Joe Paterno sees Big Ten expansion to the east.

JoePa sees expansion of the Big Ten, and he wouldn't mind it coming from his own side of the map. "I think expansion is coming," Paterno said today on a Big Ten coaches' teleconference. ... Paterno, 83, said he would like to see a team from the East be part of the Big Ten's expansion plans, although he didn't mention the names of any schools. "When all this happens, I'll probably be out of this thing," he said. "I'd like to see our particular conference move East a little bit. It would give us a little broader television market and a little more exposure and if we had 12 teams we'd have a chance to get into some kind of championship . Whether that means you go 12 or you go 14. I don't know. I don't know all the consequences."

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That to me, means either Pitt or West Virginia

Notice he mentioned possibly sixteen teams? TV revenue. And those hillrats from WV bring NOTHING to the table. Pitt, maybe. Rutgers: NYC and NJ.
Notre Dame: Everything. Mizzou: StL and KC. Less than 60 days to The Cup.

Fuck TV revenue - what the hell does Rutgers (or Syracuse, or West Virginia) bring to the Big 10 competitively? Who in the hell is excited for an Illinois-West Virginia game? Or Minnesota-Syracuse?

Let's say the Big Ten takes 3 teams. Notre Dame, Rutgers and Mizzou. All bases are covered. You get the Irish. Nothing to be said here. Rutgers:
an up and coming team from the east coast with a developing fan base under a very good coach. And Missouri. Who would fucking jump at the chance to join the Big Ten. Fuck TV revenue? Do you seriously think this is about match-ups?

Anybody who thinks conference expansion solely for the sake of adding a TV market, or setting up a conference championship in football, is a good idea has totally lost the plot of what college sports are about.

Nothing about the Big Ten is better with Penn State in the mix.

PSU has been a great addition. The whole central PA thinking is very mid-western. If you add one. Please make it ND.

I emphatically do not want a super conference - I don't like the rivalries being split up. Plus, as everyone here knows, I like tradition.

If they added a team (God forbid) they'd split it up into two divisions, which would be the death of the Big Ten as we know it - which is how I like it. Sadly, the money grubbers at the top don't see it my way. Have you seen the uglification of Michigan Stadium? Sad moment.

Disagree, again. The traditionalists are not going to win this fight. I'm all for expansion. Keep our rightful place as THE best conference in America. Over the heinous SEC. I'm all for traveling to new and exciting hotspots!!

Id much rather have my Redskins be a middle of the pack team when it comes to money making instead of 1 or 2, if it meant wed win some super bowls.

They added luxury boxes and it's just not the place it used to be. It's sold out.

Nothing is as bad as Qwest Field. There's so much electronic crapola going on there, the game is practically secondary.

be a good addition. Screw ND. They should be MAC bound.

If we are going to contract, then get rid of Michigan or Michigan State. :evilgrin:

Edited to add: I would love to see WVa kick Michigan around every year!!

That'd mix it up!!!!!

You just want a super conference. Maybe Michael Jordan can be the commissioner; why not?

Did you grow up in a trailer on the Shenandoah and lose your virginity to a coal miner over a log?

Douche.

By the way. I'm whistling Dueling Banjoes while I type this.

Got a problem with striving to better yourself?

bashing people who choose a certain profession is elitism and I do have a problem with that.

How fucking sad is that? It's all they know. They have nothing else. Choose, my ass.

and not paying these guys a fair wage and not providing them with the security they need.

All so that we can have "cheaper" energy and the owners of the mines can have larger yachts.

What do these guys make? $70,000 a year?

Ted Nugent. Say no more.

Look it up.

Based on the US Labor Departments latest statistics, the average rate for mine workers is about $23/hr, which I if you calculate into a yearly salary, is just over half of your assertion from the NY Times. The NY Times is taking their information based on miners working overtime.

Now if you consider $46K/yr (assuming no overtime) to be overpaid for a job that is one of the most dangerous jobs, then so be it.

What a fucking laugh. Bitching about $23 bucks an hour? $43,000 a year. What the fuck do you make, mad? Is this a joke? I believe there are some job openings in that mine. 25 of them? I fucking guarantee you they get filled immediately...if they already haven't. Whilst your doing your research, mad, check out what a private in the US army is making serving in Afghanistan or Iraq. Just a little danger in that job, huh?

