Vaccinations are largest known (documented) cause of SIDS deaths

Each year vaccinations kill significant numbers of infants according to autopsy reports and federal vaccine injury data bases. The numbers of such deaths in other countries is much larger.

Ingredients in vaccines including mercury thimerosal, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc. are known to be extremely neurotoxic, and children receiving vaccinations have been documented to have received levels of these far above the Gov't health guidelines and safety limits. Additionally, vaccines contain other substances documented to be highly immunosuppressive, which allows viruses and other biological and toxic agents to cause more health harm. www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

The federal vaccine injury data bases have documented significant numbers of such deaths, and Vaccine manufacturers have paid out billions of dollars to families whose infants were killed. There is known to be a strong bias on the part of the autopsy and injury reporting systems against reporting infant deaths as due to vaccination. At least 40% of the claims paid for such deaths were reported on the autopsy reports as Sudden Infants Death Syndrome (SIDS). There is evidence the number of vaccination caused deaths is much higher.

According to the American SIDS Institute, SIDS incidence is approx. 2500 per year. SIDS is the second most common cause of death for infants less than 1 year of age, the first being congenital anomalies.

The computer records from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, obtained by Gannett News Service using the Freedom of Information Act as part of a four-month study of federal immunization policy, reveal:

•Of 253 infant death cases awarded more than $61 million by the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in the 1990s under the compensation program, 224, or 86 percent, were attributed to vaccination with DTP, the diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (whooping cough) shot. In these cases, mortality was originally attributed to SIDS in 90, or 40 percent, of them.

•Of 771 total claims filed by parents from 1990 through mid-1998, 660, or 86 percent, contained assertions that DTP was the cause of death. And 43 percent were classified by medical authorities at time of death as SIDS cases.

A second federal database tends to draw a similar connection. This one, for the 1990s from the Food and Drug Administration, contains 460 reports of children who died within three days of receiving shots containing DTP. Of those 460 reports, 266 -- or 58 percent -- listed SIDS as a ``reaction.''

That database is called VAERS, for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It was ordered by Congress to track dangerous reactions to the shots all babies must receive as admission to our society. In typical federalese, the FDA refers to death as an ``adverse event'' or a ``reaction.'' By law, reports of reactions to DTP and other vaccines are supposed to be made religiously by doctors, pharmaceutical companies and public health clinics. But former FDA commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated the reports ``represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events'' -- perhaps as few as 10 percent. Dr. Marcel Salive, chief of the FDA's epidemiology staff, says, ``Any number you get, take with a grain of salt.''

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/December2001/FedClaimsCourtVax&SIDS.htm

October 2007 New England Journal of Medicine - Vaccine Damage: Parents receive $2B compensation pay-outs - Vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2B in damages to parents in America whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs such as the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) or DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus). In all, around 2,000 families have received compensation payments that have averaged $850,000 each. There are a further 700 claims that are going through the pipeline. (Source: New England Journal of Medicine, 2007; 357: 1275-9).
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccine_sids.htm


National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)
On October 1, 1988, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (Public Law 99-660) created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). The VICP was established to ensure an adequate supply of vaccines, stabilize vaccine costs, and establish and maintain an accessible and efficient forum for individuals found to be injured by certain vaccines. The U. S. Court of Federal Claims decides who will be paid. Three Federal government offices have a role in the VICP:
• the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS);
• the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ); and
• the U.S. Court of Federal Claims (the Court).
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System http://vaers.hhs.gov/
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is a cooperative program for vaccine safety of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS is a post-marketing safety surveillance program, collecting information about adverse events (possible side effects) that occur after the administration of US licensed vaccines.
This Web site provides a nationwide mechanism by which adverse events following immunization (AEFI) may be reported, analyzed and made available to the public.

Vaccinate your children. If you don't, you are a fucking moron.

I think parents should make the decision and it should be based on sound evidence and balanced consideration. But I'm aware its very hard for parents to obtain such accurate and balanced advise or information.
This is clearly a very important issue, since there are potential benefits from some vaccines but also well documented significant potential harm, since vaccinations have been documented to cause deaths and many chronic health problems.

NO. Parents should NOT have the right to deny vaccines to their children. That's just the dumbest god damn thing I've ever read.

PS ADVICE not ADVISE. They are different words. They mean different things.

There have been other posts that stated that vaccinations don't cause harm or don't cause much harm. These people have either been mislead by disinformation commonly out there or or knowingly providing disinformation. There is no credible evidence to support their statements.

It has been well documented in the medical literatue that vaccines not only kill some infants but cause large numbers of other chronic neurological disabilities and other developmental conditions. See other post.

It is also clear from the literature that the dangers from chronic conditions where kids aren't vaccinated have been much overblown, and the degree to which vaccines have been responsible for reductions in chronic conditions much overstated. There is in my opinion much more of this, than overstatement of the dangers of vaccines. It is well documented that the numbers of chronic health conditions that are vaccinted for were declining rapidly before widespread vaccination was carried out, and declines happened in ares where there was not much vaccination as well in places with vaccination. Modern sanitation, medicine, and nutritions have been shown to be major factors in these declines. Also many of the conditions that used to cause problems are now much more treatable.

I think that parents should be able to get balanced credible information that represents the real potential benefits and dangers. To cover up or suppress information on the danger is the biggest danger here I believe. If the case is that there is more benefit than danger, it should be easy to make that case.

Personally I think that the benefit outweighs the risk for some vaccines that don't contain high levels of extremely neurotoxic substances like mercury thimerosal. But I also believe that the weight of the evidence supports that the risk of many vaccines far outweighs the potential benefit. I'm very familiar with the medical literature, having searched NIH National Library of Medicine Medline on most topics relative to this and other issues that I deal with. I'm prepared to make the case for many specific vaccines.

In general over the last 2 decades, I think the evidence that millions have been harmed is solid and the evidence supports that for many vaccines the harm has been much more than the potential benefit.

But if there are some who believe otherwise, I think that they should make their case based on solid, credible, scientific information. Not based on statements with no supporting case provided.

1. vaccinations don't cause harm
2. you clearly have NOT read the literature

Since I've recently cited (accurately) over 3000 peer-reviewed studies of relevance to the known harm caused by toxic exposures including vaccines, its clear that I or my advisors/mentors who share this computer and work together with thousands of parents of the kids affected and the clinics treating them have in fact done an extremely large amount of reading of the literature and also have a good understanding of the literature.

No credible person familiar with evidence would assert that vaccinations cause no harm. There are autopsy reports and federal vaccine injury reports and very large numbers of cases contrary to this in the medical literature. Its clear that anyone who would assert this either isn't familiar with the medical literature or posts such knowing that what he says is patently untrue and ridiculous.

Again, I note, the only question is the numbers, benefit vs harm. There are clearly very large numbers on the harm side. I think there are also likely some large numbers on the benefit side for some vaccines.

you're just making yourself look dumb. advisors and mentors? are these stuffed animals or realdolls?

what you're posting here actually should be a criminal offense.

Are you saying we should just disregard that your statement was clearly wrong, while there is no evidence presented that anything I've said is inaccurate.
This is an important issue, people need to have information based on science and the facts, not opinion and misinformation.

There is no credible person familiar with this topic who would not agree that you were wrong in your assertion that
"vaccines cause no harm". Thats a non starter. Anyone can see that large numbers have been harmed, even as acknowledged by federal agencies and the Vaccine manufacturers, who have paid out billions in claims to parents of harmed kids.

The case is also solid that vaccines have caused large numbers of cases of asthma, eczema, diabetes, ADHD, autism, etc. as documented on other posts by peer-reviewed studies from journals such as JAMA, NEJM, etc. and lots of clinical cases tested and treated. Which of these do you dispute?

Mercury is the second most toxic element and has been found to be extremely neurotoxic and immunotoxic, and according to EPA is in the top 3 toxics adversely affecting the public(mercury,lead,arsenic)(3). Infants have been found to be much more susceptible to harm from toxic exposures due to undeveloped brain/neurological system and immune system.


The tolerable daily exposure level for mercury developed in a report for Health Canada is .014 micrograms/kilogram body weight(ug/kg) (2) (0.064 micrograms per day for 10 pound infant)

The EPA health reference guideline for methyl mercury is 0.1 ug/kg body weight per day (1) (0.454 micrograms per day for a 10 pound infant)

Many vaccines are known to have contained approx. 25 micrograms of thimerosal per shot and some still do. It has been estimated that if all of the vaccines recommended by the American Assoc. of Pediatrics were given and contained thimerosal, then by age 6 months an infant would have received 187 micrograms of ethyl mercury(4), which is much more than the EPA health standard for organic mercury(1).

Thus the typical vaccination contained 390 times as much mercury as the Canadian tolerable daily exposure level for a 10 pound infant, and 53 times as much mercury as the EPA health reference guideline. Its not surprising that such extreme exposure levels did significant harm to large numbers of infants. This is especially so for those with susceptibilities such as immune reactivity or inability to excrete mercury (and aluminum). (5) As the federal VAERS data base shows, many were killed and as other documentation shows large numbers more of those most susceptable had significant harm(6). These children have also been found to have been exposed to high levels of other toxic metals such as lead, arsenic, antimony, aluminum, etc. which added to the neurotoxic exposure.

References:
(1) U.S. Environmental Protection Agency(EPA), 1999, "Integrated Risk Information System, National Center for Environmental Assessment,Cincinnati, Ohio. www.asmalldoseof.org/toxicology/mercury.php
(2) Mark Richardson, Environmental Health Directorate,Health Canada, Assessment of Mercury Exposure and Risks from Dental Amalgam, 1995, Final Report.
(3) ATSDR/EPA Priority List for 2003: Top 20 Hazardous Substances, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry,U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, www.atsdr.cdc.gov/clist.html
(4) Halsey, NA. Limiting Infant Exposure to Thimerosal in vaccines. J. of the Amer. Medical Assoc., 282: 1763-66. Nov 1999
(5) www.flcv.com/suscept.html
(6) www.flcv.com/kidshg.html & www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html

In a scientific study of SIDS, episodes of apnea (cessation of breathing) and hypopnea (abnormally shallow breathing) were measured before and after DPT vaccinations. "Cotwatch" (a precise breathing monitor) was used, and the computer printouts it generated (in integrals of the weighted apnea-hypopnea density -- WAHD) were analyzed.
The data clearly shows that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing either nearly ceased or stopped completely. These episodes continued for months following vaccinations. Dr. Viera Scheibner, the author of the study, concluded that "vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths. more

Vaccination: 100 Years of Orthodox Research, Dr.Viera Scheibner, Ph.D,

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccine_sids.htm

A study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found
that children diagnosed with asthma (a respiratory ailment not unlike SIDS) were five times more likely than not to have received pertussis vaccine.(1)
Another study found that babies die at a rate eight times greater than normal within three days after getting a DPT shot.(2) The three primary doses of DPT are given at two months, four months, and six months. About 85 percent of SIDS cases occur at one through six months, with the peak incidence at age two to four months.
In a recent scientific study of SIDS, episodes of apnea (cessation of breathing) and hypopnea (abnormally shallow breathing) were measured before and after DPT vaccinations. "Cotwatch" (a precise breathing monitor) was used, and the computer printouts it generated (in integrals of the weighted apnea-hypopnea density -- WAHD) were analyzed. The data clearly shows that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing either nearly ceased or stopped completely. These episodes continued for months following vaccinations. Dr. Viera Scheibner, the author of the study, concluded that "vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths."(3) (See the diagram below.) http://thinktwice.com/sids.htm

In another study of 103 children who died of SIDS, Dr. William Torch, of the University of Nevada School of Medicine at Reno, found that more than two-thirds had been vaccinated with DPT prior to death. Of these, 6.5 percent died within 12
hours of vaccination; 13 percent within 24 hours; 26 percent within three days; and 37, 61, and 70 percent within one, two, and three weeks, respectively (see the
diagram below). He also found that SIDS frequencies have a bimodal-peak occurrence at two and four months -- the same ages when initial doses of DPT are administered to infants.(4)

1. Michel Odent, et al., "Pertussis Vaccination and Asthma: Is There a Link?" J. of the American Medical Association, (Aug 24/31, 1994), pp. 592-3.

2. J. M. Fine and L. C. Chen, "Confounding in studies of adverse reactions to vaccines," American Journal of Epidemiology, 136, (1992), pp. 121-35.
3. Dr. Viera Scheibner and Leif Karlsson, "Association Between Non-Specific Stress Syndrome, DPT Injections, and Cot Death,"?(2nd Immunization Conference, Canberra, Australia, May 27-29, 1991).
4. W. C. Torch, "Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus?(DPT) immunization: A potential cause of the sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)," (Amer. Academy of Neurology, 34th Annual Meeting, Apr 25 - May 1, 1982), Neurology 32(4), pt. 2.
5. Vaccine Injury Compensation. Hearing Before the Committee on Labor and Human Resources; 98th Congress, 2nd Session, (May 3, 1984), pp. 63-67.
http://thinktwice.com/sids.htm

and their effect on human history...

fuck it. I can't argue with you. I could give you 1000 citations for every one of yours. Your point of view is just so wrong and dumb and misinformed and dangerous. Disparaging the use of vaccines is stupid, vile, foul and idiotic advice. Such advice could kill people. Promoting the non-use of vaccines should be a criminal offense. It should NOT be protected speech.

I find the MIHOP people sort of offensive... I find the UFO crystal crowd silly... I find the Kennedy conspiracy crowd delusional and stuck in the past... but I'm happy enough just to argue with those types. They can say whatever they want. Their opinions don't really hurt anyone.

But I can't tolerate an opinion that really would cause the avoidable deaths of children. The deaths of children. God's balls. Who the fuck wants that except someone insane?

and provide documentation to back up their opinion
www.flcv.com/vaxharm.html

I have a good background in science and the scientific method. I understand when an argument is valid, and when the evidence supports a hypothesis. I don't believe that you can find any credible evidence of mistakes I make in logic, scientific method, or validity of scientific arguments. If I say that the evidence supports a case, I don't beleve you can provide credible evidence to the contrary. But I welcome you to try.

Nor do you understand the scientific method. You are obviously and grotesquely uneducated and ill-informed in this issue.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/publications.htm


FROM THE CDC's SIDS FAQ:


How do we know that some SIDS deaths are not due to vaccines?
This issue has been studied for many years, and several lines of evidence reassure us about the safety of vaccines.

