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sfpcjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:14 PM Original message |
Hospital Infection Problem Persists - NY Times |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. With The Potential For 30 Million More People Getting Health Insurance...... |
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tiptoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. "...do everything they can for infection control/prevention." Anyone can take care, like Kaiser |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. So, what this is saying, is going to the hospital is likely to make you really sick, if not dead. nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh, absolutely. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. What this says is that sometimes that is true. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. LOL |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. And an understanding of statistics and risk is seriously lacking in America today. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I have degrees in Math and Computer Science, I understand statistics just fine. nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Clearly you don't. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It happened to my brother twice, one year apart. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I am sorry for your brother, but that is an anecdote, not statistics. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "Likely" is not a statistical claim. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. OK then, define "substantial probability" and show how the numbers back that up. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It is not a statistical term. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. PS: if you go look up "probability" you will sooner or later run into "likely" or "likelihood". nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. So you give up then, huh? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Here. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. LOL |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Doesn't 100,000 deaths a year seem like "a lot" to you? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Of course it does, and it is terribly nasty of you to insinuate I don't care about human life. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yeah, we sure would not want to be nasty would we? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. All I did was ask you to back up what you said. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. All I did was point out a seemingly minor deficiency in your English skills. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm going to try and pull this back from your personal attack spiral one last time. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I assume you know that not every such infection leads to death? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. So you admit that you didn't know the numbers at all? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Well, I must say I envy your vivid imagination. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Sure, I'll take that as your concession. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Dang, here I thought it was more "viciousness". nt |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Very expensive too ... nt |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. And I'm the reincarnation of Paracelsus. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Whom is it you want to insult? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Oh, my goodness. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Well, heck, have some more. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. There are no statistics involved here. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Yup |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. "Not most" means it's not likely. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 06:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. This reminds me of Semmelweis. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. It's called being concerned about accuracy. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Stick with that line of "debate", it's a real winner. nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Do you care about using accurate facts? |
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