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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:18 PM
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Biology book says homosexuality is natural - many biologists covered it up
The scientist gasps and drops the binoculars. A notebook falls from astonished hands. Graduate students mutter in alarm. Nobody wants to be the one to tell the granting agency what they're seeing.

A female ape wraps her legs around another female, "rubbing her own clitoris against her partner's while emitting screams of enjoyment." The researcher explains: It's a form of greeting behavior. Or reconciliation. Possibly food-exchange behavior. It's certainly not sex. Not lesbian sex. Not hot lesbian sex.

Six bighorn rams cluster, rubbing, nuzzling and mounting each other. "Aggressosexual behavior," the biologist explains. A way of establishing dominance.

...

They've been keeping it from us: There are homosexual and bisexual animals, ranging from charismatic megafauna like mountain gorillas to cats, dogs and guinea pigs. There are transgendered animals, transvestite animals (who adopt the behavior of the other gender but don't have sex with their own), and animals who live in bisexual triads and quartets.

Bruce Bagemihl spent 10 years scouring the biological literature for data on alternative sexuality in animals to write "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity."

...

At more than 750 pages of profusely illustrated, carefully referenced information, this is the ideal book to slam down on the fingers of anyone who says homosexuality isn't natural.

http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html

I am so tired of ignoramuses like "Sheriff Holcomb" (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/01/audio-of-mike-signorile-making-fool-of.html) longing for "the good old days" when there was no homosexuality.

Homosexuality has always been around. It occurs throughout the animal kingdom. It is natural.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:20 PM
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1. Maybe Noah didn't have enough time to run a survey --
-- before he loaded up the boat.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:26 PM
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2. well duh!
I'm gay and I hope I'm natural
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:54 PM
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7. You've reminded me of an old saying I used to hear when I first came out.
Re: sexuality, "The only thing unnatural is what can't be done". :evilgrin: :hi:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 10:57 AM
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14. and so far, I have found little to be unnatural
:evilgrin:

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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:44 PM
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3. Charismatic Megafauna
Would Shrub be an example of charismatic megafauna? :-)
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:47 PM
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4. Seriously, if the BIBLE has a problem with it, it's been around for a bit.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:49 PM
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5. But the bible didn't
read that story of David and Johnathan
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:51 PM
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6. Interesting...will do. Thanks.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:04 PM
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9. Its under
1 Samuel 18

just a taste:

And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul . . . And Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:37 AM
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12. Fantastic; great ammunition - thanks.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 04:01 AM
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13. Be careful using that with fundies though
This is one which can get them incredibly irate. They disavow any gay relationship on the grounds that it does not say 'then saith David to Jonathan, thou art a most good lay my lover' (even if it did, they'd find some other screwy excuse); and given their other prejudices it gets tham majorly pissed-off.

Wear flame-retardant clothing when you mention it...but then enjoy it and their reaction to the full.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:22 AM
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15. haha
i find it leaves them speechless.

Although its not as explicit as you suggest, the lines after explain how Johnathan then gets naked for David, disrobing, and giving him his sword. A little more graphic then the "love love love" thing
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:54 AM
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26. It's even better than that. . .
. . . Jonathan gives David his tunic and his sword, strips naked, and they "lay together in the fields" until "David exceeded himself."

Whenever a fundy gets all bent out of shape claiming that I've "perverted the true meaning of that passage," I invite him to strip naked and lie in the fields with me until I exceed myself. They're ALWAYS speechless. ALWAYS. :)
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:56 PM
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29. It gets even better
Saul accuses Jonathon of siding with David, the son of Jesse, to the shame of his mother, so that his kingdom would never be established.