A study using Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) data, which included children who were covered by a health maintenance organization (HMO) health plan, found no association between immunization and deaths in young children. The study investigated deaths in children one month to 7 years of age between 1991 and 1995. Data were analyzed by comparing vaccination histories for each vaccine during the week and month prior to the date of death for each child. Five hundred and seventeen deaths occurred between 1991–1995, most (59%) during the first year of life. Of these deaths, the results did not show an association between immunizations and childhood deaths.


The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) also monitors the safety of vaccines.


Studies that looked at the age distribution and seasonality of deaths reported to VAERS, SIDS and VAERS reports following DTP vaccination, and SIDS and VAERS reports following hepatitis B vaccination found no association between SIDS and vaccination.


The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) carefully investigates all deaths following vaccination that are reported to VAERS. Between 1990 and 1992, the FDA and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) reviewed 208 deaths reported to VAERS. Only one death was believed to have resulted from a vaccine: a 28-year-old woman who died from Guillain-Barré syndrome after tetanus vaccination. The IOM concluded that the vast majority of deaths reported to VAERS are coincidental and not causally related to vaccination.
References
Filiano JJ, Kinney HC. A perspective on neuropathologic findings in victims of sudden infant death syndrome: the triple-risk model. Biology of the Neonate 1994;65(3–4):194–197.

Fleming PJ, et al. The UK accelerated immunization programme and sudden unexpected death in infancy: case-control study. British Medical Journal 2001;322:822–825.

Haber P, et al. Comparison of deaths reported to passive surveillance for vaccine adverse events and SIDS in the U.S. Postmarketing Surveillance 1993;7:205–206.

Institute of Medicine, Howson CP, et al. eds. Adverse Effects of Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines. Washington, DC: National Academy Press; 1991.

Institute of Medicine, Stratton KR, et al. eds. Diphtheria-Pertussis-Tetanus (DPT) Vaccine and Chronic Nervous System Dysfunction: A New Analysis. Washington, DC: National Academy Press; 1994.

Jonville-Bera AP, et al. Sudden unexpected death in infants under three months of age and vaccination status: a case-control study. British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 2001;51(3):271–276.

Niu T, et al. Neonatal deaths after hepatitis B vaccine. Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 1999;153:1279–1282.

Simon PA, et al. Outbreak of pyogenic abscesses after diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccination. Pediatr Infect Dis J 1993;12:368–371.

Vadheim CM, et al. Lack of association between immunization and mortality in young children: a case-control study from the Vaccine Safety Datalink project. Unpublished. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 2000.

demonstrate that lots of kids have been killed by vaccines. See the federal vaccine injury repoting system data base for cases, and I pesonally am aware of a lot of such cases that I've had interactions with the parents. I've provide lots of credible, clear evidence. It appears that you are the one who don't understand the scientific method, since none of your studies credibly prove what you claim.

Vaccines kill many. The following chiIdren suffered a severe reaction to a routine DPT (diphtheria. pertussis, tetanus), MMR (measles, mumps. rubella), or OPV (oral polio) vaccine. They are only a few of the thousands of children who have died or been left with medication resistant seizure disorders, mental retardation, physical handicaps, learning disabilities or other chronic illnesses after a reaction to a routine vaccination.
Chris - Christopher died 21 hours after receiving his 1st DPT & OPV vaccinations at two months of age.
Ashley - Within 72 hours of her 4th DPT and OPV and HIB Ashley was hospitalized with kidney failure and encephalitis. Because of these vaccinations Ashley is severely mentally and physically handicapped.
Richell - Within 10 hours of 3rd DPT and OPV Richell suffered a grand mal seizure. She is now severely mentally and physically handicapped.
Kimber - Within 3 hours of 1st DPT and OPV Kimberly suffered 103 degree fever, high pitched screaming and convulsions. Kimberlie died 2 years later.
Josh - Within 6 hours of 3rd DPT and OPV, at an age of 6 months, Josh suffered high pitched screaming, a 101 degree fever followed by a one hour grand mal seizure. Josh is moderate to severely mentally retarded and severely language delayed.
Anna - Within 2 days of her 1st MMR at an age of 15 months Anna began limping. Within 6 weeks she was totally paralyzed. At age 3 Anna could not walk independently or talk and was severely handicapped and language delayed.
Matthew - Within 26 hours of 1st DPT and OPV and after projectile vomiting, staring, and behavior change Matthew died.

more: www.flcv.com/autisDPT.html
Note: This vaccination alone was not the only factor in the deaths we are discussing. Kids in the 1990s, etc. had very high prenatal and neonatal exposures to neurotoxic substances such as mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, antimony, etc. as well as pesticides, and most importantly other previous vaccines. It is the combined cumulative exposures and synergistic effects that cause the deaths and large numbers of developmental conditions.
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html
www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html
etc.


Again I note, I am familiar with your citations and it is easy for anyone who has a background in scinece and the scientific method to see that they don't prove what you claim. This is the same for other such claimed documentation on other threads. Its easy to make claims, but one has be understand the scientific method and follow it to prove a valid scientific argument. If you like we can discuss individual studies. Are you really claiming as it seems that vaccines cause no deaths, and aren't a major cause of autism, ADHD, learning disabilities, eczema, asthma, diabetes, etc. ? That vaccines do cause some of these are all documented by credible peer-reviewed studies and lots of clinical cases with tests by MDs.

The only question is the numbers regarding the balance of benefits vs harm for each vaccine, and one has to have balanced information to determine this.

No. It is not "easy for anyone" to see that hundreds of peer reviewed articles "don't prove" the safety of vaccines. Indeed, the opposite is true. All of those articles quite handily prove the safety of vaccines.

Yes. Vaccines are NOT a major cause of autism, ADHD, learning diabilities (whatever the fuck those are), eczema and diabetes.

No. You have absolutely no idea what you are writing about.

The websites you cite as authorities are nothing of the sort. They are worthless. They are useless.

A study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found
that children diagnosed with asthma (a respiratory ailment not unlike SIDS) were five times more likely than not to have received pertussis vaccine.(1)

1. Michel Odent, et al., "Pertussis Vaccination and Asthma: Is There a Link?" J. of the American Medical Association, (Aug 24/31, 1994), pp. 592-3.


One study(60a) found 5 times higher rate of allergy among a group vaccinated with pertussis vaccine(DPT) as opposed to an unvaccinated group, and 3 other studies(60bcd) found increased asthma, allergies, and eczema among the vaccinated group. Vaccines given in the first 6 months of infants commonly cause asthma(99).

Mercury(22) as well as thimerosal(31,32) and other toxic metals(50) also have direct neurotoxic effects on brain nucleoid binding proteins through their effect on Ca2+ATPase and Na+/K+ATPase activity. But the effects on the neurological and immune systems of exposure to various toxic substances such as toxic metals and environmental pollutants has also been found to have additive or synergistic effects and to be a factor in increasing eczema, allergies, asthma, delayed food allergies, and sensitivity to other lesser allergens(14-22,35,50). Most of the children tested for toxic exposures have found high or reactive levels of other toxic metals. (30,40,11,12,35,48).

References: www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

Maitra et al (March 2004) Pertussis vaccination in infancy and asthma or allergy in later childhood: birth cohort study British Medical Journal Mar 2004; 10.1136/bmj.38045.858889.EB.
A recent study published in the British Medical Journal investigated whether there was a link between vaccination against whooping cough (pertussis) given in infancy and asthma or allergy. This was a large study followed up nearly 14,000 children up to the age of 7.5 years.

The study compared the rate of asthma or allergy in children who had been vaccinated with the rate of these conditions in children who were unvaccinated against petussis. No link was found between the pertussis vaccination and asthma or allergy in children.

and the mechanism has been demonstrated by large numbers of actual tests on children after vaccination, as I've previously posted.
It would appear that your study has nothing to do with the type of vaccine that my cites deal with-based on your summary of it.

and more details in
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma. J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2008 Jan 17, McDonald KL, Huq SI, Lix LM, Becker AB, Kozyrskyj AL.

RESULTS: Among 11, 531 children who received at least 4 doses of DPT, the risk of asthma was reduced to (1/2) in children whose first dose of DPT was delayed by more than 2 months. The likelihood of asthma in children with delays in all 3 doses was 0.39 (95% CI, 0.18-0.86). CONCLUSION: We found a negative association between delay in administration of the first dose of whole-cell DPT immunization in childhood and the development of asthma; the association was greater with delays in all of the first 3 doses.

Medline URL: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18207561?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

One of many very problematic conditions vaccines are documented to cause:

the most common cause of contact eczema is exposure to toxic metals(1, 6-12,22). The metals most commonly causing allergic immune reactivity are nickel, mercury, chromium, cobalt, and palladium(1,6-14,22). The highest level of sensitization is to Infants, who are most reactive to thimerosal, a form of mercury that has been used as a preservative in vaccines and eye drops(6,7). Many with immune reactive conditions like eczema and psoriasis recover after tests and treatment for the cause of the immune reactivity(11,22 ).

Peer-reviewed references- you can find most in National Library of Medicine Medline
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

'cause I'm pretty sure that you don't. Please... just post your IQ and education. Pretty please.

caused by metals from various exposure mechanisms, including vaccines.

Immune reactivity to mercury is extremely common, documented by lots of tests at medical labs, such as
www.melisa.org which is one of many labs and clinics doing immune reactivity tests.

There have been many millions who've gotten patch test, blood immune reactivity tests, etc.

in addition to the previous cites.

why do you bother? no one on planet earth takes you seriously.

including some from other countries. We've discussed these issues a lot and share info a lot.
Our papers are among the most referenced in the world, have been translated into many languages,
some have been used in courses in Medical Schools, as I could document, and are quoted in books by
MDs, researchers, etc.

but they aren't really quoting us as an opinion, we've over time searched Medline and Science Citation Index before that for most topics related to metals toxicity and health effects related to metals, and our compilations make it easy to find credible papers dealing with almost any topic of interest on such issues. And are fortunate to have both a big Univ. library and state library for easy access here. and access to getting articles copied and put in interoffice mail as desired. Some past research was on job.
Which is why we have over 3000 cites of articles looked at over a long period of time on the links we've posted.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Your sillyness doesn't change the fact that thimerosal commonly causes allergic reactions, atopic conditions(eczema,psoriasis,etc.) which has been for a long time well documented in the Dermatology publications by lots of studies with lots of patch tests (or the more reliable immune reactivity tests). Here is one more of the dozens that have shown this. All allergy doctors are aware of this by their own experience. Eczema is known to be caused by immune reactions to immune reactive substances people are exposed to. I'm one who was allergic and reacted for example, but the rate of reaction to thimerosal is pretty high in general (www.melisa.org for example) medical test lab
millions have reacted and been affected by eczema or etc. The incidence rate of eczema is 10% last time I checked. Asthma at least 15%. Thimerosal has been found to be one of the factors with the higheset reaction rate.

Sensitization to thimerosal in atopic children.
Patrizi A, Rizzoli L, Vincenzi C, Trevisi P, Tosti A. Contact Dermatitis. 1999 Feb;40(2):94-7


5 infants, 2 female and 3 male, ranging in age from 7 to 28 months and affected by atopic dermatitis (AD) diagnosed according to the Hanifin and Rajka criteria, experienced an exacerbation of their clinical condition 2-10 days after mandatory vaccinations with vaccines containing thimerosal. Cutaneous lesions of nummular eczema appeared on the trunk, limbs and face. All patients were patch tested with serial dilutions of thimerosal in petrolatum. A positive patch test reaction to thimerosal 0.1% pet. was observed in all 5 children. 3 of them also showed a positive reaction at 0.01% and 0.05% pet. The present study confirms the high frequency of sensitization to thimerosal in atopic children and suggests that vaccination can cause clinical symptoms in sensitized children

significant percentages of people are immune reactive to thimerosal and mercury in general
www.flcv.com/suscept.html
www.melisa.org
lots of studies in Medline and etc.

One of the main mechanisms by which mercury causes autoimmune conditions is immune reactivity, which affects a significant portion of the population. Some people are known to be so immune reactive to mercury that they pass out from anaphylactic shock when just entering the waiting room of a dental office that works with mercury amalgam.
As I've documented mercury is the most common known cause of autoimmune coditions like MS, Lupus, Thyroiditis, Eczema, Autism and one mechanism of documented causality is immune reactivity. To determine immune reactivity cause, a blood sample can be taken and a blood immune reactivity test done. For those with such conditions the most common cause has been found to be mercury, and the majority recover or signif. improve after mercury detoxification.
I've posted studies documenting this already, but here is a link again that contains such references-
www.flcv.com/ms.html has references for MS, Lupus, etc. I've posted other such as well from Medline.

They start with a theory and look for evidence to support it rather than looking at the evidence and searching for a theory that explains all the evidence.

It is just plain fucking stupid. You should be ashamed for citing such a nonsensical source.

These people are dangerous and so are you.

I checked Medline again, newest study there finds clear link between DPT vaccine with atopic disorders(includes eczema), asthma, hay fever, food allergy. Like I said before that previous carefully done studies have shown.

Reported pertussis infection and risk of atopy in 8- to 12-yr-old vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. Pediatr Allergy Immunol. 2008 Feb;19(1):46-52. Epub 2007 Dec 11, Bernsen RM, Nagelkerke NJ, Thijs C, van der Wouden JC.

Results:
In the unvaccinated group, there were no significant associations between pertussis infection and atopic disorders. In the vaccinated group, all associations between pertussis infection and atopic disorders were positive, the associations with asthma , hay fever (OR = 2.35, CI(95%): 1.46-3.77) and food allergy (OR = 2.68, CI(95%): 1.48-4.85) being significant. There was a positive association between pertussis infection and atopic disorders in the pertussis vaccinated group only.

Medline URL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18086216?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
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Is childhood immunisation associated with atopic disease from age 7 to 32 years? Thorax. 2007 Mar;62(3):270-5. Epub 2006 Nov 7
Nakajima K, Dharmage SC, Carlin JB, Wharton CL, Jenkins MA, Giles GG, Abramson MJ, Haydn Walters E, Hopper JL


RESULTS: Diphtheria immunisation was weakly associated with an increased risk of asthma by age 7 years (odds ratio (OR) 1.3, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.1 to 1.7)

An increased risk of eczema by age 7 years was associated with immunisation against diphtheria (OR 1.5, 95% CI 1.1 to 2.1), tetanus (OR 1.5, 95% CI, 1.1 to 2.0), pertussis (OR 1.5, 95% CI 1.1 to 1.9) and polio (OR 1.4, 95% CI 1.0 to 1.9) but not small pox.

