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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:20 AM
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Marriage and the anti-gay crusaders
I'm glad to see some headlines calling those people what they are - and pro-family they aren't!


http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2006/03/10/67576

1n 1971 national attention and outrage ensued when a clerk in Blue Earth County issued a marriage license to two Minnesotans. The controversy of this marriage was surrounding the names on the certificate: Jack Baker and Mike McConnell. It was Minnesota’s, as well as the nation’s, first legally recognized marriage between two people of the same sex.

The Minnesota Supreme Court later that year ruled the union unconstitutional, proclaiming that the “institution of marriage as a union of a man and woman, uniquely involving the procreating and rearing of children within a family, is as old as the book of Genesis.” Thus the gay marriage debate in Minnesota was ended, as brief as it was. So why are there so many clamoring for an amendment to ban same-sex marriages when the state’s highest court already has ruled on it? Perhaps they are driven by hate. The proposed constitutional amendment to define marriage between a man and a woman is simply legislated gay-bashing in disguise. GLBT-identified persons have made great strides with respect to obtaining protection against discrimination and being comfortable publically with their sexual orientation or gender identification.

GLBT Minnesotans, however, have not always had it so easy. When Fight Repression of Erotic Expression was founded as the first student group in the country for gay and lesbian students at the University in 1969, most of its members remained anonymous for fear of being attacked, or even more simply, being “outed” in an unforgiving and illiberal society.

Now that Minnesota has protections for those in the GLBT community, many anti-gay crusaders feel the need to reaffirm they still believe the queer community is sinful and an abomination in their eyes. The proposed anti-same-sex marriage amendment is simply an attempt to further oppress a group that has been traditionally discriminated against. Or perhaps they are driven by fear. Anti-gay crusaders consistently use the argument that this amendment will prevent the destruction of the traditional family. The legalization of gay marriage, they argue, will open a Pandora’s box of possibilities and will ultimately lead to the obliteration of the traditional nuclear family unit.

The idea that the family will be destroyed is absurd at best. If gay marriage were legalized, straight marriages would certainly not cease to exist. The majority of society is attracted to people of the opposite sex, and, consequentially, the majority of marriages would be those between two people of the opposite sex. In other words, people would not flock to get gay marriages.

The problems marriage faces will not go away. Divorces will continue to occur at the rate at which they are happening.

There also still will be single-parent families and families with widows or widowers. There will continue to be families with stepparents, stepsiblings and adopted or foster children. There will continue to be gay children raised by a straight couple and straight children raised by a gay couple.

Are any of these families subpar or inferior to the traditional family unit of one man and one woman? Absolutely not. Of course, there are many in today’s society who would say yes, which is stark reminder of how sad the state of affairs in America is.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:28 AM
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1. I have to chuckle at the notion that when I suggest to
"conservatives" that if they want to maintain the sanctity of marriage why don't they work to ban divorce. The common thread through all the answers is that proposal would somehow infringe upon their "rights." People who oppose gay marriage are people who hate not only homosexuals but the constitution as well. They are mostly ignorant religious zealots who have no concept or appreciation of constitutional liberties and have this notion that somehow biblical scripture has a place in our laws. But only the biblical scriptures that advance their cause. Why aren't people who work on the sabbath stoned to death as is directed in the same bible book that states homosexuality is an abomination? Very simply. Many christians work on the sabbath. Hypocrisy has no bounds.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:42 AM
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3. Yes -- more to the point: Jesus told his followers that remarriage after
divorce is adultury, but he never mentioned homosexuality.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:29 AM
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2. One man - one woman - one time - forever. No D-I-V-O-R-C-E!
THAT, and that alone, will preserve the "sanctity" :eyes: of marriage.

The hypocritical heterosexuals will take others rights away as long as they can still do what they want to do. But by doing so, they aren't fixing the problem, they're just trying to find a way to justify their discrimination and hatred, both of which are condemned in The Bible.

Their God will not be pleased with them for this when they arrive at The Pearly Gates. "Do unto others..."

They are not doing as they have been commanded to do. They will have some explaining to do. A sin is a sin in the eyes of the Lord.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:24 AM
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4. I'm still waiting for some legal challenges - it doesn't say 1 man,
1 woman at a time - so I'm waiting to see some 2nd (3rd, 4th...) marriages get challenged legally.

Just waiting for some rich dude to drop dead in one of the states with the Its Ok to Hate Gays amendments - sweet little young 2nd wife thinks she's going to grab onto the inheritence - right up until the kids lawyer says "oh, wait - the Constitution was amended to say ONE man, ONE woman - and my client's poor, sainted Mother was that ONE woman!"

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:35 AM
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5. That's when the fun starts
It will be a huge mess in the courts. But you can't have it both ways.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 01:14 PM
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6. I have a traditional family - a gay traditional family
How do these assholes think traditions got started? Just fell out of someone's ass?

Tradition is severely overrated. There may be an ideal family but ideals like one man and one woman are not enough if both of them work full time or if they have ten kids or if they have one kid and homeschool him and don't believe in blood transfusions or medicine.

These people are fucking fuckbrained idiots.

A family that consists of parents loving their children and the children loving their parents is the only "ideal" family, and you've got to work for that. It doesn't just happen merely because the parents are of the opposite sex.

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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:11 PM
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7. Tradition used to mean the oldest son killing off the younger ones
who could rival him for inheritence and titles. I don't see many people advocating bringing that one back

(I'm 2nd son, I should as hell would be against it, not that I'll inherit anything but bills)
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:49 PM
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8. Talk-radio host presses for marriage amendment
http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/03/21/20060321-B5-01.html

Tuesday, March 21, 2006
Dennis M . Mahoney
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Janet Parshall said she once asked God to send her to a foreign mission where she could put her Christian faith to work.

Her prayer was answered, she said.

"He sent me to Washington."

The conservative talk-radio host visited the World Harvest Church yesterday to rally pastors and lay people "to speak up for truth" and put heat on Congress to start the process this year to amend the Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman only. The Senate is scheduled to vote on such an amendment in June...

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