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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:40 PM
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Poll question: Should Catholics who can't be priests be permitted to teach in public schools?
Note that, from the point of view of law, the question is: "Would you oppose an amendment to the Constitution that would make Catholic policy regarding who has the option of becoming a priest into a restriction also on who has the option of becoming a public school teacher? Any individual who is already qualified to teach in public schools in America would be exempted from the new restriction."
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:43 PM
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1. are you saying Catholics should not be allowed to teach in public schools???
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:57 PM
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5. No.
I am asking for your opinion. Public school students may wonder why their teacher -- who is unacceptable to the Catholic Church in the sense of not being good enough for the priest role -- should be considered good enough to teach them. If the public schools teach pure, value-neutral knowledge, then perhaps there is no problem. However, what if students absorb some Catholic values from their Catholic teachers?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:00 PM
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6. hell, I had 8 years of PURE CATHOLIC schooling and I am an athiest
and many who are athiest here were taught in Catholic schools, so it can't be THAT harmful???
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:03 PM
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9. if the priest FAILS the education part of the school...they should not be teachers ANYWHERE
but if they fail because the priesthood just ain't for them...civilian life should be no different for them. I had very good friends in Rhode Island who were former nuns..and one who was a former priest...because they became disillusioned.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:19 PM
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15. This is about the spiritual requirements to be a priest, not the formal educational requirements.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:23 PM by Boojatta
Why should people who consider Catholicism to be correct spirituality and who are themselves spiritually disqualified from the priest role (for whatever reason) have an opportunity to impose their spirit on American public school students?
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:43 PM
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2. Are you referring to women?
This question is too confusing
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:49 PM
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22. my thought exactly.
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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:43 PM
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3. Huh ??????
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:45 PM
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4. Don't understand what you are trying to say
as the two things are separate and not related. Now if you had asked if, say, nuns in teaching orders should be allowed to teach in public schools, that would be something to discuss, because we are talking of people with similar qualifications. Priests and teachers have very different jobs, and the qualifications for each are also different.

If your point is that the Catholic Church should allow women and married people to be priests, better to give that option in a poll. If your point is that all teachers should be single men, then make a poll on that.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:01 PM
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7. "If your point is that all teachers should be single men"
Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:29 PM by Boojatta
The amendment would not carve in stone whatever happened to be Catholic Church policy at the time of the amendment. The amendment would depend upon Catholic Church policy. Its meaning would automatically be in lock-step with Catholic Church policy.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:03 PM
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8. I'm opposed to amending the Constitution to specify teacher qualifications
I know you're trying to make a different point - what a stupid post.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:08 PM
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12. Teachers in public schools influence future voters in their formative stages.
Voters influence the political scene and that scene influences the selection of future Supreme Court Judges. We have already seen that Supreme Court Judges in some cases get to decide who gets to occupy the White House.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:28 PM
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19. so, let's bury children up to their necks and make them perfect little creatures
of our own desire??? maybe that man in Austria had the right idea..just keep em locked up in cellars and never let em leave???
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:05 PM
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10. W-T-F?
:silly:
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:06 PM
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11. WHY THE HELL WOULD THE CONSTITUTION EVEN BE INTERESTED IN PRIESTS???
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:11 PM
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13. Why should there be public schools?
There are no government-controlled supermarkets in America.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:18 PM
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14. Because a democracy needs to have an informed electorate
I believe this was the reasoning behind enacting as a part of the Northwest Ordinance that a certain portion of each section of land would be set aside for a school with extra land to be rented out to pay for the upkeep of the school.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:21 PM
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16. Don't voters need to eat?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:25 PM
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18. well, you need to get a 'clue'..one gets an education in order to learn in order to work
in order to be able to pay for food?? did I leave out a link..like you and not evolved from the origins of the species???
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:31 PM
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20. What good is money for food if there is no guarantee
that space will be provided for places where food will be sold?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:35 PM
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21. have you seen a doctor lately, cause what you are saying makes no sense
AT ALL??? do failedh priests steal grocery stores now?? or just the shelving on which groceries are to be placed????
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:21 AM
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23. At the time of the Northwest Ordinance (1787)
a vast majority of people either raised their own food or hunted for it. In fact, in 1787, I daresay that even the people of Vincennes, Indiana, one of the larger cities of the territory, had few stores where they obtained food. About the only "store bought" products would have been sugar, tea, and coffee, and often pioneers did without these luxuries, utilizing honey and herbs as substitutes. Ye cats and little fishes, man, even my GRANDPARENTS raised much of their own food, and they lived in a small town most of their lives. And they realized the value of a good education, and endeavored to make sure their children were properly trained.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:23 PM
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17. oh the irony!!!! Catholic schools was the impetus of PUBLIC SCHOOLS
never heard of this story of public schools before but here is a link.. http://vox-nova.com/2008/02/23/the-surprising-origin-of-americas-public-schools/
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 08:04 AM
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24. Kick to elicit more votes, comments, and questions.
It might be a good idea to post your own questions designed to help clarify the poll question. I tried to write a clear poll question and continue to hope to write a revised poll with a clearer poll question on the same topic.
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:31 PM
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25. I still don't understand the question
And the options for responses are even more confusing.

Are you saying that since the Catholic church believes that women and married men cannot fulfill the role of priest, that they should also be unsuitable for any other role? I don't see the connection between priests, teaching, and public school. And I don't understand why you're bringing up Constitutional amendments.

I think you have a very poor understanding of the Catholic faith and their policies. Perhaps you should be asking questions?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:34 PM
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26. Why not?
Lots of religious people teach. ??
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:53 PM
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27. Kick
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 07:21 PM
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28. Wow. So YOU'RE the guy that writes all those memos from the district. nt
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