Similar but slightly weaker patterns of association were observed between the risk of food allergies and immunisation against diphtheria (OR 1.5, 95% CI 1.0 to 2.1), pertussis (OR 1.4, 95% CI 1.1 to 1.9), polio (OR 1.4, 95% CI 1.00 to 2.1) and tetanus (OR 1.30 95% CI 0.99 to 1.70), but not with small pox

note: the DPT vaccine has been shown to cause the most infant deaths and the highest increase in all of these immune related conditions of any of the vaccines I'm aware of. The 2nd study here does not appear to have been restricted to DPT, for which even higher increased immune related conditions would likely to have been found.
We would have to have the actual studies rather than just the summary abstract to see the extent to which the study separated out DPT vaccine correlations from individual pertussis vaccinations. Multiple vaccines in multidose vials have been found to have the highest mercury levels and the most adverse effects.

Again understanding that all exposures are cumulative and synergistic, and those affected usually have specific susceptiblities such as inability to excrete metals due to blood allele APOE type, immune reactivity, etc. www.flcv.com/suscept.html

Over the last 20 years the percent of diabetes cases below 20 years old has increased from 2% to over 30%, and there was a 70% in cases under 40 years of age between 1990 and 1998(52,50). Studies in the U.S. and Sweden have confirmed vaccinations to be a major factor in the increased diabetes cases(52). Currently over 16 million have diabetes (52).

Mercury has been found to cause an increase in inflammatory Th2 cytokines(58,22a). In the pancreas, the cells responsible for insulin production can be damaged or destroyed by the chronic high levels of cytokines, with the potential of inducing type II diabetes - even in otherwise healthy individuals with no other risk factors for diabetes(52). Mercury inhibits production of insulin and is a factor in diabetes and hypoglycemia, with significant reductions in insulin need after replacement of amalgam filings and normalizing of blood sugar(52,22a). In addition to this mechanism, other links between vaccines and diabetes have also been found and there is evidence vaccines are the number one cause of Type I diabetes in young children(52).

peer-reviewed study references:
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

It is important to distinguish between two types of diabetes: Type 1, which is the less common form, and usually develops in younger people, and Type 2, which is commoner and tends to develop in people over 40.

It is Type 2 which has increased in incidence in recent years. As part of the general increase in the condition, relatively early-onset cases of Type 2 (mid-to-late teens/ early 20s) are commoner than in the past. But it is virtually never found in infants or young children; and thus does not occur anywhere near the time when children are vaccinated. There is no evidence for an association with vaccines; while on the other hand there *is* a lot of evidence for an association with obesity.

Type 1, which does sometimes (though not always) start in early childhood, has not increased.

After I had my mercury amalgam fillings (those dark metal ones in your teeth)removed a few years ago, I started recovering from a very long unexplained laundry list of health issues. None of these health issues seemed to be related unless you factored in the fact that I had 19 amalgams placed 40 years earlier and still had 11 of them that had not been crowned. Amalgams contain 50% mercury and mine were these huge reservoir looking things in my molars. Edge to edge fillings not just tiny little bits of filling.

I was tested for mercury and other heavy metals before I had my teeth redone. Mercury did not show up in my hair. It did show up very strongly in my urine. As I am no doubt not a good excreter of mercury out of my system that can explain why it didn't show up in my hair. Your system has to excrete the stuff in order to have it be in your hair as that is one of the systems used to excrete it. My system didn't get rid of it on its own. It accumulated all those years all over my body and especially in my brain and various glands. My endocrine system was messed up, I couldn't remember if I had fed the dog or locked the front door, I couldn't sleep, horrible depression, brain fog, speech issues, word finding problems, Rosacea (red and pus filled blotches on my face), early senile cataract surgery at 49, carpal tunnel syndrome, my mineral balance was completely off. Minerals that should be high were low and vice versa

After amalgam removal and detoxing with agents that remove mercury, my urine mercury levels were nearly non-existent on subsequent testing. My other tests were much closer to being in balance too.

Having my amalgams removed and detoxing stored mercury from my body saved my life and gave me my sanity back.

Vaccinating tiny babies, who weigh only five or six pounds, with numerous thimerasol (mercury)containing shots one after the other has to be detrimental to their nervous systems. Mercury in any form under any circumstances is toxic and does not belong in the human body. It is as simple and uncomplicated as that. No need to call people names, get worked up, or anything else. It is the second most toxic substance known to exist on the planet. It should never be touched by people, injected into babies, placed in teeth, or be put into people or any other living thing in any other way unless the goal is to make them sick or to kill them.

Parents of young children should not have to decide between leaving their children vulnerable to horrible diseases or injecting them with a known neurotoxin that damages brain cells. They shouldn't have mercury amalgam placed in their teeth without fully informing them of what it is composed of and the possible damage it could cause either.

1) If you're "not a good excreter of mercury" then how is it in your urine?
2) Thimerosal is only in the influenza vaccine now.

Why don't more people have problems with amalgam fillings? Are you philb re registered again?

But toxicity is dependent on dose and transport mechanism.

There is nothing but anecdotal evidence that mercury from vaccinations or dental fillings is toxic in the doses and through the mechanisms that it is carried.

Fear mongering is not evidence.

Ban air! Sound the alarms!

Proven hypotheses by credible medical studies and clinical cases:
In comparisons between groups that received vaccines with thimerosal vs groups that did not, the groups that got vaccines with thimerosal had much higher numbers with autism, ADHD, and such neurological conditions

In comparisons between groups that received vaccines with more thimerosal vs groups that got less, the groups that got vaccines with more thimerosal had much higher numbers with autism, ADHD, and such neurological conditions.

In studies or clinics testing a group of children with autism, virtually all had very high/dangerous levels of mercury and other toxic metals.

In studies where a group of autisic children were treated by metals detoxification, the majority had reduced levels of metals after treatment as well as reduced levels of metabolic imbalances mercury is known to cause, and significantly improved cognitive and behavioral function.

In autism treatment clinics throughout the country who test and treat children with autism and ADHD, etc.
those tested virtually all have very high/dangerous levels of mercury and other toxic metals, which decline after detoxification.
After detoxification and dealing with the metabolic imbalances caused by the toxic exposures, the majority of such treated children have been found to recover or be significantly improved.

documentation: www.flcv.com/autismhg.html
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

The Autism Research Institute and the Autism Association have done surveys of thousands of parents of autistic children,
Chelation/detoxification was far more effective and safer than any of the other drug based treatments that have been tried.
73% improved after metals detoxification, only 3% were worse; which is much better than any of the other drug based treatments in all regards. This is consistent with the known experience of the many autism treatment clinics treating autism and ADHD patients through out the country.

Autism Research Institute
Parent Ratings of Behavorial Effects of Biomedical Interventions
http://www.autism.com/treatable/form34qr.htm

Chelation: The story behind the headlines
Bernard Rimland, Ph.D. Autism Research Institute 4182 Adams Avenue
San Diego, CA 92116 http://www.autismwebsite.com/ARI/newsletter/chelationstory.htm

you are beating a dead horse.

Show it to me. I've looked at all posted so far its its transparently clear that none of the ones posted validly prove that the hypothesis I listed as my hypothesis here has been disproved.
There couldn't be such, since its been clearly proven with big well done studies
that those with autism got high levels of thimerosal/aluminum far above health guidelines
that the majority tested had very high levels of mercury/metals
That groups of kids who got vaccines with more mercury got lots more autism and ADHD than those who didn't
that groups of kids with autism treated by detox excreted huge levels of mercury/metals; and related metabolic and hormonal imbalance related to the toxic exposures improved; and the kids improved significantly in behavioral and cognitive patterns
Its not easy and each kid has individial issues to deal with and different susceptiblities www.flcv.com/suscept.html
But they are mostly making progress
www.flcv.com/autismhg.html
www.flcv.com/flcv.com/html
Note that this all is supported by the ARI researchers and survey of 25,000 parents of autism as well, as well as the parents on the big autism forums.

Since these things have been clearly documented, there could not be a valid study to the contrary. And its pretty easy to see whats wrong with the studies suggested to do so. Either the form of the argument is invalid, or the hyprotheses false
In many cases for studies suggesting this, the problem is both.

but the large NIMH studies do not support your assertion. They have flatly stated that there is no evidence that vaccines or thimerosal cause Autism.

Also ADHD is not caused by vaccines, either, that is an absurd assertion.



Perhaps you ought to look at the some of the Genetic studies done with NIMH support as well.

by carefully done studies actually doing tests on real patients. Generically epidemeological studies can't prove that no cases of a given condition were caused. But these didn't measure levels of any of the toxic metals shown to cause adverse neurological effects(no credible expert asserts that they don't as there is consenus they do, mercury, lead, and arsenic are on the top of the EPA/DOH(ASTDR) list of toxics causing the highest level of adverse effects and toxic metals are 7 of top 10, much due to well documented immune reactivity
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html
www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html

Lots of peer-reviewed studies here; can you explain whats wrong with them?

Signif. % of people have immune reactivity to metals which cause autoimmune conditions & etc.

Lots of people are immune reactive to metals and they commonly cause autoimmune conditions like MS, CFS, FM, thyroiditis, eczema, autism, etc. to susceptable (immune reactive individuals). When these individuals undergo substance avoidance and detoxification they usually recover or significantly improve. This is documented in the medical literature and by studies on this medical lab site that does immune reactivity test.

summary of study results: http://www.melisa.org/faq.php#3
What is a metal allergy?

Many every day metals can cause a Type IV allergic reaction in genetically predisposed individuals. This allergy is mediated by T-lymphocytes (white blood cells) that have had prior contact to a given allergen (memory lymphocytes). When they are exposed to the sensitizing allergen, these memory lymphocytes respond by enlarging (lymphoblast transformation) and dividing (proliferation). The newly formed cells (effector cells) together with their secreted cytokines mediate the resulting allergic reaction (see test principle).

What symptoms may be indicative of a metal allergy?

The classical symptom is contact eczema. In addition, chronic exposure to metals may cause a wide range of symptoms and has been implicated in the etiology of allergy, chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), multiple sclerosis (MS), fibromyalgia, and possibly multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS).


Which metals can induce an allergy?

The most frequent metal allergens are nickel, gold, palladium, different types of mercury compounds, cobalt and chromium. Occasionally, other metals can induce positive responses in MELISA®, such as beryllium, titanium, tin, platinum and copper.


In which every day items or medical products can sensitizing metals be found?

Jewelry, dental restorations and implants, cosmetics, metal joint prostheses, vascular stents, coins, etc.


Do certain occupations pose a special risk for inducing a metal allergy?

Construction workers (masons, concrete workers): chromium, cobalt; miners: chromium, cobalt; electricians, photographers: chromium; aircraft constructors: beryllium; hair dressers, beauticians: nickel, titanium; galvanizers: nickel, chromium, cobalt, mercury; rubber industry: chromium, cobalt; maids: nickel; wood and paper industry: chromium; shoemakers: chromium; painters: chromium, cobalt; metal workers: chromium, nickel, cobalt; textile industry, dentists, dental technicians: nickel, mercury.


In which fields of medicine does a metal allergy play an important role?

General medicine, dentistry, allergology, occupational medicine, orthopedics, surgery, dermatology, internal medicine, pediatrics, homeopathic medicine, and environmental medicine.


How can a metal allergy be diagnosed?

With a skin test or, more reliably, with the MELISA® test (memory lymphocyte immuno stimulation assay).


More study documentation of specific metals and specific autoimmune conditions caused on the site
www.melisa.org

You know that 1955 spam is still causing cancer so no one should be allowed to eat spam ever again.

:rofl:

It has been well documented in the medical lit and in large amounts of clinical experience, including FDA compilations, that lots of people are immune reactive to toxic metals and get autoimmune conditions from chronic exposures and usually recover or signif. improve after detox. The followin is one peer-reviewed study among hundreds that document this and I'll give a URL to over 60,000 cases of recovery we are aware of.

The beneficial effect of amalgam replacement on health in patients with autoimmunity. Prochazkova J, Sterzl I, Kucerova H, Bartova J, Stejskal VD; Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2004 Jun;25(3):211-8.
http://www.nel.edu/pdf_/25_3/NEL250304A07_Prochazkova_.pdf

Results of lymphocyte reactivity measured with MELISA indicate that in vitro reactivity after the replacement of dental amalgam decreased significantly to inorganic mercury, silver, organic mercury and lead.
All 6 patients with MS showed significant improvement in health.

Out of 15 patients with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) 11 (73%) had improvement of health.

Out of 8 patients with autoimmune thyroiditis 6 showed significant improvement in health (75%).

5 patients undergoing amalgam replacement had atopic eczema for which other studies have found more diverse factors in autoimmunity causes. 3 out of 5 of these patients had significant improvement in condition (60%).
Of the patients that did not have evidence of significant improvement, most tested immune reactive to nickel and the autoimmunity measure was not improved at the end of the study. For those whose condition was worse, the autoimmunity measure for nickel was higher at the end of the study- indicating that amalgam replacement did not resolve the source of nickel exposure.
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The mechanisms by which mercury causes autoimmune conditions like MS, SLE, autoimmune thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, Parkinson’s, etc. is documented by hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and in thousands of people who have recovered after amalgam filling replacement and detoxification.
http://www.flcv.com/ms.html
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60,000 cases of recovery we are aware of: (I have contact info for a lot of these cases-one of which is in our family and several others we work with)
www.flcv.com/hgremove.html

www.flcv.com/

repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition. repetition, repetition, repetition.

Maybe that's all it takes to convince you, but some of us are smarter than that.

Make people believe this shit if I post it over and over and over. Or not.

As usual you put your fingers in your ears and yell LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Keep posting this crap and make yourself look more and more stupid.

The studies in the medical literature have documented some of the mechanisms by which vaccines/mercury cause autism

Immune reactivity/autoimmune effects

(Vaccine Induced Demyelination (or other mercury source)

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-demyelination.htm
http://www.melisa.org/autism.php

Auto-Immunity, Vaccines and Autism
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-auto-immunity.htm#auto



The beneficial effect of amalgam replacement on health in patients with autoimmunity. Prochazkova J, Sterzl I, Kucerova H, Bartova J, Stejskal VD; Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2004 Jun;25(3):211-8.
http://www.nel.edu/pdf_/25_3/NEL250304A07_Prochazkova_.pdf



Hormonal/androgenic effects (www.flcv.com/autismhg.html and www.flcv.com/kidshg.html )

Neurotoxic effects of mercury/aluminum/lead/arsenic/antimony (www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html )

Schizophrenic effects of enzymatic blockages of the enzymes processing glutena and casein(milk products) that result in high levels of morphine like substances in the blood of autistic, schizophrenic, ADHD, children.
(see Univ. of Florida Medical School study- www.flcv.com/kidshg.html )

other mechanisms by which mercury/vaccines have been documented to cause autism are in www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

You just copy the same post and post it anywhere some one disagrees with you.