Parroting the EXACT same message that the RW does on this topic isn't a good way to get a Democrat to listen or take you seriously. You're going out of your way to be an ass here, and I suspect you know it.

Everything must be black or white to you fuckers. I'm sorry, Fork. I just got home from my job where I'm not guaranteed any salary or hourly wage. I have to actually show up and earn a living. Fuck you for your insinuation. Asshole.

Have the guts to make this argument up in GD? Go start a thread about how miners are overpaid. You obviously feel strongly enough about thios that one would hope you'd show the courage to stand up for this belief. So do you? Bet you don't.

I just got home from my job where I'm not guaranteed any salary or hourly wage.

So this is really about bitterness that others are getting better pay than you, and they get attention for their cause while you plug away in anonymity? Sounds like it.

I have to actually show up and earn a living.

What do you think the miners are doing to earn their pay, sitting at home playing Uno with the kids?

Your jealousy is unbecoming, your talking points right out of the Republican playbook, and your tough guy rhetoric is just making me laugh. Like I said, show some guts and go up to GD and make your argument there. I look forward to seeing you start that thread. Might even make me think you aren't just being a poser down here over this. So go speak up for yourself.

I'm so in fucking awe. Have you been waiting all day for my retort? What absolute brass balls you have. My talking points are right out of the Republican playbook? You stupid fuck. Is that how you live? By a Republican or Democratic playbook? You're not the solution, Fork. Hate to break it to ya'. You're part of the problem. Now get a motherfucking life. Loser.

Like I said, didn't think you had the guts. Looks like I read THAT part of you pretty well, didn't I?

My talking points are right out of the Republican playbook?

Yes, they are. I don't live by the playbook, but I recognize the plays in them, and you're using one, whether you realize it or not. You should ask yourself why that is instead of acting like a child to the ones pointing that out.

And btw, your tough talk still isn't doing anything other than make me laugh. Try a new tact in your next reply.

I LIVE my life to start a thread in GD. Because Forkboy says to. Truthfully, Fork. I don't want to insult your extreme intelligence. But I've been dashing back and forth between you and the movie "Twister" that I've seen 28 times. Because that's how much your opinion means to me. More truth. I bet you're some worm who got kicked around in high school and now makes a living talking shit on DU. Whatever floats your boat, friend.
Now, back to the movie.

I LIVE my life to start a thread in GD. Because Forkboy says to.

Never said you had to, just wondering if you had the guts to back up your convictions that you're so eager to speak out about down here. That answer is clearly a "no".

Truthfully, Fork. I don't want to insult your extreme intelligence.

Too late.

But I've been dashing back and forth between you and the movie "Twister" that I've seen 28 times.

If true, that says more about you than me lol.

Because that's how much your opinion means to me.

It means enough to get your insults. Too bad it can't get your intelligence.

I bet you're some worm who got kicked around in high school and now makes a living talking shit on DU/

Used to fight for money outside of bars and clubs. Fought constantly playing hockey (you couldn't even stand on skates, let alone fight on them). Sometimes I got my ass kicked, sometimes not. At least I showed the guts you lack. You're not even under the threat of an ass-kicking and you're still too much of a coward to stand up for your beliefs.

Now, back to the movie.

Try not to fap over Helen Hunt.

Ooohh, that's rich. We can be anything we want to be behind a computer screen. Can't we, Fork?

How's the movie going?

They lived. What was the view count when we started this tete-de-tete, Fork? Just asking.

Too bad they lived. That movie sucked.

We are tonight's Sports Forum entertainment.

Fuck you, mad. You have the gall to bitch at me about miners wages. You fucking asshole. We just did an ap on a fellow who did two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. $35,000 a year. Keep fucking talking.

I have never said that anyone serving this country is overpaid.

Douche.

Believe it or not, asshole, I'm a democrat. And I fucking hate Unions and NPR. So, put a fucking label on me.

Why don't you point that out to the folks in GD, GD/P and the lounge what you just said to me. I think you just labeled yourself.

You and Fork in tandem on this one? I'd argue this, mad, but what a waste of time this would be. I think I'll post it in The Lounge. Because that's where the folks who got it together hang out. Fuck, mad. You're even less intelligent than I first thought. If that's possible.

