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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:48 AM
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Life in the Rubber Room: Where Suspended Teachers Await Due Process

School reformers from President Barack Obama to Mayor Michael Bloomberg have been seeking to measure which teachers are most effective in order to weed out the bad ones. Here in New York City, there’s a symbol of bad teaching: the infamous rubber rooms. This is where suspended teachers wait to be terminated. Currently, about 600 teachers are in these reassignment centers.

A principal can’t just fire a teacher. First there’s an investigation, then a hearing. And all of that takes time. Because the school system doesn’t want teachers accused of incompetence or misconduct to be around children, suspended teachers are sent to rubber rooms. And there they wait.

“The first day we were reassigned here I fell,” Brandi Scheiner, 57, says, pointing to the gravel path. Scheiner is a former elementary school teacher and is walking toward a compound of red trailers outside George Washington High School in Washington Heights. The security guard’s booth happened to be empty at 7:30 a.m., so it was easy to walk through the chain-link fenced gate. There are at least 120 teachers assigned to the eleven trailers here. Scheiner taught in Manhattan for 21 years and was assigned to Trailer 14 last fall.


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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:53 AM
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1. Are these techers still receiving
pay and benefits?
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:57 AM
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2. Yes. But apparently these "detention centers" are being eliminated
as of next fall. Teachers will be reassigned to other places to do clerical work and whatever while they are awaiting their cases and more arbitrators will be hired. See another thread in this forum about it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:13 PM
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10. That's what we do here
If you get in trouble you go downtown and do clerical work while they investigate.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:18 PM
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11. They didn't do it in Washoe County.
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 02:21 PM by tonysam
They just sent me home without pay for eight months hoping I would settle for a pittance. I am damned glad I didn't do it, for I would have forgone unemployment insurance, the payments of which are FAR more than what that asshole district would have offered me.

That's why it is ALWAYS misleading to say "few" teachers are "fired." In fact the vast majority of targeted teachers are "asked" (read forced) to resign in lieu of a dismissal in exchange for a pittance of a settlement and usually a gag order.

It doesn't give teachers an edge to be hired elsewhere, unfortunately. It is simply an admission of "guilt" of whatever (usually) bogus charge a principal levels at a teacher.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:36 PM
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16. They do this in NYC as well. In *addition* to RR's.
I think they instituted RR's cause they were running out of paperwork tasks sufficient to busy the number of teachers they were trying to purge.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:58 AM
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3. I believe that most of them who were in these...
"rubber rooms" were there on "administrative paid leave," which means yes, they were still getting pay and benefits.

Now, however, they will be shutting down these rubber rooms and making these teachers on leave actually do work - clerical work at various administrative offices.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:02 AM
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4. "Making these teachers on leave actually do work"
What kind of statement is THAT? Do you think these teachers CHOSE to be incarcerated into these buildings and FORCED to do nothing?

Do you think principals are right to abuse the process this way in order to commit age discrimination and save money on expensive hires?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:08 AM
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7. do you just knee jerk believe the teachers ?
the process is way too time consuming and wastes money that I am sure could be better used else where the schools, perhaps it is age discrimination but perhaps not
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:09 AM
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8. Because I have been through the FUCKING process albeit in another state,
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 11:18 AM by tonysam
and these charges are almost always bullshit.

It's not kneejerk when I KNOW what I am talking about. You do not.

BloomKlein has allowed principals to do this to senior/veteran teachers and even overaged teachers in order to save money.

These hearings are serious business; your career, which you have prepared for for YEARS can be DESTROYED and you are never allowed to teach again anywhere in the country because of this shit principals can do.

Do you think because principals are supervisors they are always right--they almost NEVER are. Many are failed teachers or people with NO teaching experience whatsoever, like the infamous Iris Blige.

NYC David Pakter KNOWS all about the rubber rooms and what he says is food for thought. He's about to have yet another "trial":

I have been following this discussion for some time and am
deeply touched and moved by the high degree of passion and
pain contained and expressed in the remarks.

Having taught in the NYC public schools system for over
four decades, since 1968, I can say that the entire system
is corrupt to the core. I am now involved in two lawsuits
in the Federal Courts, which contain evidentiary documents
regarding these remarks.

I was a highly decorated NYC Educator but once I became a
Whistle-blower I immediately rose to the top of the
system's "hit list" in 2003 and the NYC schools system has
been trying to bury me ever since.

There is no depth to which the NYC schools system will not
sink once it decides to destroy a Teacher's career - and
this is a nation wide situation and phenomenon.

On Sunday, March 21, the NEW YORK POST, on page 8,
published a statement about me that I had been "charged
with sexual misconduct".

This is an absolute bald faced lie and knowing
fabrication.