Nobody believes you because you have posted too much bogus crap about pet owner's surveys and Amazon.com book reviews. You have destroyed your own credibility. You just look more and more foolish every time you re-post the same old shit.

Your credibility has been destroyed, your references are a joke but you keep on


You really are that clueless. Maybe you should start a church since your BS is faith based.

It is not about facts, it is all about his ego.

He needs help.

Everything here:
"Chris - Christopher died 21 hours after receiving his 1st DPT & OPV vaccinations at two months of age.
Ashley - Within 72 hours of her 4th DPT and OPV and HIB Ashley was hospitalized with kidney failure and encephalitis. Because of these vaccinations Ashley is severely mentally and physically handicapped.
Richell - Within 10 hours of 3rd DPT and OPV Richell suffered a grand mal seizure. She is now severely mentally and physically handicapped.
Kimber - Within 3 hours of 1st DPT and OPV Kimberly suffered 103 degree fever, high pitched screaming and convulsions. Kimberlie died 2 years later.
Josh - Within 6 hours of 3rd DPT and OPV, at an age of 6 months, Josh suffered high pitched screaming, a 101 degree fever followed by a one hour grand mal seizure. Josh is moderate to severely mentally retarded and severely language delayed.
Anna - Within 2 days of her 1st MMR at an age of 15 months Anna began limping. Within 6 weeks she was totally paralyzed. At age 3 Anna could not walk independently or talk and was severely handicapped and language delayed.
Matthew - Within 26 hours of 1st DPT and OPV and after projectile vomiting, staring, and behavior change Matthew died."

is coincidence. There is no proof in any of these cases that a vaccination had anything to do with a child's death or disability.

There is plenty of proof that vaccinations decrease infant and child mortality. All you need to do to prove that is walk through a pre vaccination graveyard and count all the tiny headstones gathered around every set of parents.

Shame on you for continuing to post such appalling disinformation.

No one ever said vaccines are 100% safe. It is not magic. There is always a low incidence of bad reactions. However the amount of good that is done from vaccines so overwhelmingly outweighs the dangers of not vaccinating it makes any other course of action stupid and dangerous - not just to yourself but to others.

There are people out there who can't take vaccinations - people allergic to eggs, immunocomprimized folks, cancer patients, etc. We, collectively, depend on suppressing the endemic diseases. When you refuse to inoculate your precious snowflake, it creates a danger to other people.

Refusing vaccination is anti-social behavior for those fit to have the inoculations.

Vaccinations are documented in the medical literature and by clinical evidence to kill significant numbers of infants who are vaccinated. And also to cause very large number of chronic developmental conditions such as autism, ADHD, learning disabilities, asthma, eczema, diabetes, etc.

The National Academy of Sciences found that in the 1990s that over 50% of pregnancies in the U.S. resulted in birth defects or developement disabilties such as autism, ADHD, learning disabilities, eczema, mood and anxiety disorders, asthma, ... etc.
Lots of medical studies have documented that the majority of these were caused by toxic exposures, with the largest numbers by toxic metals like mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, aluminum, nickel, antimony, etc.

www.flcv.com/kidshg.html
www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html
etc.

I can provide detailed credible medical study and clinical case documentation for each of these conditions if you like, but would prefer to do it on another thread if you don't want to go through the big review studies cited above that cite hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and Gov't agency findings.


I agree that parents decisions about which vaccinations that their children should get should be based on sound, balanced information. But its clear that much of the information that they get is not that, and its hard to find a good source of sound balanced information on this subject. Too much money and special interests are involved.

since me and my advisors/mentors on this topic all have had a lot of science and methodology courses, made As in them all, graduated at the top of our classes, and include researchers with lots of credentials and MDs who are board certified in a relevant field, neurology, the problem here isn't a matter of credentials or knowledge but who has the balance of evidence supporting their case.

Again, point out something that I've posted here that is inaccurate or invalid and the evidence to support it. I'm pretty sure you can't.

so you're saying that you don't have any education? what are you 14?

which information that I've posted here is inaccurate? be specific and provide evidence to support your unsupported claims.
We've already seen that you are rather careless in what you say, such as your assertion that vaccines do "no" harm. Its clear that you make statements based on beliefs or opinions, rather than the evidence.
Its likely that both my IQ and academic grades were much higher than yours. Whats your basis for assessing who really understands science and the scientific methods. It should be the accuracy and validity of the information and cites posted and the scientific arguments made. Have you observed any violation of the scientific method in any post of mine? Demonstrate it.

This is an important issue. Lets stick to the science.

Why is your English so poor? Is it a second or third language?

this thread. All philb did was post some information and references as to sources. Immediately two other posters angrily jumped in with unsubstantiated opinions and said in so many words that we should blindly vaccinate all infants, regardless of circumstances or parental wishes or we are all doomed. Geez, talk about being control freaks...


Well, we should take a good hard look at all the poisons we unknowingly pump into our kids through vaccinations. philb is correct. We are killing and damaging our children and we should question what the drug companies are putting into the vaccines and why. They really are poisons. Most are there only for the protection of the vaccines and/or for longer shelf life. That should be a concern for anyone that loves their kids, but apparently not for some people.

Mr. cgrindley and Mr. AngryAmish, a word of advice. Don't believe everything the government tell you. Learn to question. Attitudes like yours are what helped get us into this mess bu$h & company lied us into.

the government?

What about the side effects of NOT having vaccinations - like dying from preventable diseases? According to WHO findings, about two and a half million children die each year, mostly in developing countries, from diseases that could have been prevented by vaccinations.

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Point out one inacuracy in my posts and any credible evidence to that effect. For anything that I say, I can provide specific documentation supporting it.
Its clear that we both are familiar with the literature and we can each post lots of cites to peer-reviewed studies. But a clear statement of what is being asserted is missing from yours. And in some cases your assertions have already been seen to clearly be wrong. Other than that assertion that everyone with any background in this knows is wrong, what other specific problems have you found with my post.

I'll make my decisions based on the best scientific information on an issue. I hope everyone does the same.

The inaccuracies come from:

a) using hokum websites

b) taking studies utterly out of context

c) your utter and complete lack of scientific education and knowledge

Since none of it is of the nature that you describe.
I don't make mistakes of logic and haven't taken anything out of context. I fully understand the scientific method. See the thread I posted on the scientific method. Demonstrate anything I've posted that is contrary to it.

The studies and documentation I cite are very straight forward. Combination of lots of peer-reviewed studies found in NIH National Library of Medicine Medline, Gov't agency info, and lots of clinical cases of kids being treated by clinics that interact with the Autism Research Institute and the Autism Association.
Its interesting that you guys think you know more than those continuously involved in following the research and in testing and treating the kids, and for that matter the parents of the thousnds of autistic kids who likewise follow the research and experience of treatments very closely.

But his grammar background is as bad as his medical background. :rofl:

he's probably a little "ill".

what we are talking about. As noted we have many involved in interacting with the parents, patients, clinics, and go to a good many conferences to interact with those who are doing the research and testing and treatment of the patients.
You guys are being silly with such conjectures. If you've read any of what I've posted it should be clear we are very familiar with the literature, and with the treatment protocols, results, etc. And my information is consistent with the majority opinion of parents of autistics and the researchers and doctors who work with them.


http://www.autism.com

It was replaced in the 1990s by a new, much safer acellular pertussis vaccine. So quoting reports from the 1980s and early 1990s about the old DPT vaccine as evidence that vaccines in general cause damage is very misleading.

Never expect truthfulness or accuracy, just ramblings.

goodbye

My post cites data from federal vaccine injury data bases. What do you disagree with?

And later I documented credibly that vaccines have been documented to have caused lots of other chronic developmental conditions.
What do you dispute in that regard?

You have, in the past, shown yourself to be a loony-toons crackpot who cries "wolf!" at the very mention of vaccinations. You have cried "wolf!" so many times when there was no wolf that you have lost all credibility. Now, when you cry "wolf!" people just laugh at you.

While I find your antics mildly amusing, you should understand that other people are not amused. Because while you are yelling "wolf!" on one side of town where there is no wolf, the real wolves are really attacking on the other side of town where the defenders are distracted by your paranoid ranting.

You would do the world a favor if you would just STFU.

that I'm aware of. Show me an example. I/we are very careful in our research and don't post statements or assertions that aren't supported by credible documentation and evidence.

Stick to the scientific evidence. What that I've posted in this thread can you demonstrate is inaccurate?
No one has so far that I've seen. If you think so, please state exactly what I said that was inaccurate and your case that what you say is valid.

Those studies have been shown to have poor methodology, some are not even of the nature that has relevance to my statement, the hypotheses though not clearly stated are easily verified as not true, and if you understand the scientific method that means the study argument is invalid.

As noted before, there is credible and carefully done evidence that vaccines/thimerosal have been a major factor in autism causation.
See the post on this thread that provides documentation. Thousands of autistic children tested amd treated for mercury and other toxic metal toxicity had extremely high levels of exposure documented by test, and recovered or significantly improved after detoxification treatment.

When a conclusion of an argument is not true- as in the studies you cite, either the argument is not a valid form of scientific argument or the hypotheses are not true. Your studies have all of these problems, as has been previously documented.

But you are still dangerous to those who believe your crap.

The evidence is overwhelming to the contrary, and I think its clear that millions have been harmed;

I understand that many assume that such couldn't happen, and believe what they post, but the clear fact that large numbers have infact been harmed is just another one of those cases of "Incovenient Truth"

No one seems to dispute the information in my original post, and I still haven't seen a credible case made contrary to the fact that as I've said there appears to be solid evidence many have been harmed. We actually interact with the families and the clinics treating these kids who've been harmed, and have seen lots of specific info about their cases.


here is a statement by another researcher who also thinks the evidence is clear. Do you have evidence that his memory of this incorrect.

Harris L. Coulter, PhD. - "Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood."
Two studies by teams of epidemiologists headed by Marie R. Griffin represent perhaps the absolute worst I have encountered in many years of reading this literature (Marie R. Griffin, Wayne A. Ray, John R. Livengood, and William Schaffner, "Risk of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome after Immunization with the Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Vaccine." NEJM 319:10 , 618-622. Marie R. Griffin, Wayne A. Ray, Edward A. Mortimer, Gerald M. Fenichel, and William Schaffner, "Risk of Seizures and Encephalopathy After Immunization with the Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Vaccine." JAMA 263:12 , 1641-1645). For those who are still interested I will attempt to show the reasons for my conclusion.
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/coulter/vacc-deb.html

We haven't even gotten into the fact that vaccines are known to have contained dangerous viruses as contaminants that are documented to have also harmed large numbers, as documented on other threads and by researches such as Dr. Garth Nicholson who is one of the top researchers in this field. I also cited the department head of a major Medical School on this issue in a previous post, who said similar to Dr. Nicholson.
other such evidence from those who think large numbers have been harmed at:
www.flcv.com/vaxharm.html

I think you have lost touch with reality. I think you have an inflated ego. I think you believe a bunch of stuff that is verifiably false. I think watching you struggle to defend the indefensible is a real HOOT!

I just wish there was not such a danger of harm from your propaganda.

My hypothesis regarding autism cause which is the same as the Autism Association, is that the majority of autism cases have been caused by a combination of synergistic toxic exposures to toxics like mercury with vaccines and vaccines with thimerosal being a major factor. This has been confirmed by lots of credible well done studies, and tests on the autism patients being treated in clinics, and the fact that controlled studies and experience of thousands treated at clinics recovered after detox treatment, as confirmed by the Autism Research Institute survey and conference findings.

In recent years flu shots with lots of mercury have been encouraged in Mom’s including pregnant Mom’s and also in kids. Flu shots have extremely high levels of thimerosal. None of the studies that you've cited had any measurements of mercury or toxic levels in the children involved. Mercury in vaccines has still not been eliminated in all vaccines and is only at reduced level in most that had it removed, but the mercury was replaced by another known neurotoxic substance in some of these and there are other known neurotoxics in vaccines such as aluminum, formaldehyde, etc. that have been documented to have adverse effects, for example www.flcv.com/vaxalum.html
for in previous post.

Its clear that none of your cited studies provide any valid case that the hypothesis being discussed here is not true. They don’t have a valid form to contradict my hypothesis.

There have been lots of others who have pointed out the problems with the studies that you cite, but this isn’t my main thing and I only have a few on short notice that I get through Autism Assoc. links.