Need some help?

Please explain.

I truly feel sorry for you. Hiring someone else to fight your fights.

Paranoia will destroy ya.

I'd ask if you realize how insanely cold and fucked up you're being, but I already know you don't.

I'm fucking Jack Frost.

Don't bitch about that soldier's low wages...you don't really care, if you're as cold as you say.

Right?

Now, I'm guessing you really do care, both about the soldiers and the 29 miners. So why not drop the 'tude and stop trying to be a tough guy?

I'm calling bullshit on that. Have you fought? I mean in combat. Not outside a bar. Seeing the elephant. The utmost. I know you haven't done it.
And, LOL, mad hasn't done it. And, I sure as shit haven't. Nothing to do with 29 miners. I could die in an automobile accident. Tomorrow. Not the same as dying in war.

C'mon, mad. The whole key to trusting someone on these sites is to remember things. We'll never meet. So we're stuck with this. Tidbits. And you're too stupid to remember anything, mad. Truly, a pity.

you need to drop that.

BTW, you said upthread that this does involve the the 29 miners.

Which we don't do. Ever. See. We respect viewpoints. Speaking of upthread. You took a comedic insult and turned it into a political thread. In which you needed some serious back-up. Don't ever tell me to drop something.

Nice strawman, too.

How's that, mad?

Doesn't change anything thing I've said, nor anything you've said. You have no pity for 29 dead miners who died due to the negligence of the mine operators. You claim you hate Unions that could have helped prevent the conditions that led to those deaths. Soldiers are still currently dying in a war that was also due to negligence (or I should say, outright lies). Both the miners and the soldiers are dead due to the wrong actions of others, but you only have sympathy for one. And all because one group makes what you consider to be too much money. Where did this bitterness come from?

Let me ask, if the soldiers were getting paid $200,000/year, would you then mock their deaths as well? Because the only connection I see in your tangents here is the amount of money one makes over the other, and that seems to be driving a rather irrational hatred and making you say some things that are just really sad to see. I know you don't care what I think about you, but we've gotten along fine here and I had respect for you. After your comment above about 29 job openings, maybe a car accident tomorrow won't be such a loss. After all, your death would just be a job opening for someone in your field. Your own logic, right?

I hope when you sober up tomorrow you reread this thread, and then take a look in the mirror.

No offense. What your opinion of me from what I type doesn't mean shit to me. Used to respect me? Why? Because of my opinions on sports? Sorry, man. I would hope that you would respect me for a bit more than that. I have no interest in making this an open forum on GD. What we did tonight was open a little dialogue that need not be settled by anyone but us. I still have a very good (not great respect) for you. I have my opinions. You have yours. The beauty of a good chat.

see you tonight. Have a LARGE glass of water before going to bed to help rehydrate yourself.

mim.

Haven't had a drop to drink. Huffing. Paint thinner. That's what we do in ol' Ioway for our kicks. Had fun, tonight, mad. isn't that what it's all about?

"I hate unions". No grey there.

"29 job openings". No grey there, either.

Perhaps you could explain these "shades of grey" to me?

I would hope that you would respect me for a bit more than that.

Maybe if you had the courage to post somewhere besides here and the Lounge I'd have more to go on to respect you for.

I have no interest in making this an open forum on GD.

I don't blame you. First intelligent thing you've done tonight.

I still have a very good (not great respect) for you.

Irrelevant now. Unless you can wake up and see your comments for what they are your respect is unwanted.

I have my opinions. You have yours.

Yes, and yours are deranged. 29 job openings. Remember those words...I plan to.

The beauty of a good chat.

...is that you learn some amazing things about people when booze has loosened their lips.

Yeap.

I'm back up again and regret all I said. LOL. I couldn't give one rat's ass for what you remember. Do me a favor, today. Quit taking yourself so seriously. Thanks.

"Used to fight for money outside bars and clubs". Man. That's been sticking to me. What kind of absolute no-esteem loser would feel the need to print that? Guess I just answered my own question.

I bet you're some worm who got kicked around in high school and now makes a living talking shit on DU.

