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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:28 PM
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N.H. gay marriage report decried as 'homophobic'
Amid controversy, and based on evidence that gay rights supporters are questioning, a state commission recommended that the new New Hampshire Legislature ban gay marriage and civil unions, but allow minimal benefits for same-sex couples.

Among the controversial parts of the report, released on Thursday, Dec. 1, are views stating that "gays tend to be measurably more promiscuous than their straight counterparts," "that homosexuality is unhealthy and tends to transmit disease." It also questions the ability of same-sex couples in "their ability to raise children." And critics claim that testimony from ex-gays is given disproportional weight.

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Not only were supporters not pleased with the outcome, neither were some of the commission members. As a result, these members wrote a report of their own called the "Minority Report" to contradict the findings of the commission's original report called the "Majority Report." Basically, the minority's report favors same-sex marriage while the majority's report is against it.

The minority's report contends that "throughout its proceedings, the majority forced the commission to plod through antiquated and demonizing debates about whether gay men and lesbians are psychologically stable, transmit disease through acts of sexual intimacy, or are biologically aberrant. "Further, by embracing the testimony of Dr. John Diggs and so-called 'ex-gays' on what can only be called the 'junk science' of so-called 'reparative therapy' that purports to fix gay people by making them heterosexual, the majority has exposed its deep discomfort with gay people."

http://www.innewsweekly.com/innews/?class_code=Ne&article_code=936&PHPSESSID=d4e567aaea1a0cb25008b11cc3025aa4
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:30 PM
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1. how is the wording of that report not
homophobic.

''decried sounds like lots of handwringing'' -- pitchforks and torches is what it seems like to me.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:58 PM
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2. that commission was stacked with homophobes

and a ridiculous, stupid, spectacle from the very start and throughout. Have a look at the newspaper coverage of it- committee meetings purely fights about using the word 'fag' and such. Benson, the former Republican governor and (redundant) a corrupt wacko and panderer to the morons, set it up to get a marriage ban recommendation out of it.

Domestic partnerships, civil unions in a few years, is where the middle of the NH electorate is on the liberal/conservative spectrum to my analysis. There are enough gay marriage supporters to stop a state constitutional amendment barring gay marriage, though.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:48 PM
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3. Craig Benson is a former uni colleague of mine from the 1990s
He was a homophobic prick then and once told me in a meeting that I should "think less about dick and more about business."

Too bad his CableTron scandal didn't engulf him too. I'll still put my ethical record up against his any day -- and I don't need commissions that talk about "fags" yet claim to be neutral to back me up. . . along with plausible deniability.
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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:19 AM
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4. Damn!
Being a Southern boy, I don't have any idea of the mindset of your typical New Hampshirite (is that what you call them??). One would like to think that Vermont and Massachusetts would "rub off" on New Hampshire, though. Anyone have a link to any polls done in New Hampshire regarding marriage or civil unions? I've been to Vermont and NH a few times... both are beautiful states and they are similar in their small-town feel and "queer factor", in other words, both states are attractive to us homos! Come on, NH, you can be the next place to stand up for equality! Isn't the state motto "Live Free or Die" ?
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:08 AM
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5. NH is the odd state of New England
It's pretty much the polar opposite of Vermont, politically.

Although I don't believe the committee homophobia represents the majority point of view with people in the state.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:40 PM
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7. Exactly. NH and its politics and culture are the "odd man out" as
for New England. And it's been this way since New Hampshire was founded. However, it is hoped that as more Massachusetts folks settle and reside in the lower portion of the State of New Hampshire, New Hampshire will change both its politics and its structure of taxation, both of which have held New Hampshire hostage for decades.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 03:45 PM
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6. Definitely Yankee, slightly cranky....

Polling on gay marriage nationally is 30% truly in favor, 55% will vote for a ban. About 7% are conflicted and split up the middle on a ban (they back civil unions) and ~8% initially appear Undecided but, with some effort by proponents, can be gotten to vote in favor of gay marriage by adopting legalistic rationales. The 55% can be split into a 40% that demands no recognition and 15% that agree to pretty minimal stuff, e.g. 'domestic partnerships'.

