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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:52 PM
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Turned over tapes reveal Pats stoles Offensive signals as well
One tape turned over by Walsh shows Patriots also stole offensive signals
Fish

By Mike Fish
ESPN.com


From Day 1 of the Spygate saga in September, the controversy over New England's illicit videotaping practices has centered on the Patriots' efforts to steal their opponents' defensive signals. But the tapes delivered via FedEx to NFL headquarters in New York on Thursday morning also include evidence of an effort by New England to steal offensive signals, which would broaden the extent of the team's surveillance operation.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and staff members began viewing the eight tapes within hours of their long-awaited delivery, in anticipation of Tuesday's scheduled interview with former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. As part of an indemnification pact reached last month with the league, Walsh agreed to turn over any videotapes or related materials he had from his tenure with the team.

Perhaps the surprise entry on the list of videotaping documents Walsh turned over to the league was tape No. 3, labeled "OFF Signals" from New England's game against the Miami Dolphins on Oct. 7, 2001. That is the only tape labeled as such on a copy of the list obtained by ESPN.com. Walsh's attorney, Michael Levy, confirmed it was the lone footage in Walsh's possession of offensive coaches' signaling from the sidelines.

" contains shots of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players, followed by a shot from the end zone camera of Miami's offensive play, followed by a shot of Miami's offensive coaches signaling Miami's offensive players for the next play, then edited to be followed by a shot of the subsequent Miami offensive play," Levy said of the tape. "And that pattern repeats throughout the entire tape, with occasional cuts to the scoreboard."

More at the link - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=fish_mike&id=3387401

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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:20 AM
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1. They are SO illegitimate. n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:25 AM
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2. Let the chips fall where they may.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:44 PM
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3. Big deal
I highly doubt that the Pats have been the only NFL team to engage in this kind of activity.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:10 PM
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4. everyone does it..
everyone wins 3 Super Bowls. fuck that. fuck the patriots.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:14 PM
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6. So I'm guessing by that logic...
The Pat's are the stupidest team in the NFL since they're the only ones to get caught?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:18 PM
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7. LOL...that's not an unfair way to look at it.
Hey, I'm a Pats guy, as you know, but the "everyone else did it" excuse is BS. If they've truly done something then whatever the punishment is will be fine by me.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:21 PM
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5. Everyone does it, they got caught.
I don't know what can be done about it at this point. They may have cheated my Eagles out of a Super Bowl but I don't want the championship handed over to us 4 years later. All that really can be done is make sure they don't do it anymore.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:10 PM
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8. They should have forfeited the Jets game.
Forget fines & draft picks, try being the only team to have a game forfeited because of cheating. And to have that forfeit as the only black mark in an otherwise perfect regular season.

We wouldn't see this bullshit ever again.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:28 PM
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9. Memories are short
Forfeit one game? Maybe that will keep someone from doing something for a couple of years. Have the team sit out a season, now we are cooking. And we are talking about the most obnoxious coach in the league. Let him answer to the Pats fans and players, not the league. Or, just chuck the fucking rule book out the window.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:10 PM
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10. The nuclear option?
Sad to say even that would likely not be enough.

Its not like college recruiting has cleaned up in wake of the SMU "death sentence"

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:44 PM
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11. But SMU hasn't been the same!
I say give it a shot. Have the league announce in Boston that the Patriots will not be playing a game in 2008 and will not have a draft choice next year. And announce to the league that the next billi-cheat who is found with tapes will have his team sitting out a year as well. Pray tell, who would possibly miss them?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:00 PM
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12. LOL...that subject line really made me laugh.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:03 PM
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13. I recall back in the good old days
when the SWC was the greatest conference in the nation (and was until Arkansas went to the SEC) that the SMU Mustangs were a powerhouse. Damn that recruiting stuff did work huh?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:00 PM
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16. BOSSHOG I Think I Love You!
:yourock:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:59 PM
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15. And Every Game They Cheated In
But even though that will never happen, you are absolutely right, "We wouldn't see this bullshit ever again."
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:58 PM
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14. Having It "Handed To You" Is Not The Same As Cheating, Which Is Far Worse
Just my 2 cents.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:41 PM
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18. Yes, but I wouldn't want it that way.
And I'm sure the players wouldn't either.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:21 PM
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17. and people think that superior coaching won all those games
right. because superior coaching and inferior talent creates dynasties.
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Reynardo Parris Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:52 PM
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19. no wonder they won every year
I knew since that Jets game where the Pats were caught, that they had been doing something crooked all along.
Tom Brady's legacy suffered with this news.
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