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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:30 AM
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Cyclist Floyd Landis Admits Doping, Alleges Use by Lance Armstrong and Others
Edited on Thu May-20-10 07:31 AM by Poiuyt
Floyd Landis, the American cyclist whose 2006 Tour De France victory was nullified after a positive doping test, has sent a series of emails to cycling officials and sponsors admitting to, and detailing, his systematic use of performance enhancing drugs during his career. The emails also claim that other riders and cycling officials allegedly participated in doping, including seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong.

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In one of the emails, dated April 30 and addressed to Stephen Johnson, the president of USA Cycling, Mr. Landis said that Mr. Armstrong's longtime coach, Johan Bruyneel, introduced Mr. Landis to the use of steroid patches, blood doping and human growth hormone in 2002 and 2003, his first two years on the U.S. Postal Service team. He alleged Mr. Armstrong helped him understand the way the drugs worked. "He and I had lengthy discussions about it on our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the inconvenience of the new test," Mr. Landis claimed in the email. He claimed he was instructed by Mr. Bruyneel how to use synthetic EPO and steroids and how to carry out blood transfusions that doping officials wouldn't be able to detect. Mr. Bruyneel and Mr. Johnson could not be reached for comment.

In the same email, Mr. Landis wrote that after breaking his hip in 2003, he flew to Girona, Spain—a training hub for American riders—and had two half-liter units of blood extracted from his body in three-week intervals to be used later during the Tour de France. The extraction, Mr. Landis claimed, took place in Mr. Armstrong's apartment, where blood bags belonging to Mr. Armstrong and his then-teammate George Hincapie were kept in a refrigerator in Mr. Armstrong's closet. Mr. Landis said he was asked to check the temperature of the blood daily. According to Mr. Landis, Mr. Armstrong left for a few weeks and asked Mr. Landis to make sure the electricity didn't go off and ruin the blood. George Hincapie, through a spokesman, denied the allegations.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703691804575255410855321120.html
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:00 AM
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1. Floyd went down, so he's bound and determined to take everyone down.
Talk about a guy who's lost everything. Of course Lance doped. We were just waiting to see who the snitch would be.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:09 AM
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3. Yep. Thats my impression
He's all pissed off because NOBODY believed his Tour De France win and excuse. Now he's out to get people. Unfortunately much like that jackass Jose Canseco, he'll probably be right too.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:28 AM
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2. Bicycling has always had doping
Edited on Thu May-20-10 08:31 AM by wilt the stilt
and Lance is great but the greatest has always been Eddy Merclx..
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:20 AM
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4. So, Armstrong is a cheater
can't say that I'm surprisd. Just about everything I've read over the last few years has pointed in that direction..
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 02:41 PM
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9. Armstrong has never tested positive.
Since we have only hearsay to go by, it stands to reason that if you condemn him, you have to condemn Barry Bonds too.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:48 PM
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13. Actually, Bonds has tested positive...his lie then became that he never KNOWINGLY
took steroids.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:57 PM
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14. Those BALCO tests are worthless..
unless Greg Anderson verifies the chain of custody...something he has refused to do.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:42 PM
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20. Nope, they prove a positive test...the only question is whether Barroid KNEW
about this result when he obviously lied to investigators...positive, convicted obviously, Anderson's testimony can only convict or absolve Barroid of perjury, not of his proven guilt of using steroids.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:07 AM
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29. Ummm I heard he tested posititve under MLB TESTING
same as McGwire Sosa and the others.

What the bleep does Balco have to do with it? Why would they be doing drug testing?
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:59 PM
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15. Are you trying to get the Bonds apologists all fired up? He has not been convicted...
YET!

:D

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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:07 PM
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16. Sorry to disappoint mad..
but nothing you, the amateur detective, or anybody else says about Bonds is going to get me worked up.

I'm very happy he's no longer with the Giants....
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:16 PM
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17. Bonds will ALWAYS represent the Ginats. Unfortunately it will be BARROID and
not his father Bobby. You and your sidekick will ALWAYS be known as SUPPORTS and FANS of a KNOWN cheater.

And sorry, but if you and your sidekick would have come out and apologized to insulting the rest of the Sports Forum you might actually get taken seriously. Instead you and your sidekick decided to keep up the douchitude.

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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:19 PM
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18. Blah, blah, blah
:rofl:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:29 PM
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19. So you are admitting that I am correct. Thanks, upton. BTW, how is
Mr. Bond doing. Any new reporting from him??

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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:04 PM
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22. C'mon, Upton.
I KNOW Armstrong cheated. I'm OK with that. You KNOW Bonds cheated. Just come clean. It's refreshing to tell the truth for once.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:17 PM
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23. I think you replied to the wrong person. Upton is now denying that he
worshiped the Barroid. He and cboy4. Douches
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:34 PM
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27. Seeing as how Condem suggested
Edited on Thu May-20-10 10:38 PM by Upton
that someone wasn't telling the truth, he must have been replying to upton4..
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:43 PM
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21. Would I do that??????
O8)
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:18 PM
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24. You really do want the Fighting Amish to join the Big Ten.
Sorry, but it is going to be Pitt.





Will??