What kind of absolute no-esteem loser would feel the need to puff out their chest and print that in the first place? Or was it just projection? :rofl:

I bet it's been sticking to you. Probably like the puke on your pillow did this morning. :hi:

Slept like a baby. 'Huffing' isn't the same as drinking. No side effects. Not a 'street drug'. Like crack. Try it.

:wtf:

:hide:

Love to.

...however, something tells me they do not want to join. Mizzou? Blech, they have only been decent for the last 5 years out of 40. Iowa State doesn't bring anything to the table, another Indiana. Pitt? I guess they could bring the old PSU/Pitt rivalry back. WV, yuck. Rutgers? Once again, they have only been relevant for the last 5 years. Texas? Pipe dream. Nebraska? They would not join. Cinci, barf and tOSU would never allow it. I'm not sure who else you could ask and/or want.

Missouri and Rutgers. 14 teams. I disagree with you on the Huskers. They would join. Osborne has already stated such.

Nothing really to gain by bringing in Rutgers. Comcast already has BTN on its digital tier. There is already a deal in place with cable vision as well. And the argument about Rutgers and the NY market is ridiculous. Nobody in NY gives a shit about Jersey, they just dont. And until recently, nobody in Jersey gave a shit about Rutgers.

It's about the best conference in America moving more east. You underestimate the Big Ten grads in the area. Tons and tons of them.

In Chicago. Every Big Ten team has their own hangout. I know DC does. I would imagine NYC has to. Elaborate, please.

What does bringing in Rutgers have to do with the alumni in the greater NYC area?

Wisconsin comes to town. Every Badger in the area (NYC, Jersey, Philly, Conn.) will show up. How many is that? The Big Ten is the shit. Always has been. Always will be. Ask Jack Kerouac. If he was alive.

Would you go?

I don't have a problem with WVa, also. I don't like anything more than 12 teams.

I don't want ND and their attitude in the Big 10. Not a good fit. It they want there is a slot open for them in the MAC.

Remember when Penn State joined in '93? They owned the league the first year but it didn't take long before they fell on hard times. I think ND is looking hard at that. Hence, their reluctance. I see a power play coming. They will be forced by the BCS to join a conference. As Capt. says
it would naturally be the Big Ten.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5106766 Can ya' get down there and ask some questions, mad???

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11680/big-ten-expansion-push-heating-up Hey, mad. What's that last part say?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5119881 I believe a seismic shift of earthquaking proportions is about to go down.

BTW, there is no NY College football market. If the Big Ten thinks they'll get bump from the NY market, they are delusional.

Rutgers or Syracuse? :rofl: Yale/UConn is just as popular.

I lived outside NYC (East Rutherford) after graduating from school. No way you can label it a pro town. New Yorkers will follow anything. Hell, mad. NYC lit up the Empire State Building scarlet in '06 when Rutgers made their memorable run. They flock to tennis for God's sake.

I worked in lower manhattan for many of those years, and believe me when I say there are serious football fans there. Professional Football fans. Giants or Jets. Nothing else. Rutgers?? Fugghetaboutit! There is no real following of college football in the greater nyc area. Will people in the NY market actually pay for Rutgers and Syracuse playing teams they have no rivalry with on the Big 10 network? :rofl:

Since you think this is all financial, why doesn't the Big Ten network just start and own the Big East network????

Yes they also follow the US Open, but not like they do their pro teams.

The place was packed. They had no dog in the fight. I'm saying New Yorkers appreciate good sports. You tell me. Ohio State comes to town and plays Rutgers in the NEW stadium with Pryor at QB and the place isn't packed??? Sorry, Bocephus. Sell out in monster time. You forget about the grads from the Big Ten who congregate in the Apple. Huge. Don't get started on Syracuse. Ton's of Orange, there.

After a few asskicking by even the middle tier Big Ten teams, Rutgers will be the joke it has been in the past.

Oh, fuck. My bad. That's Meeeeeeeechigaaaaaan. Maybe Schiano can take RichRod's place. He's a good coach.

Nothing really to gain by bringing in Rutgers. Comcast already has BTN on its digital tier. There is already a deal in place with cable vision as well. And the argument about Rutgers and the NY market is ridiculous. Nobody in NY gives a shit about Jersey, they just dont. And until recently, nobody in Jersey gave a shit about Rutgers.

I'll find ya, Mad.