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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:07 PM
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Obama To Fire His First Gay Arabic Linguist
Edited on Thu May-07-09 04:08 PM by FreeState
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-belkin/obama-to-fire-his-first-g_b_199070.html

Dan Choi, a West Point graduate and officer in the Army National Guard who is fluent in Arabic and who returned recently from Iraq, received notice today that the military is about to fire him. Why? Because he came out of the closet as a gay man on national television.

Some readers might think it unfair to blame Obama. After all, the president inherited the "don't ask, don't tell" law when he took office. As Commander-in-Chief, he has to follow the law. If the law says that the military must fire any service member who acknowledges being gay, that is not Obama's fault.

Or is it?

A new study, about to be published by a group of experts in military law, shows that President Obama does, in fact, have stroke-of-the-pen authority to suspend gay discharges. The "don't ask, don't tell" law requires the military to fire anyone found to be gay or lesbian. But there is nothing requiring the military to make such a finding. The president can simply order the military to stop investigating service members' sexuality.

An executive order would not get rid of the "don't ask, don't tell" law, but would take the critical step of suspending its implementation, hence rendering it effectively dead. Once people see gays and lesbians serving openly, legally and without problems, it will be much easier to get rid of the law at a later time.

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No more fucking excuses, no more lost lives - sign a damn executive order now!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:10 PM
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1. jobs, jobs , jobs; oh wait
this is a job
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:11 PM
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2. Yeah but its one of those jobs were apparently its workers dont matter n/t
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:48 PM
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3.  Whitehouse.gov Backs Down on Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
I have posted this before but just in case some have not seen.



Obama is listening----to his commanders on the ground.

If you go to the link the changed parts are highlighted in different colors and easy to see.

At the bottom of the article, it also explains this Tracker tool. Niffy Toast

http://www.propublica.org/article/whitehouse.gov-backs-down-on-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-501



Whitehouse.gov Backs Down on Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t

by Brian Boyer, ProPublica - May 1, 2009 3:47 pm EDT




May 1: This post has been updated <1>.

Update, May 2: Friday night, Whitehouse.gov reinserted language <2> saying President Obama supports the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. The specific language: "He supports repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell in a sensible way that strengthens our armed forces and national security."



A subtle but substantive change in the president's position on "don't ask don't tell" was noticed today by our watchful eye-on-the-administration tool, ChangeTracker <3>. An edit to the civil rights issues page <4> tells the tale.


<4>

Previously, the message was clear. As of two days ago, whitehouse.gov said, "We need to repeal the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy." The new version of the page says that the president "supports changing Don't Ask Don't Tell in a sensible way that strengthens our armed forces and our national security."

In January, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked, "Is the new administration going to get rid of the 'don't ask don't tell' policy?" Gibbs proudly gave a one-word answer <5>, "Yes.”

In March, Defense Secretary Robert Gates seemed to back away from that stance <6>. When asked by Fox News about "don't ask don't tell," he said, "I feel like we've got a lot on our plates right now."

The latest changes on whitehouse.gov seem to further that hedge -- and make it the White House position...........
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:14 PM
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4. Thanks for reminding us of that...
Edited on Thu May-07-09 05:14 PM by FreeState
What I find interesting is when the discussion of DADT has been played out on DU many times we are all told Obama's hands are tied - that yes it should be overturned but he can do nothing about it. Which we now have legal military scholars saying that is not the case - he can stop the firing and then work on the overturning of the law. Hopefully this report will make people not use that lame excuse anymore.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:14 AM
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19. Obama uses it so they will.
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:28 PM
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5. Worst abortion of a headline I've seen yet from HuffPo n/t
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:42 PM
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7. Well he is the only person in the nation that could stop the firing today with a simple order n/t
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:50 PM
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8. Thanks for sharing. Got a comment regarding the content? (nt)
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:43 PM
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17. I truly hope Obama uses an executive order to get rid of the law
I just had a problem with the headline, as it is ridiculously written as a "firing". You don't get fired, you get kicked out of the service. The headline made it sound like he was someone Obama had personally hired and was now betraying via pressure, IMO.

Anyone who has the courage to join the military in this sick country has my respect, they should not be asked to keep their sexual preference a secret, as if it is something they should be ashamed of. The "don't ask, don't tell" compromise that Clinton agreed to was an insult.


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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:28 PM
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6. #5 here.
It's crazy that this is still going on. If Obama has a legal remedy (and the OP says that he does), he should use it!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 06:19 PM
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9. We just got rid of one President who decided which laws he did
and didn't enforce. I want to see DADT ended as much as anyone but I want to see it legally ended not by some end run.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 06:31 PM
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11. I think there is a huge difference between stopping discrimination with executive orders
Edited on Thu May-07-09 07:02 PM by FreeState
and using executive orders the way Bush did. I have no problem with any president from either party using all of his or her powers to end discrimination by any means possible (the article notes the law would still have to be changed but the firings could end imediately).

Edit to add: if Obama is concerned about appearing like Bush in this regard he could simply put a provision in his Order that the order is only valid until congress has addressed the issue. That way it forces congress to deal with it.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 06:19 PM
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10. Maybe the President will write him a nice thank you note, though.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 06:33 PM
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12. In Arabic. (nt)
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:36 PM
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14. With a Smiley face. n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:12 PM
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13. He should have been a more cunning linguist.
and he might not have been fired.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:38 PM
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15. Yeah, That Was Funny.
:eyes:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:51 AM
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23. I guess you didn't get my point about a dual standard
for acceptable behavior.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:49 AM
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24. No double standard
Obama's also kicking out the lesbians:

http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=21121

(All I had to do was read the message above this one.)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:05 AM
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26. But not the 'straight' people that engage in anything
Edited on Fri May-08-09 09:06 AM by formercia
but the 'missionary position, only for procreation' behavior..
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:57 AM
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27. oh come on! it was a funny play on words
Donner party, your table is ready.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:52 PM
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16. FreeState
I think you should post this in GD-P
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:45 AM
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20. Feel free to do so
I'm not comfortable discusing gay rights in that forum currently.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:52 AM
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21. I'm not comfortable discussing them here
in this forum either

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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:58 AM
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22. Self edit...
Edited on Fri May-08-09 02:16 AM by FreeState
If there's anything I can do let's know!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:55 PM
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30. Gotcha
no problem :)
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:50 AM
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25. Don't go to East Lahunga Beach
The straight world is a scary and dangerous place.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:05 PM
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18. recommend
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:09 AM
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28. Barack Obama is an extremely weak man politically
He shies away from controversy at every turn, don't expect that to change.
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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:46 PM
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29. I never have...n/t
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