Denmark Study Problems Overlooked Dr. Russell Blaylock, Neurologist
A recent study found that the famous Denmark study that led to the announcement by the Institute of Medicine that there was no relationship between autism spectrum disorders and the MMR vaccine, used inappropriate methodology. They cut off the age of follow-up at age 6. It is known that many cases appear after this age group, especially with ADD and ADHD. In fact, most learning problems appear as the child is called on to handle more involved intellectual material and are diagnosed after the age of 6. Therefore, the chances are they failed to diagnose a significant number of cases by stopping the study too early.
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/2/blaylock_vaccine_coverup2.htm


A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism
NEJM, Volume 347:1477-1482
November 7, 2002

Kreesten Meldgaard Madsen, M.D.,

Danish Thimerosal-Autism Study in Pediatrics: Misleading and Uninformative on Autism-Mercury Link
Mark Blaxill, Director, Safe Minds September 2, 2003
A report by Madsen et al. published by the American Academy of Pediatrics in their journal Pediatrics claims to provide evidence against a link between autism rates and the mercury in thimerosal, a preservative used in childhood vaccines. Unfortunately, the study analysis is full of flaws and inaccuracies, invalidating the conclusions regarding thimerosal. The study adds little of value to the scientific literature on autism and mercury.
Thimerosal has been causally linked to autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.2,3 Madsen et al. claim to refute such a link by analyzing Danish psychiatric records to assess rates of autism. They compare the number of newly recorded autism cases prior to 1992, when thimerosal-containing vaccines were used, with those after 1992, when such vaccines were no longer produced in Denmark. The authors claim to observe a rise in autism rates after removal of thimerosal, and thus conclude that thimerosal plays no role in the etiology of autism. An in-depth analysis of the report reveals three major problems with the analysis and methodology.
1. The report provides information on autism rates in Denmark that is distorted and misleading.
These distortions allow the authors to make assertions about a rising trend in autism “incidence”
in the 1990s that has no basis in fact. The report’s claims are based on the following distortions:
•Autism counts were first based on hospitalized, inpatient records and then changed in the
middle of the study period to add in outpatient records. This new outpatient registry was
introduced in 1995. Therefore, their purported increases after 1994 can be explained entirely
by the registration of an existing autism population that did not require hospitalization. The
authors minimize this discrepancy and do not adjust for it in their chart (Figure 1), yet in a
prior study using the same Danish data,4 outpatients exceeded the inpatients by a ratio of
13.5 times, and represented over 93% of total cases. This huge gap clearly invalidates their
inpatient data, the corresponding time period from 1970-94, and any evidence for a rising
trend of autism in Denmark. The authors claim that inpatient admissions were rising also, but
the “data not shown”. They did not explain this omission, the only bit of credible data in
their possession, since it compared equivalent populations.
•Additional discrepancies in the autism case counts make the trend assessment unreliable.
After 1992, the registry added in patients from a large Copenhagen clinic, which accounted
for 20% of the case load in Denmark.5 The patients from this clinic were excluded prior to
1992. Their inclusion in subsequent years would drive apparent increases in rates from 1992-
1995 that was yet another form of registration effect.
•The diagnostic category used by the Danish psychiatric system changed after 1993 from
“psychosis proto-infantilis” of ICD-8 to “childhood autism” of ICD-10. Psychosis proto-infantilis
(code 299) is a category that has never been used in published autism surveys outside of
Denmark. ICD-8 contained another, clearly more suitable code, 295.8 for “infantile autism”,
which provided diagnostic criteria similar to current criteria used in ICD-10 and DSM-IV. The
Pediatrics report mentions the diagnostic change in passing but fails to quantify its effect. In
another paper using the same inpatient registry,6 two of the investigators in the Pediatrics
report note that the psychosis proto-infantilis category includes inpatient cases that do not
fulfill the criteria for autism (which would further reduce the value of this case finding tool),
while also noting the that ouptatient cases of autism in Denmark would not be captured.
•The autism trend data are described as an “incidence study”, a marker of quality in an
epidemiological analysis. But the report is in no way a proper incidence study. It relies instead
for its definition of the “incidence” of autism on the date when cases were entered into the
new registry of outpatients. Many of these children were between 7-9 years old, and most
were over 4 years old, when recorded as part of an increasing “incidence” trend. Yet the
onset of autism must occur, by definition in the diagnostic criteria, before three years of age.
Recording an “incidence” event at, say, seven years of age is clearly incorrect. Yet the authors record many such events to report an increase in registrations (especially after 1994)
that they misleadingly describe as increasing incidence. The most widely used approach to
assessing autism trends is to use year of birth as the “incidence time.” This approach was
used, for example, in the California Autism Epidemiology Report by Byrd et al.7 Madsen et al.
clearly have this information as part of their data set but chose not to report it. Failure to
report the birth cohort incidence means that this study’s autism rates cannot be fairly
compared with incidence levels observed in other countries.
•A recent study3 from same group reported Danish autism rates for children born in the 1990s
of 6 per 10,000. This falls below the rates of autism reported in the U.S. (over 30 per 10,000)
by more than 80%.8,9 While emphasizing their illusory increase, the authors never mention
that their rates are actually quite low. Although our estimates confirm that these Danish rates
are very low in the 1990s compared to the U.S. or the U.K.,10 the authors fail to provide the
most basic statistics that might enable a full comparison with other reports. These crucial
omissions suggest a clear bias toward elevating the perception of Danish autism rates later in
their study period. (Danish rates are low because their vaccines did not have as much thimerosal and later vax start dates)
•The report also estimates inpatient rates for the pre-1993 “psychosis proto-infantilis” at well
below 1 per 10,000. If these were true rates for autism, these would be among the lowest
rates measured anywhere in the world at any time period. This low rate would also contradict
the single published survey of autism rates from Denmark, which indicated an autism rate of
over 4 per 10,000 as far back as the 1950s.11 Normally, authors cite relevant studies in their
introductory or discussion sections, but Madsen et al. fail to mention this study, as they fail to
comment on the unusually low autism rates for the earlier years of their study period.

There are only three proper conclusions that one can draw about the autism rates in Denmark
based on available data. 1) The rates in the 1990s are low compared to the U.S. and U.K. and
possibly stable with respect to trend. 2) The 1990s Danish autism rates are similar to rates in the
1950s. 3) There are still no published, usable data about Danish autism rates in persons born
between 1960-90. (the reasons for some of these and why different from U.S. are known)

2. The mercury exposure levels described in Madsen et al. are likely to be overstated. The authors
describe a level of mercury exposure to Danish infants of 125 micrograms (mcg) by 10 months of
age between 1970-92, a period in which they claim (without justification) that autism rates were
low. All exposures came from the monovalent pertussis vaccine manufactured by Statens Serum
Institut, which, according to the paper, provided the vaccine coverage rates reported therein.
•These mercury levels of 125 mcg are substantially lower and later than those scheduled in
the U.S. in the 1990s, 187.5 mcg by six months.12
•The exposure level of 125 mcg requires full compliance by Danish parents. The authors
assert coverage rates of over 90% for this schedule, yet a recent report using the same data
suggests that completion rates were well below 90%.5 The authors also fail to provide any
information regarding the timing of the actual exposures. Given widespread Scandinavian
concern over pertussis vaccine (Sweden banned pertussis vaccines in 1979) it would be
surprising if coverage rates were as high as 90% and if on-time schedule compliance was
common throughout the 1970-1992 period. Documentation of compliance rates by Statens
Serum Institute is needed.
•These ethyl mercury exposures --at 50 mcg per dose for the 9 week and 10 month injections--
are the highest amounts ever described in any single vaccine dose. The authors fail to
acknowledge this unusual mercury level and to provide an explanation for why this
formulation was so much higher than formulations used in all other countries and by all other
manufacturers, which were typically 25 mcg per dose.
3. The context for the early mercury exposures was completely different in Denmark when
compared to any other country, and particularly compared to the U.S. and U.K., where autism
rates are being watched most closely. The Danish report describes a different world of vaccine
exposures and ignores exposures that are present today that were not present in Denmark in the
1970s. Autism onset has been reliably associated with exposure to viruses.13 In the cases where
increasing thimerosal exposures have accompanied autism increases, numerous additional
confounders were present that were not present in Denmark.
•Between 1970-92, the only childhood vaccine given in Denmark until 5 months of age was the
monovalent pertussis vaccine.
•In the United States in the 1990s, children were exposed to multiple doses of diphtheria,
pertussis, tetanus, polio, hepatitis B and haemophilus influenza B (Hib) vaccines before five
months of age.
•In the United Kingdom, injections before age 5 months included multiple doses of meningitis
C, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, Hib, and pertussis vaccines. Increasing autism rates there were
accompanied by earlier thimerosal exposures due to schedule changes, new exposures to
MMR and Hib vaccines, and stringent on-time compliance procedures.
•Denmark did not administer thimerosal-containing Rho D immunoglobulin during pregnancy.
In summary, the report by Madsen et al. appears to be an attempt to present selectively chosen data that provide support for policy choices in which the authors and their collaborators are involved. Once again, rather than seriously evaluating the autism-mercury hypothesis and carrying out the research agenda specified by the Institute of Medicine14 in 2001, public health authorities (now teamed with a Danish vaccine manufacturer) have chosen to issue another piece of propaganda masquerading as science, with the only possible outcome being that legitimate research and discussion might be suppressed. We sincerely hope that well-informed scientists and public officials will note the flaws in this report and be motivated to conduct the recommended investigations into the autism-mercury connection, which still await completion.
References:
http://www.safeminds.org/research/docs/Blaxill-DenmarkAutismThimerosalPediatrics.pdf

MMR vaccine documented to cause serious harm to children’s immune systems
The work of Diane E Griffin and colleagues of Johns Hopkins establishes that measles virus and measles-vaccinations impair cell-mediated immunity (CMI) and increase the likelihood of other viral infections (eg, 1-3).
These findings are supported by the work of Martinez et al (i) who admit and are trying to solve vaccination-induced, *long-term* impairment of CMI, and (ii) who mention herpes simplex virus (HSV) as an example of the kind of infection exacerbated by vaccination-induced, long-term impairments of CMI (4).
The work of Itzhaki and colleagues has identified HSV as an important component of Alzheimer's, especially in persons having the a certain allele of an apolipoprotein gene (5).
Conclusions:
1. These data suggest that a person's risk of developing Alzheimer's is increased by having had vaccinations and the resulting long-term impairment of cell-mediated immunity. 2. These data also suggest that, if vaccinated, an older person who has a latent infection with one of the herpes-class viruses would be likelier to (i) experience a significant re-activation of the virus, and/or (ii) be at increased risk for other viral infections -- due to vaccination-induced impairments of cell-mediated immunity.
http://www.whale.to/v/binstock3.html

Toxic Overload: Assessing the Role of Mercury in Autism
By Boyd E. Haley, PhD, Univ. of Kentucky, Mothering Magazine,
Issue 115, November/December 200
Thimerosal is an inhibitor of the brain protein tubulin. One of the jobs of tubulin is to support the axon structure of nerve axons; exposure to thimerosal, or mercury, destroys this capability. Tubulin also has another job: it is involved in formation of the meiotic spindle on which a cell splits in two. In other words, tubulin is needed for cell division, and cell division is needed for development of an immune response. Inhibit tubulin function with thimerosal injections, and you inhibit the immune response.
I have been told that the MMR vaccination is often given at the same time that three thimerosal-containing vaccines are given. Inhibit the immune response with the thimerosal-containing vaccinations, and an infant has less ability to respond to the measles virus in the MMR vaccination that is injected at the same setting. This might explain the presence of measles virus in about 80 percent of autistic children. http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/vaccines/toxic.html


Autism Study by Dr. Eric Fombonne is Inaccurate and
Incomplete; SafeMinds Aims to Correct Misinformation

Washington, DC – A Quebec study to be published in the July 2006 issue of Pediatrics,
the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, states that it is “very clear”
that there is no relationship between mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines and the onset
of autism. Dr. Eric Fombonne of the McGill University Health Center bases his opinion
on a study among schoolchildren in Quebec, Canada. According to an analysis by
SafeMinds, however, the study methodology is unlikely to lend itself to such declarative
statements and should be treated with skepticism, for a number of reasons.
The study looked at 27,749 students in grades kindergarten through 12th grade in a
Montreal school district and found 187 cases of autism. The vast majority of these cases
(more than 90%) were born in years in which thimerosal vaccines were widely used for
infants in Quebec, as they were in the US. Only a tiny fraction of the autism students
were born when thimerosal-free DTP and Hib vaccines were given, and these students
may have been exposed to thimerosal from the Hepatitis B vaccine newly recommended
for infants of foreign born parents, which made up over one fourth of the greater
Montreal population.
http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/pres_releases/Fombonne-6-30-06.pdf

You are just a barrel of laughs. Except to the people who die or get sick from following your posts.

and lots of studies and tests by the clinics treating them on real kids.

I've shown that the Autism Research Institute researchers who've been studying this for many years and work with real kids and parents of the kids, and who have had conferences with researchers and MDs treating the kids has confirmed the validity of what I say and consistent with the many studies I've cited that confirms the same things. And that the majority of parents of the thousands of kids under discussion here virtually unanamously affirm what I've said. This can also be determined from the large autism forums on sites like yahoogroups from survey results and fact sheets, etc. on those sites.

I note again, there is no credible study that I'm aware of that has tested large groups of these kids and contradicted the information from the Austism Assoc. and the clinics that treat the kids in question.

I also point out that this thread started out being about SIDS, for which the federal report data bases and other documentation here make a clear case that much if not most of SIDs has been caused by vaccinations.

while you cut and paste from google and cite bogus crap from bogus associations I am laughing my ass off.

You have no credibility. You are intellectually dishonest. You haver no significant credentials. You are the quintessential Woo-Woo! And I only make fun of you because you make it soooooo easy.

:rofl:

Your logic seems to be:

(1) My views are correct.

(2) Therefore any person or study that contradicts them cannot be credible.

(3) Therefore no credible person or study has contradicted my views.


Do you at least accept that many children have died through NOT being vaccinated?

Parents Say California Autism Study is Flawed
Posted by Jane Akre
Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:51 PM EST

Critics say the premise of a newly published study that discounts thimerosal's link to autism is flawed.

The study, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, finds that the number of autism cases among California children continued to increase from January 1995 to March 2007 despite the discontinuance of the mercury containing preservative in vaccines.

Therefore the California Department of Developmental Services (DDS) concludes that, “The
DDS data do not show any recent decrease in autism in California despite the exclusion of more than trace levels of thimerosal from nearly all childhood vaccines. The DDS data do not support the hypothesis that exposure to thimerosal during childhood is a primary cause of autism.”

Critics say the premise of the study is wrong.

Rick Rollens tells IB News, “The conclusions in the study are flawed and premature, and does nothing to exonerate vaccines, particularly mercury containing vaccines, as a cause of California's autism epidemic," he said.

Rollens is the father of a 17-year-old son with autism.

He is also the co-founder of the University of California Davis M.I.N.D. Institute and a member of the California Legislative Blue Ribbon Commission on Autism, which helped craft a 2006 law in the state mandating that all of the mercury-based preservative be removed from childhood vaccines.

Not until Governor Schwarzenegger of California mandated the preservative be removed from childhood vaccines in December 2006 under penalty of law did the real recall begin, says Rollens.

Prior to that, a “formal request” was made by the American Academy of Pediatrics in 1999 to vaccine manufacturers “for a clear commitment and a plan to eliminate or reduce as expeditiously as possible the mercury content of their vaccines.”

And because no one can know for sure whether vaccine makers followed the “formal request,” Rollens says it’s too early to see any changes in autism rates. IB News posed the question to the California Department of Developmental Services about the premise of the study-that thimerosal was removed from vaccines by 2001.

Lea Brooks, a department spokesperson emailed IB News that “Exposure to mercury in vaccines was minimal at the time the law came into effect.”

