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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 10:40 PM Original message |
Formula to Grade Teachers’ Skill Gains Acceptance, and Critics |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't like it |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. LAUSD doesn't use value-added modeling. The Times did. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. LATIMES does |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Yes, I've linked to that study previously. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. If you're chasing children away, yes it does |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The plural of anecdote is not data. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. do you think children "think" well when they're in tears? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Most evaluation methods on people are crap. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I would not want my child in a classroom in which the teacher is mean. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. The times didn't. Bill Gates' paid RAND analyst did. RAND = military. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Thank you lolly. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Value added cannot be made to work. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I had hopes, but you're correct |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. It may have to do with the fact that third grade is an easy |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. mbperrin you are right. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
14. The "system" is analogous to rolling a dice. It measures nothing. It's not statistically sound. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That's the argument that most persuades me against value added |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. The instability also describes one of the reasons it's statistically invalid. |
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