. But I would not attack you.

"If Al Queda had a site for kids (maybe they do for all I know) and someone posted it with some snip from the site that said we need a "Islamic Revival" and, well, you see where I'm going?"

Yes, and it has happened on this site. Whats funny is that in that case, it would be both atheist and christians agreeing that that behaviour is disgusting, and the one muslim here would be accusing both of us of baiting her/him.

"I'm just saying that anything that ties the KKK to any group as heterogenous as Christians in any way on a liberal web site, seems wrong."

But it doesnt tie to the rest of you. They are self-professed christian, so we have to accept it, but it in no way makes us think your the same. If you wanted to, you could have said that you were not like that, or whatever...but instead, your lashed out at the OP, which was unfair...ESPECIALLY after what happened to you in the other thread.


"I see that you've been accused on a different thread (why are you here)of being passive aggressive and of baiting a trap"

And you agreed with that poster, which made me upset. If you look on your thread, you will see that I answered your question about why I was here. I did not attack your post, nor question your sincerity.

And there probably is no "police force" (that part was sarcastic)

but it does seem that at times there will be 2-3 Atheists who suddenly show up to put down someone with a different view.

Now maybe that is over reacting, and maybe it isn't really that way

there's just a few on this forum that do seem to be ready to pounce (not you)

and it hurts my heart that they call themselves Christians, and act like the bigoted asswipes they are.

I don't see a purpose to discuss them or give them attention.

They are a small part of society, with no real political power. We give them power by discussing them IMO

Now maybe that's wrong thinking about it. Living in Arkansas, the home of the Grand whatever of the KKK, and living close to Elohim City where Timothy McVeigh bonded with white supremacist "Christians" there, I just think that the world is too big to be discussing these bigots except to try to discover why they think the way they do.

But thanks for showing me how much you value my friendship.

The reason I posted it here, besides the fact that the KKK claims to be a christian organization, was to show people how fucking insane they really are and to illustrate who our REAL enemy is.

The same way Maat does when she posts about the dominionists.

But according to you, I did this to hurt you.

Thanks a lot.




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For every one of my posts that people find offensive, I'll bet there are ten others that I decided NOT to post because I didn't want to offend my friends here.

in the religion/theology forum even though I read it every day. I believe our very existence offends some xians because to even talk about why we atheists don't believe is so offensive to many. the only way not to offend is not to offer our opinions because even when we water them down it seems to seriously upset some. Hell, even my abbrevation for christianity (xianity) has PISSED some off even though it is the christians themselves that started that abbreviation. believe me I know this because I researched it after i got my shit jumped for using it. but like I said. I have seen some religious DUers go batshit over every little criticism of their religion like it was the first time they were confronted with something other than aggreement and they just can't get over it and won't let up complaining about it by starting thread after thread after thread asking why why why....:shrug: :hi:

We were all going :wtf:
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And I think I'm going to go back to the old BMUS.

Nothing kills free thought like censorship.

I miss ya, Jonny, and I hope you're well. :hug:

What would be the difference?

And you can't prove the KKK aren't Christian any more than they can prove that you aren't.

these sites will give you high blood pressure and make you sick!

Be kind to yourself. Some garbage just shouldn't be read.

How can we fight this kind of hatred if we don't know anything about it?

Ignoring and dismissing groups like this helped their ilk infiltrate our government.

Once the sheep start to smell their own blood, it will be too late.

I'll never forget the first time I realized the intentions of the religious right.

It was 1980-something and my dad showed me an article in the NYT Sunday Edition about how the moral majority was, and had been for quite some time, quietly installing their own into the judicial and legislative branches. Their goal was the White House.

I scoffed at it.

That was over twenty years ago.

I do sometimes read Protein Wisdom and Malkin, but I don't think I could handle the Klan. I guess somebody has to do it. But small doses, and take care of yourself. Some things just enrage us and that isn't good. We have to stay strong.