Amy Carson of Moms Against Mercury says thimerosal stayed in vaccines because no one was checking.
“The story is so flawed for so many reasons” she tells IB News.

Carson’s son started spiraling downhill after his 12 month shots she says.

“When the law went into effect in California in December 2006, women and children under three were still receiving mercury containing vaccines. They still had vaccines up until the year of 2005 with expiration dates but the law didn’t come into effect until 2006.”

Records show that fearing an influenza vaccine shortfall, California as late as 2006, allowed that traditional thimerosal-preserved vaccines would be continued for all pregnant women and children under the age of three.

Rollens says no one knows how even “traces” of mercury found in thimerosal may impact a child’s developing nervous system. According to Carson, “There is zero tolerance for lead, why not thimerosal?” When asked to verify the premise of the study that the children in the data of his study were not exposed to thimerosal, Dr. Robert Schecter, who conducted the study provided a link to the CDC Web site.

The majority of children with autism enter California's developmental services system between the ages of 3 + and 9 years old.

Rollens says do the math.

"Today, those children born after the ban took effect are between 4 months old and one year of age. California's developmental services reporting system DOES NOT include children under the age of three years old," Rollens tells IB News It will not be clear what impact California's law banning mercury in vaccines has had on the rate of new cases of autism until at least 2009-2010 and later.”

“If by 2009-2010 there has not been ANY change in the rate of increase of new cases of autism entering California's developmental services system, then we can scratch mercury in vaccines off our list of agents contained in vaccines as a cause, and; then begin concentrating on the numerous other poisons and toxic agents in vaccines such as aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, live viruses, etc., and most importantly, the interaction of these and other toxic agents contained in the 34 doses of vaccines children receive from birth to two years old today he says.

Thimerosal is a neurotoxin that alters learning and social development. Autism is a chemical imbalance in the brain that affects more boys than girls. The cause remains a mystery. Today estimates are 1 in 150 children suffer from autism in the U.S.

The good news according to Rollens is that California’s reporting system is the “gold standard” for tracking autism, Asberger syndrome, cerebral palsy and other developmental disorders.

At a 2000 meeting of top government science and health officials, Robert Kennedy Jr. uncovered through a FOIA request some of the following comments about CDC research into the thimerosal-autism link:
“We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits,” says one participant “”The research results will have to be handled” says another and another says the research is,“statistically significant.”


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Which is one reason you are not credible.

But you are a barrel of laughs.

As noted my original post is from federal agency reporting system data bases, as can be easily verified.
And most of the hundreds of peer-reviewed studies that I've posted are found on National Institutue of Health, Library of Science, Medline.
And the information from the Autism Research Institute is from one of the longest standing and credible organizations dealing with the autism issues, and who interact with many of thousands of children and their parents with autism, and the doctors who treat them and have been attending the conferences to review the literature and clinical findings from the testing and treatment of these kids.
This issue won't be resolved without looking at the actual evidence and its credibility, and by testing and treating the kids affected based on the best known science and clinical experience.

There has been no credible comparible documentation presented that contradicts the information that I've posted here imo.
People who say so without providing specific evidence to the contrary are wasting post space. It would be good if everyone
takes some time and reads some of the "evidence" from both sides and reflects on the pros and cons of the evidence. Based on having seen huge amounts of studies and had much interactions with the kids and those treating them, I think its I'm unlikely that I'll be embarassed by future findings or revelations on these issues.

Why should I care if you take me seriously? You have no credibility. You have no intellectual honesty. You haven't got sense enough to to see how far out in left field you are. I would be apologizing to my peers if I ever said anything that you took seriously.

On the other hand, if YOU want to be taken seriously you need to get off of your high horse and listen to what you are being told.

vaccines with thimerosal and aluminum are extremely neurotoxic, and commonly cause significant neurological harm or death.

Aluminium and Mercury Synergisms
"We have demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of aluminium found in vaccines. The aluminium alone at this level is not demonstrated to be toxic, so it is enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely does this by increasing the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the toxic material"
-------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Chair and Head of Chemistry.......

Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Mercury on the Mind by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

"One publication showed that combining mercury and lead both at LD1 levels caused the killing rate to go to 100% or to an LD100 level (12). An LD1 level is where, due to the low concentrations, the mercury or the lead alone was not very toxic alone (i.e., killed less than 1% of rats exposed when metal were used alone). The 100% killing, when addition of 1% plus 1% we would expect 2%, represents synergistic toxicity. Therefore, mixing to non-lethal levels of mercury plus lead gave an extremely toxic mixture! What this proves is that one cannot define a “safe level of mercury” unless you absolutely know what others toxicants the individual is being exposed to. The combined toxicity of various materials, such as mercury, Thimerosal, lead, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc., is unknown. The effects various combinations of these toxicants would have is also not defined except that we know they would be much worse than any one of the toxicants alone. So how could the ADA take any exception, based on intellectual considerations, to my contention that combinations of Thimerosal and mercury could exacerbate the neurological conditions identified with autism and AD? Autism and AD have clinical and biological markers that correspond to those observed in patients with toxic mercury exposure. Why would the ADA take this position? I personally feel like I have been in a ten-year argument with the town drunk on this issue. Facts don’t count and data is only valid if it meets the pro-amalgam agenda......The synergistic effects of mercury with many of the toxicants commonly found in our environment make the danger unpredictable and possibly quite severe, especially any mixture containing elemental mercury, organic mercury and other heavy metal toxicants such as aluminum."--Boyd Haley
http://www.whale.to/m/haley.html

You posted a couple of posts on autism. I read them and the references you cited. I read the opposing points of view.

As a perfect stranger with three college degrees and no horse in this race I concluded that your ideas are bat-shit crazy.

You need to get out of your echo chamber and pay attention to some of the MANY people who are saying that your ideas are bat-shit crazy.

You have a large emotional investment in being right. But that is not enough. You have to have ideas that are NOT bat-shit crazy. Being associated with bat-shit crazy ideas ruins your credibility completely.

All I can say is "Don't light that fuse!"

looked at the evidence posted and spent some time at the Autism Research Institute site posted, where researchers have been following this subject for many years and have continuous interactions with the kids with autism, their parents, and the doctors who treat them. We have similar experience to their researchers and have attended some conferences and heard the MDs and researchers case who are dealing with this. For you to completely write off the experience and long research of those who have had the most experience on these things seems strange to me. I don't see any case made that trumps their years of research and experience.

the bat-shit crazy side.

Don't light that fuse!

Two Republicans were walking through the park one day when one of them reached out and stopped the other one. He said "Watch out!" and pointed to a pile of brown stuff in the path.

The second Republican said "That looks like dog shit."

He reached down and scooped some of it up in his hand and held it up to his nose. He said "It smells like dog shit too."

Then he licked his hand and said "It tastes like dog shit too. I'm sure glad I didn't step in it."

That reminded me of your web site. Only I didn't have to sniff and taste to know that I was dealing with dog shit. I recognize dog shit when I see it. And that has saved me a lot of sniffing and tasting.

:)

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If you really had some kind of case, you could present it. But you don't, so you name call in an attempt to bring down the subject of your derision to your level.

Your arguments have a paucity of fact and come across as ignorant and juvenile as evidenced by your name calling.

This thread reads as a bully calling in reinforcements to gang up on what they think is an easy target. They attack the messenger as they have very little to present as rebuttal to philb's thread starter.

The two posters replying to my post #15 did not address anything I posted either. I'm starting to think maybe some people posting to this thread have maybe escaped from the dark side to spread their mischief here as they have no facts to build a case with.

I scream at the coyote not to light the fuse on his Acme Rocket Powered Roller Skates, but he lights it anyway and I get a hearty laugh as he sails off the cliff.

That's how I see posts from poor philb. He just isn't quite bright enough to know that the fuse is his downfall. He doesn't recognize when he has been conned. He can't tell the difference between truth and fiction. So I laugh. It's just a cartoon to me.

And if he won't listen when I yell at him not to light that fuse, it just makes it funnier.

:rofl:

He/They post this crap over and over from the same couple websites and refuses to discuss anything. Just 'your studies are flawed, my information is correct.' We're tired of it so it's now just entertainment.

all I've posted comes from Gov't agencies or peer-reviewed medical studies or clinics and researchers testing and treating actual kids that have been affected by the conditions we are discussing here. I've given the reasons why studies I've suggested were flawed clearly don't meet the scientific methodology for proving that my hpothesis(which was stated on another post) is not true.
The requirements for determining the validity of a scientific argument are well known, and I've posted a separate thread on this.

It does you no good to simply say the peer-reviewed studies that I've posted are flawed without making a case or giving the reasons.
For any who are researchers here, it is your responsibility in the peer-review process to make comments to the peer-reviewed journal publishing the inaccurate, problematic study. Since this is a serious issue, I would think that someone would have done so by now. Of course the author then has a chance to defend his article.

While its true that many studies are published in peer-reviewed journals that are badly flawed and don't meet the requirements of the scientific methods in trying to document their case, (lots of people do studies these days who don't have a good understanding of statistical and scientific methods), no one has explained what is wrong with any of the very large number of such articles that I've posted.
Or demonstrated that they don't support exactly what I said they did.

But keep doing this to make us laugh. :rofl: Keep on lighting the fuse, going over the cliff, and coming back.

I hope cosmik debris doesn't mind me stealing his analogy.

Getting shot down over and over but still comes back with the same links and same websites. :rofl:

And he is a shameless dispenser of bogus medical advice.

Worse, he posts buckets and buckets of shit and then claims innocence, alleging that he's not giving advice, just information. That's the exact kind of bullshit tactic by which riots are incited.

"There's the monster over there," cries the shill. "Here are the torches and pitchforks. You know what to do!"


There is more harm in one of philb's bullshit posts than in 100 syringes full of mercury.

Here is another excellent current review on Autism and related neurodegenerative issues by one of our members.
http://healthtruthrevealed.com/full-page.php?id=10022231911&&page=article

Autism Can Be Treated
By: Dr. Carolyn Dean, MD, and Elissa MeiningerSource: http://www.newswithviews.comDecember 26, 2007

We are in the midst of a catastrophe. As of February 2007, the Centers For Disease Control (CDC) has admitted that there are at least 1.5 million children with autism in the U.S. affecting one in every 150 children and one out of 90 boys. Even these figures are probably too low and may not take into account the other categories being created to describe our increasingly challenged children. Pervasive developmental disorder, Asperger’s disorder are two other autism spectrum disorders that describe children with variants of autism. The incidence of ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) is one in ten children. As the saying goes, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that something is seriously wrong. Government health experts claims autism is an incurable disease offering anticonvulsant and psychotropic drugs to control behavior and a behavior modification therapy called “applied behavior analysis (ABA).” They dismiss all other means of helping these children as “unproven.” Meanwhile thousands of children are back to full functionality by treating the damage caused by mercury toxicity using natural health therapies. Our government’s slow and even deceptive response to this catastrophe is a major part of the problem parents of autistic children face. The CDC does not publicize the fact that in the 1970s only one in 10,000 children were diagnosed with autism, however, in the 1980s, this figure rose to one in every 2,500. Nor does it mention that the massive escalation of cases started in the 1990s coincided with the addition of several new vaccines to the compulsory childhood vaccination lists. Currently, every American child is expected to have 36 shots by the time they are six years old. The sudden 11-fold increase in neurobehavioral disorders of all kinds pointed to vaccines and most importantly, the mercury component (thimerosal) as the main culprit. The drug industry lobbied for laws that now protect them from liability should these government-mandated vaccines damage or kill any of the children required to take them.

You are progressing from bat-shit crazy to Tom Cruise crazy.

Don't light that fuse!

This is a right-wing religious fundie site.

'CRUSADOR ENTERPRISES is a Biblically rooted company with a Heavenly mandate to teach the world life-saving information regarding health, world events and spiritual matters'

They have a novel view on the topic of healthy eating:

'In fact, the concept of eating the right foods is so important to God that He wastes no time in the Bible instructing us on how to eat properly:

And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.” (Genesis 1:29)

The plot thickens when the first man and woman are further instructed and warned that eating improperly will cost them their lives:

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:16-17)

It is easy to deduce two very important points then from these familiar scriptures as well as several others in the Bible. First of all, God most definitely has ordained a perfect eating plan for human beings – one that, when followed properly, will give us health, vitality, strength, long life, and yes… even wisdom. Secondly, eating the wrong foods can lead to unnecessary illnesses and even a premature death'

Moreover they support Ron Paul against the Democrats, and the site includes the following progressive gem about healthcare:

'Universal Health Care Coverage will be implemented and all health care will become radically socialized and strictly regulated by the federal government. Under a democratic administration coverage will also include abortions and possibly stem cell therapy and gender alterations. In addition, the 50 million plus illegal Mexicans and foreigners now living in the U.S. will be allowed free access to the system with preferential treatment over natural born, taxpaying U.S. citizens'


The site also advertises various health products, including a supposed 'all-in-one anti-aging product', which brings its objectivity into serious question.

I used to think that vax'es were a bad idea in little kids. I didn't get my youngest vax'd til he was over 1. I believed the junk and the hype because it seemed like it must be true- after all, I'd read it on the internet in multiple sites.

Then I started reading the responses to philb and I realised how dangerous it was not to get his vax'es on time. We're all caught up now and I'm thankful that I didn't end up with a child killed by Pertussis, left blind from Measles or crippled from Polio. I know better now, and I appreciate getting real education on the subject instead of exaggerated fearmongering and dangerous misinformation.

Please keep responding to this nutjob and educating parents like me who really just want what's really best for our families. philb's crap is just going to kill kids.

for realizing where the truth lies and protecting your children. Those "usual childhood diseases" often had devastating consequences instead of being mere inconveniences due to quarantine requirements.

I was in a coma for a week from measles encephalitis. One of my playmates died from it. I was six and there was no vaccine yet. Babies who are too young to get the Dpt vaccine die from pertussis every year. Toddlers who get it and have better survival odds take two years or more to recover from it. Diphtheria and tetanus, the other two components, have very high fatality rates, especially among children.

This is what the antivax hysterics want to return us to. This is why so many of us post the facts on this board when a certain poster shows up with his reams of rubbish. Some of us lived the alternative. We're here to remind you that antivaccination people are the nuts, not people who want to protect children from going through what we did.

I will be eternally grateful when the powers that be recognize this fact and take the rubbish off this board and send it to the group it truly belongs in.