:hide:

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 03:13 PM
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10. But yet you deny that Bond's is a cheater...
The Douche of DU strikes again....
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:41 PM
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12. And Just about everything I've read over the last few years about Barroid has
pointed everyone in that direction. Of course, you were so busy kissing his ass, that you could not even see the obvious.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:24 AM
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5. Well, everyone seems to be agreeing that Lance cheated, and we're
taking the word of a guy who denied and denied and denied, and then suddenly is 100% honest?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:57 PM
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6. That's what I get for defending this douchehammer
Well, I was wrong, Landis is a dickface.
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Elmore Furth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 01:20 PM
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7. Waddya mean? I aint never had nothin but tofu and alfalfa sprouts
Edited on Thu May-20-10 01:46 PM by Elmore Furth


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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 02:01 PM
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8. FWIW
Armstrong denies Landis’ doping accusations

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37247426/ns/sports-other_sports/

Personally, I'd be very surprised if Armstrong hadn't been doing drugs. It defies logic for a man in his mid to late thirties, coming off cancer, to beat younger athletes in what is one of the most grueling sporting events in the world.
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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:08 PM
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11. It doesn't often get pointed out that he was beating non-cancerous, younger
CHEATERS.

And he couldn't be beat.

C'mon.

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happyiowan Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:30 PM
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25. Yawn. What a pain in the ass!
Lookit - that level of cycling is grueling. Who did, who didn't, who got caught, who cares. Look in your heart and tell me that there is a rider out there who isn't suspect. What pisses me off is Landis timing this shit to maximize his publicity stunt. Whether it's riding drunk to stave off the pain or EPO, that level of cycling has always come with substance use. Blood in the closet, blood on the walls, it's a blood sport. And the thing is, as a spectator, I love it, and am willing to accept that the days of "clean riders" never were.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:31 PM
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26. Doesn't using steroids increase your risk of many diseases
including cancer? It makes me wonder. For what it's worth, my neighbor is a former cyclist and dated
Armstrong's coach, and when I asked her if the allegations were true she just laughed and rolled her eyes, in other words, absolutely. I don't know if she's right, or has an axe to grind, but I suspect she used them too. She has an autoimmune disorder that hit her out of the blue, a fitness nut, about ten years ago. Look at Lyle Alzado . . . he swears it was his steroid use that caused his cancer, but who knows? It's playing with fire.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:14 AM
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30. Ummm lots of wrong with your post
1) Steroids are actually proscribed to TREAT autoimmune disorders like Lupus. So no, your neighbor did not get an autoimmune disorder from "steroids". Secondly, EPO and other blood doping drugs aren't actually steroids, they are something different...they help with development of RBC's ENTIRELY different from steroids. Not all performance enhancing drugs are steroids and not all steroids are performance enhancers.
There are however lots of health issues associated with steroids but they are liver failure, heart disease, hormonal disorders, ED, ect...Not really associated with cancer. Lyle Alzado blamed his brain tumor on the steroids but there is no evidence to support his belief.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:42 AM
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31. My neighbor's doctor actually told her all that heavy usse of corticosteroids
could have caused the Lupus. I know from using steroid based creams for a chronic skin condition, they help, but you can cross a line and then they do detrimental things with long term use. I'm pretty sure she's not taking any steroid type medicine for it, she has opted to go the natural route and seems to be doing well. I don't know what Armstrong used, or even if he did, but I believe there's a lot we don't know about what it does to our bodies, and if you mess with hormones, steroids, epo, you're taking huge risks with your health.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:23 AM
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35. I don't think much of your neighbors doctor then
Edited on Tue May-25-10 07:24 AM by TZ
20 years of being ON steroids for her Lupus and my sister would say the same thing. BTW, Lupus is considered by many a GENETIC disease as well.
Oh and I do immunological research on anti-Lupus drugs as well which is why your theory is so WTF to me.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 11:25 PM
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28. Speak for yourself, asshole, unless you have proof
Edited on Thu May-20-10 11:27 PM by rocktivity
You don't exalt yourself or your profession by being too chicken to go down alone.

x(
rocktivity
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:36 PM
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32. You've got to give his this -- he's got a lot of guts
LOS ANGELES — Floyd Landis emerged at the Tour of California time trial on Saturday and hung out in a sponsor's tent days after accusing Lance Armstrong of doping.

Landis didn't speak to waiting reporters and sat with his back to the course much of the time. He was in the tent of Dr. Brent Kay, his longtime sponsor. Landis won the Tour of California in 2006, but his Bahati Foundation team wasn't invited to ride this year.

Earlier this week, Landis accused Armstrong of doping, teaching other riders to cheat and paying off a top cycling official after allegedly testing positive in 2002.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100522/cyc-tour-of-california/
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:34 PM
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33. I don't give him any due.
Fuck Floyd.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 07:27 AM
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36. Guts?
I don't think so. Didn't take much courage for Jose Canseco to be a tattler either. Why anyone thinks it takes courage to rat out people that rejected him is beyond me. He's a vengeful little weasel
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:03 PM
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38. What I meant was that it took guts to show up at the Tour of California after his revelations
I would have thought he would have made himself scarce.
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HaitherG Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:05 AM
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34. Floyd Landis:Lance Armstrong
Landis has emerged and publicly stated to using the steroids, and implicates other past crew members of his, amongst those teammates is a renowned http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2010/05/20/floyd-landis-lance-armstrong/">Lance Armstrong. Armstrong has not commented regarding these claims, but it is stated that he was tested multiple times all through his profession and has yet to show up 'dirty' for any drugs in his system. Landis says that his manager supports the usage of the drug, and several other cyclists use it also. It is clear that his purpose of including Armstrong in his issue is because he don't wanted to be alone in such a way that he don't want to see his teammate in success.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:18 PM
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37. It's amazing how many people like to jump on the LANCE CHEATED bandwagon
Especially when it's based entirely on hearsay from people jealous they couldn't beat him.
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