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The Philosopher Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:06 PM
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Judge Says Molestation Defendant Is ‘Gayer than a Sweet Smelling Jock Strap’
from ABA Journal

A Wisconsin judge on Monday said he didn't believe a molestation defendant who insisted he was heterosexual, making his point with references to a jock strap and a prom dress.

Judge Philip Kirk of Waupaca commented before sentencing former New London school bus driver Delton Gorges to seven years in prison, according to Fox11WLUK-TV and Fox6Now.com. “I think you were born gayer than a sweet smelling jock strap,” Kirk said.

Gorges, who drove a school bus for 33 years, pleaded no contest to four counts of fourth-degree sexual assault, the Appleton Post-Crescent reports. Fox11WLUK-TV posted a video of the judge’s remarks.

"I think that if anyone believes that in the last 10 years or 15 years all of a sudden you developed an interest in homosexuality and young boys, then I must have looked ravishing in my prom dress this year,” Kirk said.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/judge_says_molestation_defendant_is_gayer_than_a_sweet_smelling_jock_strap/">Click Here To Read More


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:17 PM
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1. He committed an assault against a 15 year old boy.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:27 PM by pnwmom
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/judge_says_molestation_defendant_is_gayer_than_a_sweet_smelling_jock_strap/

Kirk said he believes the 71-year-old defendant was the victim of a homophobic society in the 1940s and 1950s. "No one knew there was a closet to come out of in those days,” he said. “You know you had to be very careful, because you could have found your penis floating in the Wolf as walleye bait. It was a terrible life to have to live."

Critics told Fox11 they were concerned about the judge’s comments linking homosexuality with pedophilia. "Sometimes people don't say the right thing, but they potentially mean well, “said Andrew DeBaker, co-chair of the gay rights group New Pride. “The thing that concerns me is the linking homosexuality, linking being gay with, in this case, child molestation.”


http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/crime/new-london-police-investigate-claims-of-2-more-possible-victims-of-delton-gorges

"Two men have come forward saying they were abused by Delton Gorges, a New London man accused of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy."

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While this is (and should be) a crime, this isn't pedophilia. A man who assaulted a 15 year old girl wouldn't be a pedophile either. That term refers to people who have sex with pre-adolescents.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:38 PM
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3. ...so what would you call a man who assaults a 15 yr old girl?
What is HIS crime?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:49 PM
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5. It's sexual assault or rape (depending on what he did) whether it's a 15 yr old girl or boy.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:53 PM by pnwmom
But it's not pedophilia or child molestation.
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The Philosopher Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:39 PM
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4. Technicalities rarely matter in the public view
Ephebophilia (as others) is often lumped with pedophilia. It's not the first time a technical and specific word has become shorthand for a whole category (sexual interest in those below the age of consent).


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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:33 PM
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2. What does that even mean???
Wait, actually, never mind. I don't want to know.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:02 PM
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6. It was a stupid, crass thing to say. But he also said this:
(From the link at the OP)

Kirk said he believes the 71-year-old defendant was the victim of a homophobic society in the 1940s and 1950s. "No one knew there was a closet to come out of in those days,” he said. “You know you had to be very careful, because you could have found your penis floating in the Wolf as walleye bait. It was a terrible life to have to live."
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:24 PM
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8. What in the world.....
Edited on Tue May-10-11 02:34 PM by Vanje
does this statement have to with pedophilia, or sexual assault ?
The judge insinuates that hompophobia in the 1940s and 50s makes life "terrible" for gays and turns them into pedophiles, rapists, or sexual assaulters?

You dont think theres something very wrong with that statement?
Thats fucked up.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:48 PM
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10. It has nothing to do with pedophilia. Neither did his crime.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 03:52 PM by pnwmom
Is someone who has sex with a 17 year old a pedophile, simply because the age-of-consent in Wisconsin is 18? No, and neither is s/he if s/he has sex with a 15 year old, even though most states have a 16 year old age-of-consent. Pedophilia refers to an attraction to pre-pubescents.

I'm not a mind-reader, but I think the judge was trying to say that men in his age group often had a great deal of self-hatred involved with being gay, after growing up in an era when the whole world seemingly despised them -- and gay sexual encounters were often furtive and anonymous. Self-hatred doesn't tend to lead to healthy sexual relationships with other adults. The judge seems to think it might have led to this man approaching teens who seemed less likely to resist him.
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:14 PM
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7. Surely doesn't sound like a very professional comment to me unless it was
stated in private......z
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:39 PM
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9. Judge needs to be disbarred
What a disgrace
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:35 PM
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11. How does this judge know how jockstraps smell?
I wouldn't describe them as "sweet."
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:02 PM
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12. Do you have
Edited on Tue May-10-11 07:03 PM by nichomachus
Extensive experience smelling jockstraps?

(Sorry -- couldn't resist)

Go Sox
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