Where do you think the two NY POST reporters got the idea
and this libelous false information to include in their
March 21 story ? If your IQ is above 10 you likely
guessed correctly.

Obviously the NY POST will pay dearly for this Libel.

The point is, for those poor babes in the woods, still wet
behind the ears, you have as much chance fighting the
egregiously corrupt public school systems in America as my
Grandmother's sister's family had hiding in the woods in
Russia as the Nazi killing squads came barreling through
the countryside, raping and murdering during the
Holocaust. She, like most, did not survive.

For those who believe the analogy is overly dramatic, wait
until your number comes up and it is decided it is time
for you to go. Wait till the system causes you to lose
everything, your career, your house, the ability to feed
your family, your health insurance, your economic security
in old age- literally everything that one needs and
requires to sustain a normal life and remain a viable
human being.

I salute those and praise the courage of all those
Teachers in NYC and nationwide who have refused to go down
without a fight. But all such fighters for their simple
human dignity and employment rights should know that the
deck and all the odds are stacked against you.

You are battling forces that violate the Laws of the land
everywhere and all the time and usually succeed in getting
away with doing so.

Will they succeed in my case/s ? I have spent a fortune
and will continue to do so to make burying me and my
career as costly for them as possible.

I could have retired long ago at a Pension far larger than
my current contractual salary, after 42 years as a NYC
Teacher. (The contractual salary the system has been
illegally refusing to pay me since October of 2009.)

But I refuse to retire until my State Education Law 3020-a
Teacher trial concludes and the Hearing Officer, a highly
respected State Arbitrator and Attorney, who is
unswervingly honest, has rendered his Decision in this
trial that includes the charge that I "brought a plant to
the school without Official permission". Believe it or
not!!

Again, to all those Teachers who have refused to go
meekly, like lambs to the slaughter, I salute your courage
and your passion to defend your simple human dignity and
your careers.

My Grandmother's family did not survive their battle
against unspeakeable odds. But that is no reason for
American Teachers or for any human beings on this Earth to
capitulate to evil just because the odds are against them.

In the end that is what differentiates one human being
from the next. The individual who goes along to get
along, and the individual who has the courage of his/her
convictions who cannot be bought at any price.

Indeed, in the end, if one's only goal is to just to
survive at any cost, then what is the point. Sometimes
sheer survival can come at such a cost to one's dignity as
a human being, it is not worth the price.
_________________________________________________

WHISTLE-BLOWER AXED - AGAIN



People like you believe in the lie that it is impossible to get rid of teachers--it is laughably easy. However, it is virtually impossible to get rid of principals and other administrators, as the Iris Blige case makes clear.

The ONLY reason it is supposedly "rare" teachers are "fired" is because those who are targeted typically are bribed by school districts with a settlement in exchange for a resignation. This is to save money on lawsuits and on unemployment compensation, which is why teachers should NEVER resign in lieu of a dismissal. It doesn't improve their chances in the job market anyway.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:12 AM
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9. Lol yes I do I am a parent and put 4 kids though the public school
system not to mention I also have one sibling and a cousin who are teachers and one that is a Principal some those teachers may be there unfairly but some I guarantee you are not
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:57 PM
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12. Based on my experience, yes I will knee jerk believe the teachers.
I have seen teachers suspended for some really crazy stuff. Just recently a teacher I know was suspended for walking into the boys' restroom to check on 2 of her kids. A parent complained and she ended up suspended to a clerical job for a couple months.

And that's just one example.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:50 PM
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13. In the case you sited female teacher in boys restroom
some questions at what grade level were the boys she was looking for , was this elementary school, was there any male staff available? In this day and age a teacher really should have the sense to think twice it's nuts but that is the way it is

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:28 PM
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15. Elementary and no males on staff
Going into the boys restroom to check on kids (usually because there is a noise or they have just been in there too long) is something elementary teachers do every day. I've done it literally thousands of times.

This was a case involving a kid who was vandalizing the restroom and his teacher caught him. So he went home and pitched a fit to his mom, who fell for it, made a few phone calls and the teacher got suspended.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:04 AM
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5. good at least there is that
a most large city school systems are pretty cash strapped these days and it is a waste of money to them for doing nothing
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:05 AM
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6. Yeah, it's all the teachers' fault.
Meanwhile, principals like the infamous Iris Blige get to keep THEIR jobs no matter how bad they are or no matter how much students, teachers, and parents object.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:25 PM
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14. my comment was not about fault it was about wasteing money
the punishment if you will was uncalled for and harsh but to simply sideline teachers is also a waste
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:43 AM
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17. K and R #5. Let's watch this whole RR thing closely.
Some variety is coming to a theater near you.
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