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon05/11/112705nhPoll.htm

NH was 2% liberal relative to national average last November, Kerry won 50/49. So this polling on gay marriage or its banning, 31/58, is close to right. For a state constitutional amendment NH requires two thirds approval in both chambers of its legislature and in a popular referendum, and I think with some serious effort by activists a 40/60 split emerges should prevent passage at some or all levels.

As for the 'why', New Hampshire was initially founded as what we would now call a conservative/libertarian protest against the Puritan theocracy of Massachusetts. Not much of the state is arable land, the northern limit of where corn will grow runs about 50 miles north of the Massachusetts state line, and there isn't much in the way of minerals, so it was all about dairy farming and then some logging until fairly recently. The mountains are less eroded than Vermont's, so even dairy farming doesn't go well. It rapidly became the poorest New England state and developed a culture of rigid opposition and conservatism toward the rest, i.e. the overwhelming strength of Massachusetts. It became a regional version of Florida or Nevada for those who couldn't afford Florida during the Sixties- it still has no income tax and retirees flocked there, and they and the wacko conservatives who joined them started the 'Taxachusetts' crap there.

Lots of blue collar people who got priced out of Massachusetts and a lot of liberal-hating anti-taxation ideological Republican sorts moved out of Massachusetts to southeastern NH during the Eighties. (That's why their House district closer to Boston is more Republican than the other one.) But the southeast of the state has become exurbia for greater Boston and its New Economy as it expanded. The new people were tech economy people and insisted on better schools, which has caused a decades long fight about funding public schools, which was a brutal stalemate until the Bush economy pulled the rug out from under the blue collar locals. They realized they will become a permanent underclass if they don't educate their kids to par, i.e. kept taxes low at a price of underfunding their public schools as badly as they had all along. So prices and taxation (they have nasty nasty property taxation) have now essentially conformed to those of the Portland area in Maine and northeastern Massachusetts. The rationale to move there to evade Blue State levels of taxes and services is gone, the economy is turning Blue State, the social climate is turning Blue State, Massachusetts people now move west inside their own state rather than across the border for lower cost housing.

NH Republicans internally believe they had their last hurrah in 2002 and, like those in Colorado, they're becoming resigned to turning into a Blue State. The rumblings I hear (I'm in Mass.) are that they believe they're on their way out on the state level (could lose one or both chambers of their legislature) in '06 and can't even find a half-decent candidate to run for governor against Lynch- who seemed to be a lightweight when he first ran against Benson, but has blossomed stunningly in the year he's been in office and beaten back the state legislature's wacko Right leadership. Their (all Republican) federal Senators and House Reps suddenly stopped the wacko Right act the day after the election last year- rarely a peep out of them, a lot more moderacy in public even if they vote the DeLay line,

The wackodom isn't over yet, though. There's the abortion law business (Ayotte v Planned Parenthood of Northern New England) that they're doing in their perverse alliance with the Bible Belt reactionaries. In gay marriage matters, the next important development is probably the verdict in Cote-Whitacre v DPH next door in Mass., which should be issued later this winter.

The archetypical Old New Hampshirite attitudes are the ones you find in middle and late Robert Frost poetry. "Mending Wall" and such, though perhaps more so the ballads. He owned a farm in Derry. And you might be a little less affected by the beauty of northern New England in, say, late February and March- when everything, including the people, seems iced over and gray and cold-wet- than in July or October.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:52 PM
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8. Good overview, Lexingtonian. However, I take issue with the
negative connotation w/ the word "yankee." Yes, there are yankees in New Hampshire as there are yankees in other parts of the northeast particularly here in Massachusetts. The distinction in New Hampshire, however, as opposed to Massachusetts is that many of the Massachusetts yankees acquired money, status, and education over the years wherein the New Hampshire variety remained poor and uneducated, overall, combined with an "individualistic" (stubborn/ignorant) pride. And there lies the rub.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:59 AM
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9. Where were the reports from ex-heteros
who testified their lives were much more stable now that they escaped the clutches of religious conservatives?
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 02:32 PM
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10. I've long advocated an "ex-straight" movement as a parody of ex-gays
It would be glorious!
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