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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:10 PM
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Osama bin Laden was a religious fundamentalist right-wing homophobe.
Osama believed that only the restoration of Sharia law would "set things right" in the Muslim world, and that alternatives such as "pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, democracy" must be opposed.<31> This belief, in conjunction with violent jihad, has sometimes been called Qutbism after being promoted by Sayyid Qutb.<32> Osama believed that Afghanistan, under the rule of Mullah Omar's Taliban, was "the only Islamic country" in the Muslim world.<33> Osama consistently dwelt on the need for violent jihad to right what he believed were injustices against Muslims perpetrated by the United States and sometimes by other non-Muslim states,<34> the need to eliminate the state of Israel, and the necessity of forcing the United States to withdraw from the Middle East. He also called on Americans to "reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury," in an October 2002 letter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Seems they're all pretty much the same, no matter what culture they are from, or what religion they adhere to.

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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:15 PM
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1. But if you add terror to the mix, your comparison starts to break down
There are plenty of reactionaries all over the world who may hold some contemptible views, but at least reject mass acts of violence against civilian targets. So I don't think they are all 'pretty much the same.'

I'm sure there are plenty of Islamic fundamentalists who otherwise share most of Bin Laden's views but still reject the use of terror . . . and that's a pretty important difference.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:42 PM
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7. Terrorism against GLBT's is pretty rampant. Even legal in some places.
No, I'm sorry to say that the comparison does not break down. Here is one small representation of mass violence against civilian targets.

Despite this past, colonial influence has been pervasive; according to a reporter in Africa, "Africans see homosexuality as being both un-African and un-Christian".<8> Thirty-eight of fifty-three African nations criminalise homosexuality in some way.<6> In sub-Saharan Africa, the government of South Africa is the only official entity to acknowledge gay rights, but even there curative rape is often used against men and women (such as in the murder of Eudy Simelane), and sometimes met with police inaction and apathy. Like the conditions in many other African nations, gays in Uganda currently face an atmosphere of physical abuse, vandalism to their property, blackmail, death threats, and "correctional rape"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 09:02 PM
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9. Of course it's bad in a lot of places
With some African countries as prime examples. But I never argued that no social reactionaries promote violence against civilians. We all know that there are plenty who do. I argued that they aren't all the same because terror is generally rejected by most of the world's population, including many people with otherwise unsavory beliefs.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:48 PM
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13. I hope you are correct.
Edited on Thu May-05-11 12:48 PM by Zorra
But I'm not convinced at all that this is true regarding the majority of RW fundamentalists.

"I argued that they aren't all the same because terror is generally rejected by most of the world's population, including many people with otherwise unsavory beliefs."

Yes. But I think you are validating my point to some degree. Are RW religious fundies held in check primarily because "terror is generally rejected by most of the world's population"?

And not by a genuine evolved conscience based on a humane, well developed ethical belief system?

It appears to me that, for many RW religious fundies, morality is commonly highly relative, and determined by how they are taught to interpret their respective religious dogmas, as well as the degree of social and legal constraints in a society, and not by a personal self-actualized moral/ethical system.

History (as well as the present) is full of tragic examples of the mass terrorism toward innocent persons that occurs when social and legal constraints that bind RW religious fundamentalists are weakened or removed.

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative."
John Stuart Mill
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:56 PM
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8. Here's more examples of RW fundamentalists use of mass terrorism against
civilian targets:

As of May 2010, 76 countries criminalize consensual sexual acts between adults of the same sex.<11> They are punishable by death in seven countries:

Countries where homosexuality is criminalized but not punished by death, by region, include:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:22 PM
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2. Agreed. A typical religious zealot who wanted everyone to believe what he believed. The level ...
of force he sought to use to achieve his ends differed in quantity not quality than the level of force used or sought to be used by most other religious zealots.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:24 PM
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3. Reject fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling? There goes MY weekend!
Usury I'm not sure what it is exactly...could look it up, but I'm lazy today.
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BillStein Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:14 AM
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10. google chase bankcorp
or any credit card issuer!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 12:03 PM
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12. Crap! That means I can't be accused of that!
I like to partake of all seven deadly sins every weekend....although i don't think these are the actual list.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 05:32 PM
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4. And a sociopath....
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:12 PM
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5. We've eliminated America's #2 enemy. Now for #1!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 06:25 PM
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6. Eeeew! You should really warn people about graphic horror.
:yikes:
All kidding aside, that photo really does give me the creeps.
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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:01 AM
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11. Fuck Him AND the Horse He Rode In On!
I sure hope one of the SEALS who finally did him in is GLBT. Wanker. Won't celebrate but I am glad he's dead. Good riddance. And yep,he was, among other reprehensible things, a homophobe.
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