Since the kingship was passed through primogeniture, why would Saul think that Jonathon's kingdom would not be established, that is, that he would never have a son, unless it was impossible, since Jonathon had "sided" with David!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:14 PM
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28. might just have to do that----if only for the fun of it:-)
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:01 PM
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8. Well, duh, anyone that has a couple dogs know this...
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:06 AM
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10. oh, God! . . . pervert apes! . . . let's kill them all! . . .
(likely right wing response to this news) . . .
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ezee Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:19 AM
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11. Fawell was right,
They do get it right in the barnyard.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:38 PM
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16. Thanks, Original Poster.
And thanks to the other posters. I saved some very interesting data. This PFLAG-er just likes to have plenty of ammo ready. Flame-retardant clothing, huh?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:46 PM
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17. It reminds me though of what my Hebrew School teacher once said
I was thrown-out of Hebrew School for a few years because I asked too many of the wrong questions.

One of the questions I asked was, when God destroyed the world in the great flood, why did he destroy so many of the animals? Why didn't he save ALL the animals?

My teacher tried to explain that some of the animals "did wicked things."

I asked, "You mean they bit people?"

I don't remember quite what he said, but now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure he meant that God killed the animals for being gay.

I wonder if somewhere there is a Talmudic dialog debating homosexuality among the animals, or if my old Hebrew School teacher just spent a lot of time thinking about animals having gay sex.

It would be interesting to see if gay animals were acknowledged in early Jewish texts.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 05:15 PM
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19. LOL! I'd have kicked you out too, you little brat!
Just kidding. The dumb things people say in response to a kid's questions. Oh, yeah, that's what God was worrying about.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:56 PM
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18. Can anyone find The Daily Show segment with the gay penguins?
It was one of Samantha Bee's pieces.

Meanwhile...

Gay penguins found in Japanese aquariums
(Agencies)
Updated: 2004-12-27 09:30

Researchers have found a number of same-sex pairs of penguins at aquariums in Japan, with an imbalance between the numbers of male and female birds suspected to be the cause, a report said.


More:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/27/content_403550.htm

Also:
GAY PENGUIN FOR AMERICA 2004

Gay Penguin: Just as Good
Two of the Bush is worth a bird in the White House:

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." - President George Bush, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

Many commentators will observe that Gay Penguin himself is not very analytical, nor does he spend time thinking about himself and why he does things. You see, Charles Darwin once wrote about animal intellect:

"It may be freely admitted that no animal is self-conscious, if by this term it is implied that he reflects on such points, as whence he comes or whither he will go, or what is life and death, and so forth." - Darwin, "The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex."

So, if this lack of self awareness is, as Mr. Bush suggests, a political strength, surely no one can "out penguin" an "out penguin"?

But there's more. As we know, a penguin has no real depth of understanding regarding his own death, or the death of others. But perhaps you will agree that Gay Penguin's grasp on such matters is at least as intelligent as Bush's. Consider this thought, but instead of coming from the president of the united states, coming from a telepathic communication with a penguin:

"Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." - President George Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

While an animal like a monkey or elephant may be able to understand death as well as Mr. Bush does- that indeed, what a killer does is kill things- a Penguin might, too. You see, something that Mr. Bush, a Monkey, an Elephant and a Penguin all have in common is that they are all mammals ahem- creatures of instinct. So, it would be safe to say that yes, a Penguin, too, understands that "killers kill."

That's why Gay Penguin walks away from loud, scary people, as well as any natural predator, such as the terrorist Leopard Seal, which eats penguins alive because it "hates freedom".

http://www.gaypenguinforamerica.com/


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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:05 PM
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20. I've got a copy
Fairly dry reading. The last half is documented examples of homosexual activity in varies species of animals. Pages and pages and pages and pages and pages....
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:13 AM
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21. Homosexuality seems to be a trait of Bilaterians
Which have been around for oh...... 700 million years. I guess Sherrif Holcomb will need a time machine...
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:59 PM
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24. What are bilaterians?
Animals that are anatomically two-sided - or animals that have two sexes (male and female) in the species?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:03 PM
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27. Bilaterians = animals with two sides
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:49 AM
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22. sponge bob has company!
ok -- i have to stop there....
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:52 AM
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23. What?? I greet people like that all the time.
:bounce:
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BTTB Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:34 PM
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25. hah.
"Just cuz animals do it doesn't mean it's right. They're animals, anyway." -Right wing
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