Here's proof for ya, as I already posted.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/archive/sids_faq.htm#4


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#dtpsids


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#dtpsids


http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=10649

all right people. philb is totally correct. DO NOT vaccinate your children. They will be just fine. Vaccination is bad. Please listen to Philb...


at least we can solve the planet's energy crisis if we work hard to increase the childhood mortality rate. three cheers for polio.

We've tried addressing philb's arguments - we really have. We've called him out on his shoddy research, his crappy citations, his non-sequitur arguments, and his fallacious appeals to authority. He doesn't really respond, though. He will write a post, sure, but it is as if he doesn't really address any of the charges that are leveled at him - he just keeps repeating that he has "hundreds of thousands of cites" except that he doesn't. Many of the citations that he does have are from non-scientific sources, are terribly outdated, having nothing to do with the claims that he makes, or are taken out of context.

He is not interested in discussion. Why should we be?

If seeing hundreds and thousands of kids suffering and dying from diseases that are preventable with vaccines doesn't change your mind, then your just not human.

Go to Egypt. Visit the rural areas of India. Go to shanty towns in South America. See this shit with your own eyes. You are insulated and ignorant and need some experience.

The big problems are poverty, lack of jobs, malnutrition, etc. This makes them more susceptible to major harm by vaccines that have high levels of toxic ingredients. I've seen some info on that, but haven't studied it.

And I could post documentation that there has been widespread harm in such areas from dangerous viruses contaminating the vaccines they received. Just like 30 % of the U.S. soldiers in the first Iraq war got mycoplasma related contaminants and high mercury levels in vaccines, resulting in Gulf War Illness(ALS, MS, CFS, FM, etc.) in a huge part of the soldiers, and also in their family and pets and neighbors who were infected by the biotermized mycoplasma contaminant.
See Dr. Garth Nicholson's site and etc. here are some I found by search after starting with Dr. Nicholson's site. Someone in my family had a condition that his clinic treats.

Biowarfare - Gulf War Illness. (for peer reviewed medical journal studies, see: www.immed.org)
GWI http://www.all-natural.com/riley.html
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

Mycoplasma as Biological Weapon www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/mycoplasma.html
http://www.bariumblues.com/mycoplasma_nexus.htm
Experiments Conducted in Texas Prisons www.whale.to/m/mycoplasma5.html
www.garynull.com/Documents/Arthritis/Mycoplasma_Experiments.htm
www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00022322.htm
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm



Show me some evidence that vaccines have made a big difference in world conditions, comparable to the big issues that I note. I haven't done research on this but what I've seen says that health standards were improving before mass vaccination, and improved in areas that got vaccines and areas that didn't. but I haven't denied that some vaccines may be more benefit than harm.

But I do think the case is very strong that millions have been harmed by vaccines, some killed, large numbers seriously injured, and large numbers affected for life. I think the evidence is clear and will become more so that many vaccines have done caused a lot more harm than benefit.

Does anyone know of a solid balanced study that makes a good case that most vaccines have more benefit than harm. I've posted the studies that I've found by google search and they basically conclude that many vaccines caused more harm than benefit.

You even think about going to those areas without vaccines for Hep, Malaria and Tetanus, your fucking braver than I am. Look, I don't come to these forums very often, and I don't know who the hell you are, but if the above posts any indication, it doesn't matter what evidence I fucking show you.

"Balanced study showing vaccines have more benefits"

You gotta be fucking with me.

The only vaccine that would have been of any use in the part of West Africa I served in was tetanus. Three children died of tetanus while I was there, in a village of less than 1000 people. But some idiotic WHO program went around vaccinating all the children for measles using two or three needles without cleaning them in between for all of the children. Yes, and then threw the needles on the side of the road so the kids played with them afterwords. Yet another source of tetanus. There is no cure for tetanus, btw. And no cure for idiocy either.

The Health Worker Peace Cops Volunteers where outraged but could do nothing.

There is plenty of lunacy in the world. Measles instead of tetanus? But some functionaire got funding from somewhere. And you think AIDs wasn't being spread by using the same needle on all these children? This was in 1979.

Also add diptheria and meningitis.

And what does the fuck-ups of a bunch of idiots have to do with my post above? You've been to Africa...I'm sure you've seen some ugly shit. God knows I have in SA. You don't honestly think, like the other poster, that sanititation (although important) is the only reason we don't see diseases like polio and small pox and measles as often here as we do in third world countries?

But vaccines have been a monumental addition to the world of public health (IMO). And my life personally. I once worked on a vaccine for ticks (it didn't get too far). And my dogs get rattlesnake venom vaccines (I want them, too).

I however do not believe that it is reasonable to make claims that there are no problems associated with vast public health campaigns utilizing vaccines.

I can think of lots of issues that never get posted in these threads.

I have 4 cousins who are RN's and one who is a Pediatricians. None of them vaccinated their kids at 2 months for god's sake. All waited until they were over 6 months old and spread the vaccines out over years and gave them doses according to the child's actual weight (all were breastfed and not in day care).

So, I see flaws in pretending that all is well with using vaccines as currently recommended. I see problems in using public health resources in the developed world to eradicate diseases that are not so lethal (measles for instance) instead of making sure that all people are protected from the truly lethal ones (tetanus, polio, I am sure that you can add a few that you see there). But these are my opinions and worth nothing, really.

I just wanted to answer your post. I like your posts as they bring the rest of the world to us a bit here. Thank you.

I worked with a group at NIH doing clinical trials on malaria vaccines in Mali. Now THAT is a threat that needs to be taken care of, especially in children. One of the vaccines they are looking at would actually not technically protect the person vaccinated but would kill the parasite in the mosquito. So each time that person was bit...Theoretically a small amount of vaccinated people could wipe out malaria in a wide area.
Thought you would appreciate that.

Thanks for your work and the post.

When you said a vaccine for ticks I assume you mean a vaccine for a tick borne illness? I got a visual of trying to vaccinate ticks which was kind of funny. I was curious if it was Lyme disease.

It turns out that the hard ticks (the most common ones found on dogs and cattle) attach themselves to the skin of their host with a glue. After the glue sets then they are able to bite and suck the blood of the host. That's why all these silly stories about burning ticks to get them to stop biting are ridiculous. They are attached once glued for about a week and they cannot get out of the glue until it dissolves either.

Some mammals (rabbits in particular) are able to defend themselves from subsequent tick attachments with an immune response. Ticks are unable to settle down and place their glue after only one previous feeding. So, the idea was to try to induce this immunity in other mammals who suffer from ticks (cattle and dogs to name a few). But the antigen appeared to be fluids produced by the tick's salivary glands, something out of reach technologically in the mid 70's. Later I heard of a post doc working on tissue culture of tick salivary glands with the hope of being able to produce enough antigen for reliable production. But that was in the early 80's.

I have never heard of anyone working on it since.

This was all before Lyme disease was discovered. I wonder if anyone will ever pick this back up. It was amazing as the ticks would simply wander on the host for hours, not even try to attach and then drop off looking for a more attractive host.

I didn't know about the 'glue.' Pretty cool.

You put measles in a population with bad sanitation and lack of access to medical care, I'm sure it would be a pretty big deal. Measles are not lethal here, but they certainly can be in other places.

Tetanus is 100% lethal. No treatment. The vaccine is the only way to prevent death.

I am sure it can be important, I just would like to see the most treacherous disease vaccines made available worldwide to people prior to the less treacherous ones. I grew up in the days when everyone got the measles and it was just normal. And polio was making it's rounds and my cousin was left partially paralyzed. We all wanted a way to protect ourselves from polio, not the measles. But I bet if my cousin had been blinded by the measles I may be writing something very different here. It is all so subjective, really.

Kill more people than anything else on the planet. And NO sanitation can avoid this, since those BIG THREE are in this country too. Just not as bad, because we are subtropical.
I know people who work in Africa on this.
Whats your claim to fame? Argumentum ad rectum?

Don't light that match. The amount of methane generated by the loads of bullshit he posts could cause a serious explosion!!!
:rofl:

That's a horse not a bull.

it was coming out of the south end of a northbound bull.

:rofl:

BTW--SIDS is most likely a RESPIRATORY PROBLEM:
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Stomach sleeping. Foremost among these risk factors is stomach sleeping. Numerous studies have found a higher incidence of SIDS among babies placed on their stomachs to sleep than among those sleeping on their backs or sides. Some researchers have hypothesized that stomach sleeping puts pressure on a child's jaw, therefore narrowing the airway and hampering breathing.

Another theory is that stomach sleeping can increase an infant's risk of "rebreathing" his or her own exhaled air, particularly if the infant is sleeping on a soft mattress or with bedding, stuffed toys, or a pillow near the face. In that scenario, the soft surface could create a small enclosure around the baby's mouth and trap exhaled air. As the baby breathes exhaled air, the oxygen level in the body drops and carbon dioxide accumulates. Eventually, this lack of oxygen could contribute to SIDS.

Also, infants who succumb to SIDS may have an abnormality in the arcuate nucleus, a part of the brain that may help control breathing and awakening during sleep. If a baby is breathing stale air and not getting enough oxygen, the brain usually triggers the baby to wake up and cry. That movement changes the breathing and heart rate, making up for the lack of oxygen. But a problem with the arcuate nucleus could deprive the baby of this involuntary reaction and put him or her at greater risk for SIDS.

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http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sleep/sids.html


Trying to drum up more "victims" for your group are you?

:rofl:

I am the parent of an autistic child. What am I supposed to do with all the information you post?

Please, just do nothing with the garbage he posts.

I wanted to see what he would say. I assure you, my family and I are more than satisfied with the progress made with the ABA program. Interesting, isn't it, that his recommendation is to a yahoo group, eh?

They share info on problems, tests, treatments and virtually all children are improving. The parents share their test results,
protocols they are using to deal with detoxing their kids from the high mercury and toxic metals exposures, with dealing with the blocked enzymatic processes, digestive and intestinal problems. And their kids are virtually all improving.

Go to www.yahoo.com and click on yahoogroups

search for autism mercury or chelatingkids2


suggested groups that I've followed are autism-mercury, very big group with lots of information and kids making progress

or chelatingkids2 likewise a big group of parents using somewhat different detoxification protocol but kids are making progress.
You'll learn a lot there, much not about mercury. You know the kids have a lot of problems, but with the right treatment most get better and do ok or well in school.
Many have progressed from special ed to gifted ed, but may still have some social issues.

How ya doin'? Still waving the ole "vaccines are EVUL" banner, huh?

inaccurate and down right crazy medical information.

this is just :crazy:

Every single case of SIDS and autism has been linked to being incubated in a uterus! You can't deny this strong correlation! Congress must ban gestation in utero to stop the death of our kids!!!!

Vaccine Induced Demyelination (or other mercury source)
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-demyelination.htm

Myelination is an essential part of human brain development. Nerves can only conduct pulses of energy efficiently if covered by myelin. Like insulation on an electric wire, the fatty coating of myelin keeps the pulses confined and maintains the integrity of the electrical signal so that it has a high signal-to-noise ratio. When the insulation on a wire is damaged or destroyed, the flow of electrical current may be interrupted and a short-circuit occurs.
Oligodendrocyte cells give white matter its color by manufacturing myelin. If myelin falls into disrepair, nerve axons cease to function, even though they themselves aren't damaged. Protecting oligodendrocytes after brain or spinal cord injury might keep nerve cells intact.
At birth, relatively few pathways have myelin insulation. Myelination in the human brain continues from before birth until at least 20 years of age. Up until the age of 10 or so, vast areas of the cortex are not yet myelinated. Up to the age of 20, large areas of the frontal lobes are not yet myelinated.1
Myelination begins in the developmentally oldest parts of the brain, like the brain stem, moving to the areas of the nervous system that have developed more recently, like the prefrontal lobe and cortex. Myelin spreads throughout the nervous system in stages, which vary slightly in each individual. Impairment of myelination can alter neural communication without necessarily causing severe CNS (central nervous system) damage.
The prefrontal portions of the cerebrum have a profound influence on human behavior.2 If an individual is injected with vaccines,most of which have adjuvants like mercury and aluminum compounds, as well as foreign proteins (some from other species in which the vaccines were grown) and biological organisms, unprotected nerves may be impacted. The argument for a role of vaccines in the development of autistic disorders hinges on these biological effects upon nerves, damaging them in a way that influences behavior and learning patterns.
The argument for adjuvants evoking an auto-immune response does not hinge on any inherent neuro-toxicity of these compounds, but on the initiation of an allergic response.
The model by which adjuvants initiate an immune response is that of Experimental Allergic Encephalomyelitis (EAE). To date, EAE is recognized as the best available animal model of several degenerative human diseases, like multiple sclerosis and post-vaccinal encephalopathies. EAE3 is generally thought to be an autoimmune response to myelin basic protein (MBP). Oddly, MBP can also suppress EAE, and many observations suggest that an independent immune response to so-called "adjuvant" material is also necessary to EAE induction. Of course, this is why adjuvants are used in vaccines, to dramatically increase the likelihood of an immune response to the administered biological material.
Thus, EAE may be a result of a pair of interactive immune responses, one against MBP, and one against the adjuvant. If so, the adjuvant should, like MBP, suppress EAE. Root-Bernstein, et al. (1986) presented data from experiments on strain 13 guinea pigs demonstrating EAE suppression by muramyl dipeptide, an active component of complete Freund's adjuvant. In the past, adjuvants have only been classified as immunopotentiators, not immunosuppressants. Apparently, adjuvants are both. This study strengthens the argument that adjuvants may be crucial to initiating an auto-immune response leading to post-vaccine neurological symptoms.


References
1. Edwards KM, Meade BD, Decker MD, et al. Comparison of 13 acellular pertussis vaccines: overview and serologic responses. Pediatrics 1995;96:548-57.

2. Orenstein WA, Brugliera PD. Preface: Immunization in medical education. Am J Prev Med 1994; 10(suppl):v-viii.

3. Root-Bernstein RS; Yurochko F; Westall FC. Clinical suppression of experimental allergic encephalomyelitis by muramyl dipeptide "adjuvant". Brain Res Bull, 17: 4, 1986 Oct, 473-6.
Auto-Immunity, Vaccines and Autism
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-auto-immunity.htm#auto

Mercury & autoimmune conditions: MS/Lupus/Thyroiditis/Eczema

The following National Library of Medicine abstracted article documents that most autoimmune conditions like Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Lupus (SLE), Thyroiditis, etc. are commonly caused by mercury from dental amalgam, and replacement of dental amalgam brings about cure or significant improvement in the majority of cases. This has similarly been demonstrated in other clinics and studies.

