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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:43 AM
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The Pats were ungood tonight.
If we play next week like that against either team in tomorrow's AFC game, we're meat.

Can't talk bets or smack right now. Too wrung out.

See y'all tomorrow.

*faint*

P.S. CHEERS to Jacksonville. Great team.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:20 AM
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1. Nice post, Will. The Pats played a heckuva game and
won against a seriesly undermanned jag's team!

Onto the next round!

:hi:
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leeman67 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:58 AM
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2. I wouldn't worry
so long as Brady continues to get 10-15 seconds to stand flat-footed in the pocket on every play, their O cannot be stopped regardless of what their D might give up. That is either the greatest O-line of all time, or they just hold on every play and get away with it. OR the Jags pass rush is crap, but I don't think that's the case. Also, is it just me or does no defense EVER seem to cover Wes Welker? The guy is always wide open on every play. I suppose he's just that good?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:21 AM
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3. It seems like the Jags bring a lot of 4-man rushes.
Brady will have all day to throw when opposing defenses respect him too much to blitz. Wes Welker benefits from the constant double teams Moss faces, and even Stallworth takes the pressure off of him. Against that offense, you have no choice but to pick your poison, and hope you get lucky.
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:52 PM
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7. There was a lot of holding in both games yesterday.
But that's just a continuation of a season-long trend. The Seahawks and the Jags should have adjusted to the non-calls. And the Jags really should have abandoned the conservative defensive play-calling. What's the point in trying to prevent the big play if you're giving up 8 and 9 yard plays underneath all game? The end result is still the same.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 AM
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16. Seattle's problem is that they mentally lost it
Holgrem did. Hasselback did. When the two leaders of the team flip out about the bump and run coverage of the defense, how do you expect the rest of the team to keep their heads? The hawks receivers were being punished by the Dbacks even when the catches were being made and then they look to their leaders who are pissing, bitching, and crying to the refs. How do you expect the rest of the team to react.

Contract that to the Packers. They are down 14-0 in no time flat. Is Favre losing it? Is McCarthy? No. They are calm and they lead. Their team responds in kind. Favre let's Grant know that it is behind him and they need to move forward. 6 possessions later, the game's over.

That's why they lost. Not because of "non-calls." Harris, Bigby, Woodson, et al played a great, physical, clean game.
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 PM
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19. Actually, Goblin..that's more or less what I said..
The Hawks didn't execute, and let the conditions and refs get to them. And yes, non-calls were a part of it. The NFL has been relaxing it's penalty calling on Offensive holding, ironically as a result (at least partially) of the questionable call against Sean Locklear in Super Bowl XL for the last two seasons. And, naturally, being the playoffs, every play/penalty/blown call is exponentially more important than regular season. Thing is, they should have expected it... But, the Packers and especially Favre, played a great game. Congrats to them, and here's hoping they go all the way and destroy the annointed ones.

Veteran guard Chris Gray wasn’t aware of the dramatic change in the numbers of holding calls, but he has seen some practical differences.

“Before the ’05 season they made holding an emphasis and I guess they called it more. There were a few calls that changed some games and I think there was a big stink made (afterward), so maybe they’ve backed off on calling it,” he said.

Gray said it was always safe to “lock on” to a defender inside his shoulders, but if he turned and it suddenly looked as if you had an arm around him, the flag would fly.

Kerney wanted to be careful and measured with his comments. No defender wants to look like a complainer – or, worse, get fined by the league.

“Let me bridle my tongue,” Kerney said. “I just don’t think they look for it anymore. The sad thing is, it has become a futile effort to remind the refs about holding.”

Kerney concedes that if a lineman gets his hands locked inside the shoulders, “then he won the battle.”

“When they get outside the framework and it (goes uncalled), it’s a shame. There are probably half a dozen times a game, on average, it could easily be called and doesn’t.”
January 10, 2008
http://www.thenewstribune.com/538/story/250728.html

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:10 AM
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21. I'm not sure the Jags had such a terrible gameplan.
What if they hadn't fumbled deep in their own territory? Take 7 pts away from the Pats. Then it seems that this awful defensive gameplan gave up only 24 pts to the most prolific offense in history. Jax just needed a little bit more O and they could have won that game.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:38 PM
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9. When you have Randy Moss and Donte Stallworth on the field with you,
you're generally not the first priority in coverage.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:12 AM
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4. Brady---26 for 28
3 TD's

Horrible...just horrible. ;-)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:10 PM
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5. They didn't blitz him.
I could rack up good numbers if my recliner was there for me in the pocket.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:05 PM
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6. The CW was that the Jags were the "sleeper" team that could knock off the Pats.
Nope. Didn't happen.

And the rest of the way, the only potential victim opponent they haven't already beaten played is Green Bay.

You might want to step away from the computer and pop open a McEwan's Scotch Ale or something. :beer:
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:30 PM
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13. Good point about Green Bay
I don't care what anyone says; revenge is garbage. NE had a huge advantage by already defeating every potential opponent other than the Packers. I can't see NE losing but at least Green Bay would have a fresh start and no mental hangover going in.

While watching the Colts today, I kept thinking that subconsciously they really didn't want to face the Pats next week. It was the worst effort of the year for Indy in so many respects, particularly defensively. I was wondering if that was coincidental, or the team as a whole wasn't energized to try again vs. NE. It would have been a devastating disadvantage, playing there after blowing the 10 point lead at home.

Indy doesn't really take a reputation hit by losing today. The focus of this season will be all about NE's greatness. But if Peyton and Co. had failed at NE next week, all of a sudden the old reputation of not winning the big game would have resurfaced somewhat.

My YPPA Differential angle sucked today, a solid 0-2. Only 1-2-1 this weekend, and rightfully 1-3 other than my friend finding a very early -11 on NE. Only 3-3-1 for the playoffs.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:56 PM
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14. My Packers are young and don't feel pressure
So bring on the Patriots! This is a true fact. The Green Bay Packers have won 13 games four times in their illustrious history. And three of them have resulted in my Packers playing in the NFL Championship game. I feel this will be no. four and I think the Packers can upset the Pats. Reason? Hell I don't have any logic except that the Packers are the most physical team in the league, will get penalties, but will overcome them. Defense defense defense!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:22 PM
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8. Brady set the QB rating playoff record.
He was godlike. They will roll on the Chargers next week.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:44 PM
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10. What are you talking about?
Brady had the best QB rating ever in a playoff game.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:01 PM
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11. I'm talking about
the 99.999989% of the team that isn't Brady.

Um.

Duh.

(specifically the D)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:55 PM
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12. the D made plays when it had to
That was a very good team they beat.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:28 AM
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15. It was a very good offense they beat.
As bad as the NE defense was, the Jax defense looked worse.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:14 PM
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17. Fred Taylor is very good


I disagree about Jacksonville's D ...... they are good but New England
is just freaking wild on offense. 5 pro bowl players on offense (7 total)
could have been more too.

and 26 out of 28 for Brady passing?
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:13 PM
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22. Part of it was a good Patriot offense...
but part of it was bad Jaguar defense. I swear, it looked like Cousin forgot how to tackle.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:56 PM
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18. He's just perpetuating the ol' Belicheet garbage.
"You guys suck, you could have lost out there, the world hates us, nobody respects us, blah blah blah blah."
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:30 AM
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20. Exactly
You know why a lot of other fans dislike the Pats and their fans? Its not really the cheating thing..Its this junk. Arrogance personified if you ask me.
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