The beneficial effect of amalgam replacement on health in patients with autoimmunity. Prochazkova J, Sterzl I, Kucerova H, Bartova J, Stejskal VD; Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2004 Jun;25(3):211-8.
http://www.nel.edu/pdf_/25_3/NEL250304A07_Prochazkova_.pdf

Results of lymphocyte reactivity measured with MELISA indicate that in vitro reactivity after the replacement of dental amalgam decreased significantly to inorganic mercury, silver, organic mercury and lead.
All 6 patients with MS showed significant improvement in health.

Out of 15 patients with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) 11 (73%) had improvement of health.

Out of 8 patients with autoimmune thyroiditis 6 showed significant improvement in health (75%).

5 patients undergoing amalgam replacement had atopic eczema for which other studies have found more diverse factors in autoimmunity causes. 3 out of 5 of these patients had significant improvement in condition (60%).
Of the patients that did not have evidence of significant improvement, most tested immune reactive to nickel and the autoimmunity measure was not improved at the end of the study. For those whose condition was worse, the autoimmunity measure for nickel was higher at the end of the study- indicating that amalgam replacement did not resolve the source of nickel exposure.

The mechanisms by which mercury causes autoimmune conditions like MS, SLE, autoimmune thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, Parkinson’s, etc. is documented by hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and in thousands of people who have recovered after amalgam filling replacement and detoxification.
http://www.flcv.com/ms.html

I was eating a muffin and horked crumbs all over my desk because of that!!

There is a lot of medical study and clinical case/treatment clinic test documentation that prenatal and neonatal toxic metal exposures are common causes of autism and other neurological conditions, with vaccines playing a significant part in these exposures. www.flcv.com/kidshg.html
The studies being promoted here to the contrary do not have carefully constructed data bases and did not measure levels of toxic metals that have been documented by medical studies and treatment clinics in autistic children- such as mercury, mercury thimerosal, aluminum, lead, arsenic, antimony, etc. The treatment clinics and studies continue to find high levels of these.
Lots of vaccines still have thimerosal. Contrary to what public is being told and studies assuming and claiming. See attached. And some vaccine lots in vaccines that now have no thimerosal were being used as late as 2004.
also, modern high copper amalgams cause more than 20 times as much mercury and copper release as the older "silver fillings". Mom's dental amalgams have been found to be a significant source of mercury in the fetus and in infants.
www.flcv.com/amalg6.html
www.flcv.com/fetaln.html
Rhogam shots have high mercury levels which has been documented to increase autism rates significantly. Large numbers of pregnant women get these shots which also affect their children. www.flcv.com/autismhg.html
Also there has been a big marketing campaign to increase the number of pregnant women and infants receiving flu shots which contain high levels of thimerosal.
In recent years with more vaccines prescribed, children have gotten higher levels of aluminum, since high levels are in most vaccines. Aluminum has well documented adverse neurological effects and also doubles the toxicity of thimerosal.
www.flcv.com/vaxalum.html
It has been documented that even small amounts of thimerosal can adversely affect children and adults who are immune reactive to it. Immune reactivity of thimerosal has been documented to be a mechinism of autism causality, and a significant percentage of infants and adults are immune reactive to thimerosal. www.melisa.org
The same is true for aluminum and formaldehyde, significant numbers of infants are immune reactive to alunimum or formaldehyde or other ingredients in vaccines, and vaccines have high levels of such.
www.melisa.org

Because of high exposures from “modern amalgams”, dental amalgam is the largest source of mercury in sewers in the U.S. and a major source in water bodies and fish. The average person with several amalgams excretes into sewers appoximately 30 micrograms of mercury per day, exposures far above health guidelines and resulting high high levels of mercury in all sewers and sewer sludge. Because of methylation of mecury in sewer sludge by soil bacteria and outgasing of mercury when the sun shines along with high mercury emissions from crematoria dental amalgams, the high levels of mercury in amalgam also are a significant source of air mercury emissions.
www.flcv.com/damspr2f.html

Vaccine Brand Name
(click on the brand name for package insert) Manufacturer Thimerosal Concentration1 Mercury mcg/0.5 ml
DTaP
Tripedia
sanofi pasteur *
*

DTaP-Hib TriHIBit
sanofi pasteur *
*

DTwP All Products .01% 25
DT Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids Adsorbed USP
multi-dose sanofi pasteur .01% 25
single dose *
*

Td DECAVAC
sanofi pasteur *
*

Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Adsorbed
sanofi pasteur *
*

Tetanus Toxoid Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed USP
sanofi pasteur .01% 25
Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed Adult Use
.01% 25
Booster
.01% 25
Hep A-B Twinrix
GlaxoSmithKline *
*

Influenza 2007/8 Formula Fluarix
GlaxoSmithKline *
*

FluLaval
GlaxoSmithKline .01% 25
Fluvirin
Novartis .01% 24.5
Fluzone
5 mL vial sanofi pasteur .01% 25
MENOMUNE-A/C/Y/W-135
multi-dose sanofi pasteur .01% 25
single dose *
*

1. A concentration of 1:10,000 is equivalent to a 0.01% concentration. Thimerosal is approximately 50% Hg by weight. A 1:10,000 concentration contains 25 micrograms of Hg per 0.5 mL.
2. A previously marketed lyophilized preparation contained 0.005% thimerosal.

* This product should be considered equivalent to thimerosal-free products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<0.3 mcg) of mercury left after post-production thimerosal removal; these amounts have no biological effect. JAMA 1999;282(18) and JAMA 2000;283(16).

The fact that all of the credible science, as well as all of the clinical experience, of thousands of kids tested and treated by MDs treating the condition, with hundreds of thousands of tests supports what I say.
No one can provide credible documentation that anything that I've said here is not true and accurate.
And that won't change. I'm still waiting but we've had enough personal experience as well as reviewing all of the peer-review studies abstracted in NIH Medline. I'm reasonably sure not only that the science clearly supports what I say, but there there will never be any credible evidence to the contrary.

What do you disagree with that I just posted. Is the reason for the silly pictures that you can't make a creible case that what I said is innacurate or not ture?

evidence to the contrary, the only thing you can do is post silly pictures and silly remarks.
But you haven't proved anything, and you can't. All in my post is documented by credible science, and much supported by Gov't agency information, and all of the clinical evidence from children treated and tested supports what I say, including Autism Assoc. survey of many thousands of parents, and the opinion of the doctors treating them. Seems you have a real problem overcoming the fact that the science and clinical experience support what I say.
So you resort to sillyness.

I ask again, what credible evidence do you have that the peer-reviewed study references I just posted are problematic or inaccurate. If it was there would be a responsibility that the problems be pointed out in comments to the journal that published them. But if someone tried, the author gets to respond and since the studies are solid, so no one has bothered.

Likewise with the clinical evidence. The Autism treatment center doctors who compiled this information have treated thousands of kids and done tens of thousands of tests from medical labs, that are a mattter of record and support what they say. They know by personal experience with thousands of patients and tests that the studies are accurate. I've also posted the results of the treatment of this kids. The fact that they had extremely high levels of mercury and other metals when tested, which under treatment declined while their conditions significantly improved is further evidence of the clear case. As I've noted, we've interacted with these parents and clinics for over 10 years.
There is no chance that I'm wrong. And you will never be able to make a credible case to the contrary.
Play all the games that you like.

You live in an echo chamber where the only thing you hear is your own voice.

and the vast majority of science is on my side, and the points I make supported by the science.
The researchers I depend on have as much background in the science as anyone else out there, and have reviewed more of the
science and interacted with more clinical cases than anyone any of you knows. That is not going to change.
Much of what I say here is agreed to by Gov't agencies or Gov't agency studies are the reference used.
The fact that one can also find someone who will say something to the contrary is also well known. But there is no credible science or clinical experience that could support their case.

As noted, the effects of mercury are not just autism, but most chronic autoimmune conditions, I've provided documentation of the mechanisms by which mercury causes not only autism, as confirmed by autoimmune tests of medical labs, but also of most other autoimmune conditions. And again similar clinical evidence and hundreds of thousands of medical lab tests supports that as well.

And and U.S. EPA and the Assoc. of Muninicipal Sewer Agencies have documented the high mercury exposures that I referenced, along with similar results from the medical labs, whose test results indicate the same thing and can be found on their web site, as I also referenced. This is also confirmed by U.S. DOH, as also referenced.
So the medical studies and clinical experience are consistent showing adverse effects from high exposures to mercury and toxic metals, and the fact that not only autistic kids but other patients with chronic conditions have high exposures far above gov't health guidelines has been confirmed by both medical tests and Gov't agency info. And again, the patient support organization that I work with has documentation on over 60,000 clinical cases of recovery from over 30 chronic conditions have mercury and metals detox. www.flcv.com/hgremove.html
Others and the medical doctors treating such conditions have much more documentation than we do.
There is no documentation to the contrary. If you know of some please produce it.

Most countries with advanced science and medical systems have either banned mercury in medicine and dentistry because of the overwhelming evidence, or are in the process of banning it or severely limiting use, with warnings already required.
Some states in the U.S. have either required such warnings or in the process of banning use, and likewise the U.S Gov't is in process. This will soon occur, as the scientific and medical case is clear. Overwhelming scientific and clinical case evidence. There is agreement that mercury is the 2nd most toxic element after uranium, the EPA drinking water standard is 2 parts per billion, and EPA scientist have confirmed that this is not low enough to protect all in the public.
Or to prevent high levels in fish in water bodies that sewers empty into, or into the air from emissions from sewer sludge and crematoria at dangerous levels. The Oak Ridge National Laboratory has confirmed the latter, as I refernced.
The daily mercury health exposure limit is about 4 micrograms per day for both EPA and U.S. DOH. And less for some other countries. But the daily exposure levels these kids and the other patients of other conditions have been documented here to be extremely higher than these levels, and thousands of peer-reviewed medical studies and clincial cases that document harm are reference on the URLs that I've cited.
What do you disagree with? I can cite a lot more Gov't agency doc. and medical studies on any of this if you like, We're very familiar with both the medical study lit. and Gov't agency documentation. This is the source of most of what I've cited here.
Where is your evidence to the contrary?
Are you suggesting there is evidence that there has been found to be a safe level of mercury exposure, and that these kids or others with chronic conditions didn't get enough exposure to cause harm. I don't think you can find support for that. For any level of exposure, its possible to document some level of harm. that has been done and confirmed by Gov't agency findings.
As I've noted, the effects aren't the same on all but all are adversely affected if they get exposure. But those who are susceptible, are the ones most affected and who get chronic conditions like autism and MS and Lupus and Thyroiditis and etc. due to immune reactivity (see above) or due to having a blood alelle type APOE-4 who can't excrete toxic metals.
This also is well doc. in the med. lit and by clinical experience: www.flcv.com/suscept.html
And its known that millions are in these categories.
Do you disagree? How so?

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for Canada and 53 times EPA standard in one vaccination?
If not, explain why? Play games if you like but my doc. is accurate. Show me what's not.

Mercury is the second most toxic element and has been found to be extremely neurotoxic and immunotoxic, and according to EPA is in the top 3 toxics adversely affecting the public(mercury,lead,arsenic)(3). Infants have been found to be much more susceptible to harm from toxic exposures due to undeveloped brain/neurological system and immune system.


The tolerable daily exposure level for mercury developed in a report for Health Canada is .014 micrograms/kilogram body weight(ug/kg) (2) (0.064 micrograms per day for 10 pound infant)

The EPA health reference guideline for methyl mercury is 0.1 ug/kg body weight per day (1) (0.454 micrograms per day for a 10 pound infant)

Many vaccines are known to have contained approx. 25 micrograms of thimerosal per shot and some still do. It has been estimated that if all of the vaccines recommended by the American Assoc. of Pediatrics were given and contained thimerosal, then by age 6 months an infant would have received 187 micrograms of ethyl mercury(4), which is much more than the EPA health standard for organic mercury(1).

Thus the typical vaccination contained 390 times as much mercury as the Canadian tolerable daily exposure level for a 10 pound infant, and 53 times as much mercury as the EPA health reference guideline. Its not surprising that such extreme exposure levels did significant harm to large numbers of infants. This is especially so for those with susceptibilities such as immune reactivity or inability to excrete mercury (and aluminum). (5) As the federal VAERS data base shows, many were killed and as other documentation shows large numbers more of those most susceptable had significant harm(6). These children have also been found to have been exposed to high levels of other toxic metals such as lead, arsenic, antimony, aluminum, etc. which added to the neurotoxic exposure.

References:
(1) U.S. Environmental Protection Agency(EPA), 1999, "Integrated Risk Information System, National Center for Environmental Assessment,Cincinnati, Ohio. www.asmalldoseof.org/toxicology/mercury.php
(2) Mark Richardson, Environmental Health Directorate,Health Canada, Assessment of Mercury Exposure and Risks from Dental Amalgam, 1995, Final Report.
(3) ATSDR/EPA Priority List for 2003: Top 20 Hazardous Substances, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry,U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, www.atsdr.cdc.gov/clist.html
(4) Halsey, NA. Limiting Infant Exposure to Thimerosal in vaccines. J. of the Amer. Medical Assoc., 282: 1763-66. Nov 1999
(5) www.flcv.com/suscept.html
(6) www.flcv.com/kidshg.html & www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html

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It is my opinion that you are a delusional nut job. All you do is repeat yourself and the foolish ideas that have been throughly discredited and rejected by the mainstream medical profession.

It is my opinion that you don't know you ass from a hole in the ground; that you believe only those things that you wish were true; that you reject any idea that conflicts with your prejudice; that you are so narrow minded that when you turn sideways you are invisible.

Williams PG and others. A controlled study of mercury levels in hair samples of children with autism as compared to their typically developing siblings. Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders (in press), 2007. Although autism has no logical association with mercury toxicity or other heavy metal exposure, oral and topical chelation therapy are being used to treat autism after evaluation of hair, blood, or urine samples for heavy metal toxicity. In this study, hair samples were obtained from 15 children ages 2 to 6 with autism and 16 of their nonautistic siblings in the same age range. No significant differences in mercury levels were found between the two groups. This study is strong evidence against the notion that mercury toxicity causes autism.

I know you won't believe this because are closed minded to any study that does not confirm your prejudice, but there it is ni black and white.


That was a controlled study, not a survey of pet owners.

We all know that nothing is scientifically sound unless you have a bunch of links to conspiracy and vitamin selling sites. And don't forget the message board anecdotes!

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